Should the Adelaide Oval redevelopment go ahead?

[Hondo]

i think thats why from what i have read on here the AFL people who are for this are more 'agressive' in their point of views because they feel threatened in that they dont really have a impact on this decision.

There's 2 misjudgments here and you used both on me last time which was unfair.

1- not everyone who is for the redevelopment is an "AFL person". They have that view as a resident of the state and for me moreso I am a "football and cricket in SA" person.

2 - it's not a matter of someone feeling "threatened" because they don't have a vote. It's moreso concerned that those that do have a vote make themselves as informed as possible even if that means going outside of their prejudged position. This is why I was encouraging SACA members to visit the SMA and have a look. Not to pressure them into a yes vote but to ensure they don't lapse into a no vote out of laziness or apathy.

Having said that, I expect some non-SACA will be angry if they feel the SACA members are not using their vote power fairly or haven't informed themselves. There are many stakeholders in this redevelopment and 20,000 SACA members are only one yet circumstances have given them the final say.

[Royal City]

Sorry for the continued posts, im just trying to get a grasp of the situation.

What would be the benefits of the currently proposed re-developed Adelaide Oval for SACA Members who have nothing more than a passing interest in AFL football?

• SACA would be financially better off with not having to run the stadium on it's own.
• A larger stadium with better facilities
• An even better atmosphere for Australian games with larger crowds also for 20/20 games
• More undercover seating

I am not a SACA member so a couple of questions, what are the current benefits for SACA members, why do you buy memberships and how often do you attend the venue?

This summer we received about 40 days of state/international cricket , 2 soccer games and some members received free Kings Of Leon tickets. And access to events held at Adelaide Oval over 12 months of the year for $400.

Under the new plan we get access for 5 months of the year and the proposed cost will be $500-

Eventhough it is reported from April to October we dont use the oval . This is the upcoming event schedule for Adelaide OVal usage just for the months of April to May that are free for saca members currently.


International Rugby Sevens Adelaide
02 Apr 2011

SANFL - Sturt v Norwood
08 Apr 2011

SANFL - Eagles v Sturt
15 Apr 2011

SANFL - Central Districts v Norwood
25 Apr 2011

SANFL - North Adelaide v Norwood
13 May 2011

SANFL - Sturt v Glenelg
20 May 2011

Copied from the redeveloped website.

SACA membership options

The current rights of existing SACA members will be retained at a redeveloped Adelaide Oval with SACA members entitled to access all domestic and international cricket and SANFL matches played at the Oval as they are now. In addition, existing SACA members will have the opportunity to nominate to take up a new membership product that will entitle them to access all cricket, SANFL and AFL matches played at Adelaide Oval.

Existing members can choose to stay as they are:

So we lose free access to Rugby Sevens, Adelaide United, KOL/Pearl Jam concert tickets plus losing access to the oval for 7 months. And as SACA members have to travel to AAMI stadium to access our free SANFL games(i believe sanfl games are being moved out to AAMI).

And I get to pay an extra $100 a year for the loss of these privileges.

Not a great deal for SACA members IMHO. And knowing SACA members would have to approve this. I honestly thought theyd package this better for us.

Sorry using Soccer gets bigger crowds at Adelaide Oval than Hindmarsh can not be used as proof more people will go to Adelaide Oval for AFL.

SANFL gets its biggest crowds of the year at Footy Park every year. That cant be used as proof if we moved all our games to footy park the crowds would come on mass.

[D14]

So we lose free access to Rugby Sevens, Adelaide United, KOL/Pearl Jam concerts plus losing access to the oval for 7 months. And get to pay an extra $100 a year for the loss of these privileges.

Not a great deal for SACA members IMHO.

Sorry using Soccer gets bigger crowds at Adelaide Oval than Hindmarsh can not be used as proof more people will go to Adelaide Oval for AFL.

SANFL gets its biggest crowds of the year at Footy Park every year. That cant be used as proof if we moved all our games to footy park the crowds would come on mass.[/quote]

But do you?

