AFL vs Soccer World Cup

[cripple]

If you can't see that a world cup will help the entire country you have your head stuck up your backside. Whilst you might not gain immediate economic effects in your occupation, the people that do will then spend that money in your place of your work or if worst comes to worst it will towards GST and then we can all benefit with roads, hospitals, improved sporting arenas etc....

By 2022 australia's population will be around the 25 million mark. The impact that how ever many hundreds of thousands of international tourists come to australia for the cup will have a far greater impact on us then it would in the USA for example. the promotion gained will see many millions of tourists wanting to come to australia for years after the world cup after seeing all the cities that they didn't get to learn about during sydney 2000.

and if you are really worried about the AFL season stopping for a month, don't be bloody stupid. Imagine channel 7, 9 and 10's delight when the majority of spectators can't go to the G and are forced to watch there dogs, roo's or even pies play out of darwin, cairns, launceston or bellreive on TV for a month. could even send a couple of games over to NZ or Japan to cash in on the international recognition that australia would be experiencing. I dont think that MLB, NBA, NHL or NFL were overly affected in 1994, why should we be.

You have been listening to too many politicians.......

Just cause I have have a different opinion doesn't mean i have been listening to anyone. With that argument you have been listening to too many afl/nrl administrators

[Rik E Boy]

1. The 4th or 5th ranked sport in the US has a lot more bums on seats than the 4th or 5th ranked sport in Aus.
FAIL ! Average crowd in the MSL is 16037. A-League crowd is 12180 (for last completed season). Population of the USA 308 million. Population of Australia 22 million.

Pfft. How are the A League average attendances going this season? That's a gap of 4,000 per match and growing but according to you that is not a factor. I respectfully disagree.

2. The World Cup is a once off benefit. The AFL (and the NRL) provides an ongoing benefit long after our brief flirtation with the world game is over.
FAIL ! So if that's the case why did Sydney bother with the Olympics. The Stadium upgrades alone would benefit the AFL & NRL (and A-League/Union) in the future.

Sydney bothered with the Olympics because it covers more than one sport, unlike the Soccer World Cup. If the Soccer World cup wants to use the MCG, Ethiad and the Olympic Stadium, how is this developing more venues for our domestic leagues? The Olympic Stadium was built for the Olympics because there wasn't a suitable venue in Australia’s largest city. A new venue for the 1956 Olympics wasn’t required because Melbourne has the MCG, which it still does. By 2018 and 2022 there will already be improved facilities in all major Australian cities (er..thanks to the AFL's annual committment).

The World Cup will at best refurbish existing facilities. You have greatly overstated the benefits of the World Cup once it has finished and at the same time you are greatly underestimating the damage the 8-9 weeks off can have in the NRL and the AFL.

3. Demetriou would never close down an entire football season because this will cause clubs to fall over. Demetriou's legacy to the AFL will be an expanded AFL competition. No amount of money can compensate with the ambition of that towering ego. He will not want to go down in history as the president that oversaw the downfall of a Melbourne or Western Bulldogs or a North. And where is this money going to come from? FIFA? Nope, they'll award it to another country. The FFA? Not likely..it will come from our pockets so there's a negative on the economic benefits side of it. No one is going to throw cash at Demetriou and the AFL simply cannot and should not be forced to close down its entire season.
FAIL ! No one has said the AFL has to shut down the entire season. Did anyone carp on about the revised season times for the Olympic & Commonwealth games ?

Both Andrew Demetriou and David Gallop have both stated they are worried about the possibility of shutting down the entire season. By not having their venues available for half the year it increases the possibility of a complete lockout. On the other hand the FFA boss has hosed down such claims as the backlash is an impediment to Australia’s World Cup bid. If the NRL and the AFL can’t make a profit it is quite a realistic scenario that they could write the season off as a business decision. It will cost two clubs their spot in the league at least if this happens. Nobody had to worry about the Olympic games because the Olympic games wasn’t kicking football off their venues for over two months. Big difference.

4. I wouldn't cross the road to watch the Socceroos. I wouldn't reach for the remote to turn over to the Paraguay vs. Serbia match. This country is the home of Australian Rules Football - the game made by Australians for Australians. While the World Cup obviously would benefit our country the arrogance of FIFA and the FFA is beyond belief...discarding our homegrown game just to benefit European soccer leagues and International broadcasters for a game that many of us couldn't care less about for the majority of the time.

