ST KILDA the excuses

[Punk Rooster]

The most ridiculous thing I've heard all week was Butteressessesss coming out* & saying "Sthtop that- leave him alone, be nithce..."- actually defending the most incompetent (apologies to Chris Connolly) coach in the league. Really, those guys need a room...

[am Bays]

Imagine if the'AINTS win the 2006 flag.................

Imagine no possessions it's easy if you try........(well no possessions is a reality for my footy career)
Imagine all the people living life as one

I can say that John Lennon and Saint's supporters are dreamers.....

[sydney-dog]

Mal your argument has holes in it

Adelaide
Scott Welsh (stress fracture - leg) Test
Jason Torney (quad) Test
John Hinge (glandular fever) Test
Chad Gibson (quad) Test
Matthew Bode (head/back) Test
Nathan Bassett (neck) Test
Nathan Bock (back) mid-to-late season
Ian Perrie (knee) 8 weeks
Ben Hudson (knee) TBC
Darren Pfeiffer (back) TBC

Adelaide 8 Injuries either back or leg related

Brisbane Lions
Chris Johnson (groin) 2-4 wks
Ash McGrath (wrist) Test
Richard Hadley (knee). Season
Chris Scott (hip) Indefinite
Joel Macdonald (knee) TBA
Clark Keating (foot) 2 wks
Robert Copeland (ankle) Test
Pat Garner (knee) Season
Josh Drummond (shoulder) 1-2 wks
Nigel Lappin (ankle) 10-14 wks
Lenny Clark (knee) 2 wks

Brisbane - 8 injuries leg related

Both these sides don't play regularly at TD........

You can present stats how ever you want people to read them, before you can come to a conclusion that the TD is the root cause their is far more information you need to take in to account, for example the club's training program, the players medical history, how did the injury occur, what was the contributing factors, what was the root cause, was it due to over use, was a collision involved..........

Mal, I think six years at Uni and 10 as a physio qualifies me to say, you need more focus data and information before you can make that assumption.......

I agree TD is a hard track and has the potential to cause soreness, but with the right recovery and training programs you can definitely minimise the impact

[mal]

LOVELY ARTICLE sydneydog

You have a uni degree and 10 years as a physio and
your obviously better qualified in the logistics.
BUT
I did matric and got a certificate with a pass in maths
AND

TELSTRA TEAMS 17 LEG 3 OTHER
OTHER GROUNDS 41 LEG 32 OTHER

thats about 85% against 60 % approximately.

the stats may change over a period of time to support you
but thats what i read in the advertiser.

Your post has holes in it as well.
You presented AC and BL as isolated examples
Now have a look at CO + CA injury list
7 players injured and a mere one is leg related.

cheers.

[Rik E Boy]

FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT



REB

[sydney-dog]

Mal, I was going to stop short of calling you an IDIOT but sorry
your an idiot

Mate, get a note pad and pen and take some notes.
Lesson number 1, Question. Why don't bean counters run large organisations, Answer. If they did these companies would go bust, why because they think at the same level as you do........

Lesson 2.
Root cause analyst, mate, close your year 12 maths book, and lets start building a total picture regarding leg injuries, to be able to confidently identify possible cause for these types of injuries you need to be able to break down your high level data to a level that gives us specific data on each injury which includes
1. medical history
2. Training Program
3. recovery program
4. Surface both playing and training
5. Type of boots they are wearing, do they wearing inner soles
6. Other contributing factors, was their a collision involved, was their an unorthadox movement.
7. Age of the player
8. Where did the injury occur (ground), the conditions at that time
9. Work load of that actual player

Once you have this level of data on each injury then you can use open up your year 12 maths text book to the statistic chapter and build a total model and publish something meaningful

[Blue Boy]

Mal, I was going to stop short of calling you an IDIOT but sorry
your an idiot

Now that is funny

[Rik E Boy]

Lesson number 1, Question. Why don't bean counters run large organisations....

John Howard = former treasurer = bean counter
Australia = branch office of the largest organisation in the world

here endeth the lesson?

regards,

REB

[Ecky]

I'm enjoying this "discussion", guys.