They way I read it is that you loose nothing, the only thing you will miss out on unless you upgrade your membership is AFL games. Cricket only has access to the oval for 5 months but the members still have 12 months access.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Sorry about the format, I don't know how to fix it when you have too many quotes.

[Royal City]

So we lose free access to Rugby Sevens, Adelaide United, KOL/Pearl Jam concerts plus losing access to the oval for 7 months. And get to pay an extra $100 a year for the loss of these privileges.

Not a great deal for SACA members IMHO.

Sorry using Soccer gets bigger crowds at Adelaide Oval than Hindmarsh can not be used as proof more people will go to Adelaide Oval for AFL.

SANFL gets its biggest crowds of the year at Footy Park every year. That cant be used as proof if we moved all our games to footy park the crowds would come on mass.

But do you?

They way I read it is that you loose nothing, the only thing you will miss out on unless you upgrade your membership is AFL games. Cricket only has access to the oval for 5 months but the members still have 12 months access.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Sorry about the format, I don't know how to fix it when you have too many quotes.[/quote]

From what Im lead to believe that is Incorrect.

If you take up the summer/winter membership option youll get 12 months access.

For about $1000 - $1500 a year.

If you stay as just a cricket(Summer) member you only get 5 months access.

[AFLflyer]

This seems the be a really divisive issue, and I can't really understand why. To me it seems a win for all parties concerned.

I don't want this as a Cricket fan, an AFL fan, or a Crows fan. I want this as a sport loving South Australian. I want to see the most beautiful ground in the country (possibly the world) showcased across Australia and the world more than just a couple of times a year.

I want to have a chance to visit this wonderful stadium and watch top level professional sport more than just a few times a year. I want to make the trip to the ground a real experience, dining out and then walking across the Torrens and through our beautiful parklands.

I'm not into the politics. I'm not a SACA hater, or a Labor lover. I just want this to happen because I'm a proud South Aussie and I want to feel that pride every second weekend (or more often!) as I take in the beauty of our fantastic city and it's oval.

This project shows more vision than any city centre project ever proposed during my lifetime, and it excites me. I just hope people put their politics and personal interests aside and really consider the bigger picture. Instead of being consumed by 'worse case' senarios and conspiracy theories, focus on the 'best case' and the untold potential and opportunities this development could provide.

We could squabble about membership fees, or 5 vs 7 months usage, or drop in pitches. Or we could band together, build this stadium, and then sit back and share a few beers whilst taking in our favourite games at the best sporting arena in the world. The choice is as simple as that IMO.

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couldnt AGREE MORE Ginger!!!

[D14]

So we lose free access to Rugby Sevens, Adelaide United, KOL/Pearl Jam concerts plus losing access to the oval for 7 months. And get to pay an extra $100 a year for the loss of these privileges.

Not a great deal for SACA members IMHO.

Sorry using Soccer gets bigger crowds at Adelaide Oval than Hindmarsh can not be used as proof more people will go to Adelaide Oval for AFL.

SANFL gets its biggest crowds of the year at Footy Park every year. That cant be used as proof if we moved all our games to footy park the crowds would come on mass.

But do you?

They way I read it is that you loose nothing, the only thing you will miss out on unless you upgrade your membership is AFL games. Cricket only has access to the oval for 5 months but the members still have 12 months access.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Sorry about the format, I don't know how to fix it when you have too many quotes.

Incorrect.

If you take up the summer/winter membership option youll get 12 months access.

For about $1000 - $1500 a year.

If you stay as just a cricket(Summer) member you only get 5 months access.[/quote]

Thanks for fixing my quote up

This website says nothing about summer/winter memberships and that SACA members will still have access to all SANFL games played at Adelaide oval.

http://www.adelaideovalredevelopment.co ... ip_options

where did you get your membership info from?

[valleys07]

This seems the be a really divisive issue, and I can't really understand why. To me it seems a win for all parties concerned.