FAIL ! Half the country is home to AFL, the rest of it couldn't give a rats arse about it. What the hell do European Football Leagues have to do with the World Cup? It's an INTERNATIONAL tournament.

Yes half the country is home to the AFL, but to say the rest of the country couldn’t give a rats arse about it is an incredibly disengenous interpretation from such a good poster. My seven year old son has already attended four pre-season training sessions in the under eights in the state where Wally Lewis is King. And he goes because he wants to, I’ve never played a game in my life. I grew up in a Rugby state and I didn’t see football until I was about 11. These days kids in NSW and Qld are playing footy. In Brisbane there is a massive league for Aussie Rules football. I know, I’ve gone on the massive road trips. And fancy asking what the European Leagues have to do with the timing of the World Cup! Let me $um it up for you. You think that the Italian, Spanish, German and English Premier League don’t have any influence in the timing of the World Cup??

The major Leagues usually don't play when it's on ! Many may not care but many do !

Judging by your response it is quite clear that you do care. I care just as much about not losing my favourite sport for a season to host a World Cup for a sport that isn’t ‘home’ in any state. You love your Soccer and that’s fair enough plenty of people do. I watch English Premier League and the Socceroos when they play but not when the Cats are playing and many Australians feel the same way.

Even though I am as passionate about not having the cup as you are for Australia to stage the event, one thing I would never do is post in bold, capital letters in red font. We’ve both been using computers long enough to realise that is poor form. That my friend, is a FAIL.

Respectfully,

REB

[Dirko]

One thing I would never do is post in bold, capital letters in red font. We’ve both been using computers long enough to realise that is poor form. That my friend, is a FAIL.

Respectfully,

REB

FAIL ! Practise what you preach man !!

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This league is mainly made of up of coaches who have had some previous SuperCoach experience. Straycat Strut will not be eligble for any higher division. If we get some coaches who have had a decent record in SuperCoach in the past but have yet to enter the Hogg then they may come into this league at the expense of Pidge and Thiele who struggled in Division III last season. Ground control to Major Tom - Bowie's Martians, come on home.

regards,

REB

Poor form indeed !

[Dirko]

Pfft. How are the A League average attendances going this season? That's a gap of 4,000 per match and growing but according to you that is not a factor. I respectfully disagree.

So you work out that 1 person out of 19205 attends a game in the States compared to 1 person out of 2444 (worked out at a lower rate of 9k for you), in Australia. I can see which country supports Soccer more per head of population, and by a long way too.

Sydney bothered with the Olympics because it covers more than one sport, unlike the Soccer World Cup. If the Soccer World cup wants to use the MCG, Ethiad and the Olympic Stadium, how is this developing more venues for our domestic leagues? The Olympic Stadium was built for the Olympics because there wasn't a suitable venue in Australia’s largest city. A new venue for the 1956 Olympics wasn’t required because Melbourne has the MCG, which it still does. By 2018 and 2022 there will already be improved facilities in all major Australian cities (er..thanks to the AFL's annual committment).

To host a World Cup host cities/venues must have suitable training facilities. Teams can't train on match day pitched but will utilise facilities like Olympic Park in Melbourne, Hindmarsh in Adelaide, ME Bank Stadium in Perth, Robina Stadium etc. These pitches must meet standards to allow training etc, so most will have work done on them to ensure the standards. That will benefit the domestic league. How much $$$ will the AFL annual commitment pump into Olympic Stadium ? Or Adelaide Oval ? Or Suncorp ?

Both Andrew Demetriou and David Gallop have both stated they are worried about the possibility of shutting down the entire season. By not having their venues available for half the year it increases the possibility of a complete lockout. On the other hand the FFA boss has hosed down such claims as the backlash is an impediment to Australia’s World Cup bid. If the NRL and the AFL can’t make a profit it is quite a realistic scenario that they could write the season off as a business decision. It will cost two clubs their spot in the league at least if this happens. Nobody had to worry about the Olympic games because the Olympic games wasn’t kicking football off their venues for over two months. Big difference.

There are plenty of stadiums/ovals/parks where the NRL & AFL can ply their games without having a season disrupted. I think both camps have stated their worst concerns of whihc people have panicked and jumper all over.