I don't want this as a Cricket fan, an AFL fan, or a Crows fan. I want this as a sport loving South Australian. I want to see the most beautiful ground in the country (possibly the world) showcased across Australia and the world more than just a couple of times a year.

I want to have a chance to visit this wonderful stadium and watch top level professional sport more than just a few times a year. I want to make the trip to the ground a real experience, dining out and then walking across the Torrens and through our beautiful parklands.

I'm not into the politics. I'm not a SACA hater, or a Labor lover. I just want this to happen because I'm a proud South Aussie and I want to feel that pride every second weekend (or more often!) as I take in the beauty of our fantastic city and it's oval.

This project shows more vision than any city centre project ever proposed during my lifetime, and it excites me. I just hope people put their politics and personal interests aside and really consider the bigger picture. Instead of being consumed by 'worse case' senarios and conspiracy theories, focus on the 'best case' and the untold potential and opportunities this development could provide.

We could squabble about membership fees, or 5 vs 7 months usage, or drop in pitches. Or we could band together, build this stadium, and then sit back and share a few beers whilst taking in our favourite games at the best sporting arena in the world. The choice is as simple as that IMO.

[Hondo]

I think there's an assumption out there (not only from RC) that memberships will align themselves with the time periods over which SACA or the SANFL have control of the ground. The SMA web-site doesn't say that in fact, as D14 says, an existing SACA membership with cricket and SANFL games included seems to stay as is meaning that the membership does not appear to be limited to periods of the year, rather it seems tied to specific events.

On the issue of concerts or other non-footy and cricket related events I had heard that these would be included into memberships the same way they are now with no limitation on whether you have a cricket or a footy membership. At face value this could be accomodated as not every member will want to go to a concert and there's extra capacity for these events. The SMA website doesn't say one way or the other so I don't think we can say for sure.

I am happy to be corrected on this. smac said in the other thread that membership prices had not been officially finalised yet so I'll take him at his word. I think he would know.

[Royal City]

So we lose free access to Rugby Sevens, Adelaide United, KOL/Pearl Jam concerts plus losing access to the oval for 7 months. And get to pay an extra $100 a year for the loss of these privileges.

Not a great deal for SACA members IMHO.

Sorry using Soccer gets bigger crowds at Adelaide Oval than Hindmarsh can not be used as proof more people will go to Adelaide Oval for AFL.

SANFL gets its biggest crowds of the year at Footy Park every year. That cant be used as proof if we moved all our games to footy park the crowds would come on mass.

But do you?

They way I read it is that you loose nothing, the only thing you will miss out on unless you upgrade your membership is AFL games. Cricket only has access to the oval for 5 months but the members still have 12 months access.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

Sorry about the format, I don't know how to fix it when you have too many quotes.

Incorrect.

If you take up the summer/winter membership option youll get 12 months access.

For about $1000 - $1500 a year.

If you stay as just a cricket(Summer) member you only get 5 months access.

Thanks for fixing my quote up

This website says nothing about summer/winter memberships and that SACA members will still have access to all SANFL games played at Adelaide oval.

http://www.adelaideovalredevelopment.co ... ip_options

where did you get your membership info from?[/quote]

email/survey sent to members from saca with all the winter/summer membership options.

I also dont believe extra people will rock up to Adelaide Oval. And in 5 years AFl fans will have list of complaints as long as your arm about the place.

I dont believe a $50 mill 1200 strong car park will solve anything re: parking problems at Adelaide Oval. I also guarantee not one member of joe public will ever use the car park.

On a wet day. Adelaide Oval isnt any more comfortable than AAMI stadium IMHO.

[D14]

email sent to members from saca with all the winter/summer membership options.

OK thanks Royal City. Its really hard to get all the information I guess.

When was the email sent out to members?

[Royal City]

I think there's an assumption out there (not only from RC) that memberships will align themselves with the time periods over which SACA or the SANFL have control of the ground. The SMA web-site doesn't say that in fact, as D14 says, an existing SACA membership with cricket and SANFL games included seems to stay as is meaning that the membership does not appear to be limited to periods of the year, rather it seems tied to specific events.

On the issue of concerts or other non-footy and cricket related events I had heard that these would be included into memberships the same way they are now with no limitation on whether you have a cricket or a footy membership. At face value this could be accomodated as not every member will want to go to a concert and there's extra capacity for these events. The SMA website doesn't say one way or the other so I don't think we can say for sure.

I am happy to be corrected on this. smac said in the other thread that membership prices had not been officially finalised yet so I'll take him at his word. I think he would know.

SMAC said saca were struggling financially. And then I put their actual financials up.

Ive heard opposite to you. If you want full access for 12 months you need to premier winter/summer package for about $1500 a year.

Where did you get your info Hondo ???

Do you honestly think they are potentially going to be giving out 40-50000 free tickets to these events guys ????

[Sojourner]

How much better really is public transport in Adelaide than to Football Park? When the Friday night Cricket game was on that attracted less fans than a Showdown, the roads in the city went into gridlock including all the buses. No specific bus lanes are available for King William Street or through North Adelaide. As for the Trains, how many trains can they get into the platform? Bear in mind that our train station is a complete dead end, there is no capacity for trains to pull in and pull out quickly as there is no loop available, due to safety issues the trains also get into gridlock getting in and out of the platforms at Adelaide Railway station.

I cant see anywhere in the plans for the oval for any Bus Lanes or stop over zones being built alongside King William Street or in the Parklands - clearly because the Parklands Society who had the Clipsal grandstand knocked on the head wont be allowing it to happen, people dont realise the power that particular group have over heritage and not losing the footprint of the parklands and so on.

Clearly to make it work the Trains have to able to loop around North terrace, there need to be dedicated North - South Bus lanes past Adelaide Oval, and an extention of the Tram would be another good way of moving numbers of people in and out quickly.

Despite what you may think, people are not going to give up their cars to catch public transport to go to the football and I would suggest that if you try and push people to make a choice they will simply take the 20min delay on TV.

Its a good set up that has been proposed, yet the set up within it for Public Transport misses the mark completley and the State Goverment really need to get it right if they are to make it actually successful.

[Royal City]

How much better really is public transport in Adelaide than to Football Park? When the Friday night Cricket game was on that attracted less fans than a Showdown, the roads in the city went into gridlock including all the buses. No specific bus lanes are available for King William Street or through North Adelaide. As for the Trains, how many trains can they get into the platform? Bear in mind that our train station is a complete dead end, there is no capacity for trains to pull in and pull out quickly as there is no loop available, due to safety issues the trains also get into gridlock getting in and out of the platforms at Adelaide Railway station.

I cant see anywhere in the plans for the oval for any Bus Lanes or stop over zones being built alongside King William Street or in the Parklands - clearly because the Parklands Society who had the Clipsal grandstand knocked on the head wont be allowing it to happen, people dont realise the power that particular group have over heritage and not losing the footprint of the parklands and so on.

Clearly to make it work the Trains have to able to loop around North terrace, there need to be dedicated North - South Bus lanes past Adelaide Oval, and an extention of the Tram would be another good way of moving numbers of people in and out quickly.

Despite what you may think, people are not going to give up their cars to catch public transport to go to the football and I would suggest that if you try and push people to make a choice they will simply take the 20min delay on TV.

Its a good set up that has been proposed, yet the set up within it for Public Transport misses the mark completley and the State Goverment really need to get it right if they are to make it actually successful.

The crowd leaving the AC/DC concert last year was the largest I have seen and it was simply mayhem afterwards.

There was a 20/20 game and an international tennis event held at Memorial drive on the same night this summer.

Simply for parking you had no chance. And for those who were lucky enough to get parks it was a 20-30 minute wait just to get out of any car park.