Yes half the country is home to the AFL, but to say the rest of the country couldn’t give a rats arse about it is an incredibly disingenuous interpretation from such a good poster. My seven year old son has already attended four pre-season training sessions in the under eights in the state where Wally Lewis is King. And he goes because he wants to, I’ve never played a game in my life. I grew up in a Rugby state and I didn’t see football until I was about 11. These days kids in NSW and Qld are playing footy. In Brisbane there is a massive league for Aussie Rules football. I know, I’ve gone on the massive road trips. And fancy asking what the European Leagues have to do with the timing of the World Cup! Let me $um it up for you. You think that the Italian, Spanish, German and English Premier League don’t have any influence in the timing of the World Cup??

Glad your lad is playing the great game, hope he keeps it up. On a side note guess which sport Australia wide has the highest participation rate of the 4 codes ? Timing of the World Cup. It's in the off season of the leagues for sure. Including the A-League. Have to run it in winter in Australia, ad if the pasty Poms had to play in Summer they'd keel over.

Judging by your response it is quite clear that you do care. I care just as much about not losing my favourite sport for a season to host a World Cup for a sport that isn’t ‘home’ in any state. You love your Soccer and that’s fair enough plenty of people do. I watch English Premier League and the Socceroos when they play but not when the Cats are playing and many Australians feel the same way.

So you watch the Socceroos, glad your TV isn't across the road then ! You survived 11 years without Football (your first 11), I'm sure you could survive a month or two (which won't happen IMO anyhow !)

[Farmy]

Australia won't get the World Cup, FIFA will give it to someone else because it is too much trouble to host it here, which is good because I don't like soccer.

[Psyber]

I didn't see why Sydney bothered with the Olympics either - I didn't even watch any of it on TV...
We don't need this boring foreign stuff interfering with the important and basic features of our lifestyle.

[Rik E Boy]

One thing I would never do is post in bold, capital letters in red font. We’ve both been using computers long enough to realise that is poor form. That my friend, is a FAIL.

Respectfully,

REB

FAIL ! Practise what you preach man !!

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This league is mainly made of up of coaches who have had some previous SuperCoach experience. Straycat Strut will not be eligble for any higher division. If we get some coaches who have had a decent record in SuperCoach in the past but have yet to enter the Hogg then they may come into this league at the expense of Pidge and Thiele who struggled in Division III last season. Ground control to Major Tom - Bowie's Martians, come on home.

regards,

REB

Poor form indeed !

LMAO you got me there.

regards,

REB

[Rik E Boy]

Pfft. How are the A League average attendances going this season? That's a gap of 4,000 per match and growing but according to you that is not a factor. I respectfully disagree.

So you work out that 1 person out of 19205 attends a game in the States compared to 1 person out of 2444 (worked out at a lower rate of 9k for you), in Australia. I can see which country supports Soccer more per head of population, and by a long way too.

Sydney bothered with the Olympics because it covers more than one sport, unlike the Soccer World Cup. If the Soccer World cup wants to use the MCG, Ethiad and the Olympic Stadium, how is this developing more venues for our domestic leagues? The Olympic Stadium was built for the Olympics because there wasn't a suitable venue in Australia’s largest city. A new venue for the 1956 Olympics wasn’t required because Melbourne has the MCG, which it still does. By 2018 and 2022 there will already be improved facilities in all major Australian cities (er..thanks to the AFL's annual committment).

To host a World Cup host cities/venues must have suitable training facilities. Teams can't train on match day pitched but will utilise facilities like Olympic Park in Melbourne, Hindmarsh in Adelaide, ME Bank Stadium in Perth, Robina Stadium etc. These pitches must meet standards to allow training etc, so most will have work done on them to ensure the standards. That will benefit the domestic league. How much $$$ will the AFL annual commitment pump into Olympic Stadium ? Or Adelaide Oval ? Or Suncorp ?

Both Andrew Demetriou and David Gallop have both stated they are worried about the possibility of shutting down the entire season. By not having their venues available for half the year it increases the possibility of a complete lockout. On the other hand the FFA boss has hosed down such claims as the backlash is an impediment to Australia’s World Cup bid. If the NRL and the AFL can’t make a profit it is quite a realistic scenario that they could write the season off as a business decision. It will cost two clubs their spot in the league at least if this happens. Nobody had to worry about the Olympic games because the Olympic games wasn’t kicking football off their venues for over two months. Big difference.

There are plenty of stadiums/ovals/parks where the NRL & AFL can ply their games without having a season disrupted. I think both camps have stated their worst concerns of whihc people have panicked and jumper all over.