Considering the objections to football park are , how hard it is to get to the ground, and how much afl costs, how much it sucks when it rains.

I dont thinmk these areas have been addressed with the Adelaide Oval re-developement.

And I simply dont think AFl's brand is anywhere near as strong as what it was 10 years ago. And that is the AFL clubs biggest problem IMHO not football park.

[Hondo]

SMAC said saca were struggling financially. And then I put their actual financials up.

No, someone else said that and smac defended the SACA's financial position and he agreed with you. And I agree with both of you.

I am getting my information from the SMA web-site (I am assuming it's not out of date)

http://www.adelaideovalredevelopment.co ... _authority

[White Line Fever]

This seems the be a really divisive issue, and I can't really understand why. To me it seems a win for all parties concerned.

I don't want this as a Cricket fan, an AFL fan, or a Crows fan. I want this as a sport loving South Australian. I want to see the most beautiful ground in the country (possibly the world) showcased across Australia and the world more than just a couple of times a year.

I want to have a chance to visit this wonderful stadium and watch top level professional sport more than just a few times a year. I want to make the trip to the ground a real experience, dining out and then walking across the Torrens and through our beautiful parklands.

I'm not into the politics. I'm not a SACA hater, or a Labor lover. I just want this to happen because I'm a proud South Aussie and I want to feel that pride every second weekend (or more often!) as I take in the beauty of our fantastic city and it's oval.

This project shows more vision than any city centre project ever proposed during my lifetime, and it excites me. I just hope people put their politics and personal interests aside and really consider the bigger picture. Instead of being consumed by 'worse case' senarios and conspiracy theories, focus on the 'best case' and the untold potential and opportunities this development could provide.

We could squabble about membership fees, or 5 vs 7 months usage, or drop in pitches. Or we could band together, build this stadium, and then sit back and share a few beers whilst taking in our favourite games at the best sporting arena in the world. The choice is as simple as that IMO.

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couldnt AGREE MORE Ginger!!!

Absolutely spot on.
Fantastic summary

[smac]

SMAC said saca were struggling financially. And then I put their actual financials up.

Wait, what? Where? I reckon in your haste to debate you have mis-read a post because that's not something I would have said.

[Royal City]

SMAC said saca were struggling financially. And then I put their actual financials up.

Wait, what? Where? I reckon in your haste to debate you have mis-read a post because that's not something I would have said.

1000 apologees smac. i got you and CP's quote mixed up. Honest mistake.

[Royal City]

SMAC said saca were struggling financially. And then I put their actual financials up.

No, someone else said that and smac defended the SACA's financial position and he agreed with you. And I agree with both of you.

I am getting my information from the SMA web-site (I am assuming it's not out of date)

http://www.adelaideovalredevelopment.co ... _authority

can i ask again applying logic ??? do you honestly think they will give free tickets to all 35-40000 members to these events.

If your member in winter and something happens in winter youll get access and visa versa in summer.

But it will not be crossed over. Otherwise they wouldnt offer summer/winter/fulltime memberships.

If any of the above membership gets you 12 months access to events. Who would honestly buy the full time membership. ???

[Hondo]

Details of what the SANFL intend to do with the land at West Lakes should the AO redevelopment go ahead:

http://weekly-times-messenger.whereiliv ... -overhaul/

[Reddeer]

I still regard this idea as a waste of money. Sure the model looks pretty and those who can afford it will be well catered for.
In 20 years time when it rains much more often we be be saying wouldn't it be good to have had an undercover all purpose arena.
The AO development is half cocked with only 3 quarters of the ground surrounded. What screams will be heard down the track when the fig trees go as well to complete the project.
And car parking exiting from AO carpark at say $20 each time will be no easier than AAMI.
This development is like selling my home and then sharing it with my neighbour. yeah great idea.
Oh for the days when Wayne Jackson was at the helm of the AFL and some sensible decisions where made.
Please someone come to your senses and scuttle before it is too late