Yes half the country is home to the AFL, but to say the rest of the country couldn’t give a rats arse about it is an incredibly disingenuous interpretation from such a good poster. My seven year old son has already attended four pre-season training sessions in the under eights in the state where Wally Lewis is King. And he goes because he wants to, I’ve never played a game in my life. I grew up in a Rugby state and I didn’t see football until I was about 11. These days kids in NSW and Qld are playing footy. In Brisbane there is a massive league for Aussie Rules football. I know, I’ve gone on the massive road trips. And fancy asking what the European Leagues have to do with the timing of the World Cup! Let me $um it up for you. You think that the Italian, Spanish, German and English Premier League don’t have any influence in the timing of the World Cup??

Glad your lad is playing the great game, hope he keeps it up. On a side note guess which sport Australia wide has the highest participation rate of the 4 codes ? Timing of the World Cup. It's in the off season of the leagues for sure. Including the A-League. Have to run it in winter in Australia, ad if the pasty Poms had to play in Summer they'd keel over.

Judging by your response it is quite clear that you do care. I care just as much about not losing my favourite sport for a season to host a World Cup for a sport that isn’t ‘home’ in any state. You love your Soccer and that’s fair enough plenty of people do. I watch English Premier League and the Socceroos when they play but not when the Cats are playing and many Australians feel the same way.

So you watch the Socceroos, glad your TV isn't across the road then ! You survived 11 years without Football (your first 11), I'm sure you could survive a month or two (which won't happen IMO anyhow !)

1. I'm not talking about popularity per capita of the respective nations but the number of bums on seats. It is an irrefutable fact that there is a considerable gap in numbers. Did you see how many bums weren't on seats for the Roar vs. North Queensland match last night? The trend is heading downwards and that's with our side qualifying for the World Cup.

2. It has been noted that you have backed down in regards to the construction of new venues and you now appear to be in agreeance that the World Cup will lead to refurbishment of existing venues.

3. There's no doubt that Soccer enjoys a high participation rate but that is because Mum and Dad don't want little Johnny getting hurt - I mean, where would all the jokes come from? But commenting about Soccer participation rates is irrelevant to your point about 'non AFL' states not giving a rats arse about football - which they clearly do.

4. It is easy to survive without something that you don't know about. Australia has survived without the World Cup for over 200 years. And no mate, I couldn't survive for two months without my footy. I hate the off season, especially when I no longer play Cricket and neither do the Aussies.

LOL. I don't think we'll be agreeing on this one anytime soon. I noticed that the FFA stands to gain about 150 million if the World Cup is held in Australia. I thought 'bloody hell that is a benefit'. Then later on in the news program it was revealed that Koala Bears generate an estimated 30 million per year in tourism revenue. So a once off benefit to the FFA is 150 million but by 2018 Koalas will generate 270 million. Because Koalas are hopefully here to stay, they will generate more money than the Soccer World Cup. As will the AFL.

regards,

REB

[Dirko]

LOL. I don't think we'll be agreeing on this one anytime soon.

Agreed, play on !

Regards

SJABC

[Bum Crack]

One thing I would never do is post in bold, capital letters in red font. We’ve both been using computers long enough to realise that is poor form. That my friend, is a FAIL.

Respectfully,

REB

FAIL ! Practise what you preach man !!

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This league is mainly made of up of coaches who have had some previous SuperCoach experience. Straycat Strut will not be eligble for any higher division. If we get some coaches who have had a decent record in SuperCoach in the past but have yet to enter the Hogg then they may come into this league at the expense of Pidge and Thiele who struggled in Division III last season. Ground control to Major Tom - Bowie's Martians, come on home.

regards,

REB

Poor form indeed !

[Wedgie]

Perhaps if we replaced the soccer balls with koalas we'd be onto a real winner!

[Psyber]

Perhaps if we replaced the soccer balls with koalas we'd be onto a real winner!

Tassie Devils would make it more entertaining.
Keep the violence on the field where it belongs, so it doesn't spread to the mindless and bored spectators.

[Rik E Boy]

Perhaps if we replaced the soccer balls with koalas we'd be onto a real winner!

Fur God's sake Wedgie, leaf it out. This is a serious discussion by gum.

regards,

REB

[Psyber]

This is worth a read - the World Cup seems to imply major disruption and major public expense: http://au.sports.yahoo.com/cricket/news ... -agreement

Strings attached to World Cup agreement

[Zorro]

Perhaps if we replaced the soccer balls with koalas we'd be onto a real winner!

Fur God's sake Wedgie, leaf it out. This is a serious discussion by gum.

regards,

REB

furry funny......