Sydney-Dog, you are right that there are many causes of injuries and that it is very difficult to pinpoint the exact cause. I am sure that everyone here, including Mal, agrees with this.

But Mal never actually stated that Telstra Dome was the cause of the injuries, just that teams playing there tended to have long injury lists. He was just speculating, which is a valid thing to do, as it makes people think more closely about what the true causes may be.

[Booney]

I would like to get involved in this argument,but I know already that I am an idiot,secondly no-one and I mean no one is going to call me a bean counter....

[mal]

SYDNEY-DOG

In regards to LESSON 2

Basically most of this catergory falls on to the fitness coach.
Craig Starcevich is the fitness coach.
Can we blame him...after all wasen't he the fitness coach
during the BL successful finals campaigns?
As much as we scrutinise the overall set up at SK can
we at least agree that Craig is proficient in his trade?

PS: the Australian cricketers wore different shoes when
they played the world there last october.
WHY ?

Also there were a couple of injuries sustained to the cricketers
during that series.[???]

One other thing SYDNEY -DOG forums are for discussions,differences
of opinions, criticisms, accolades etc.
I respect your qualified views on the matter and your valuable insights.

[sydney-dog]

REB

Nice point, but Paul Keating was also a bean counter, and it is also highly debatable our current economical position, especially in regards to infrastructure and skill shortages.....

but this is not a political website

Ecky, your point, have I been too harsh on Mal, no I don't think so, reading all his emails their has been obvious intent to directly contribute TD to the Saints overal performance as a Club, I agree TD is a hard and fast track and if rehabilitation is not tailored accordingly clubs who play at this Stadium will be in trouble, but the focus should be on the clubs to get their programs right, not on the stadium itself as the ground has been deemed fit to play.

The same would apply with playing up North, you have to tailor your training for the environment, hydration is an issue.

The West, the surface is also hard, but also sandy, this causes other complications, so foot wear becomes vitally important......

The main message, is to understand the environment, have a clear understanding of all contributing factors and build a program to minimise risk

[am Bays]

*Tassie opens his mouth but pauses, thinks nup its not worth it*

[doggies4eva]

the Australian cricketers wore different shoes when
they played the world there last october.
WHY ?

Was it because they were playing cricket and not football?

[Rik E Boy]

*Tassie opens his mouth but pauses, thinks nup its not worth it*

tee hee

regards,

REB

[mal]

The cricketers chose to wear different shoes
to avoid slipping on the surface that was from
memory slippery...despite the roof covering.

[sydney-dog]

Mal,

I too respect your views so if I have offended you I too apologies.....

Mal you make a good point about the Aust Cricketers, but in doing so this is the point I am trying to get across, you need to understand the environment and adjust your training and equipment if necessary...

We all know that TD is a hard and fast track but this alone can not be directly contributed to injuries, clubs need to be smarter.

For example, my understanding is that the crows have specific foot wear requirements for this ground, which include specific inner soles, their is also a specific recovery program in place for TD Games, the training the following week is also changed due to TD games, certain players with history of soft tissue and over use injuries are given extra rest after telstra dome games......

Mal, Yes TD is a factor but only if you let it be........

Mate, the same applies to a construction site, it's dangerous, people can be killed or seriously injured, but if you understand your environment, understand the risks, put in the control measures to reduce the risk, then you can make that site as safe as a chrch......

My apologies if I offended you I do respect your opinion

[Mr66]

Six and a half hours since the last post?!?
When do we get rounds 7 to 15 guys?

[mal]

SYDNEY DOG WINS ON POINTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bayman]

i'm going to tell you what a crows player told me last thursday obviously i cant say who but he said when asked about td that its great to play there but you are very sore after the game for a week or so & he'd hate to play on it week in week out as it would be pretty taxing on the body especially the legs right up top the groins so in mals defence this should be thought of in discussions by the way the same player said (& i know there not supposed to say this but) we'll smash 'em referring to richmond !!! he wasn't right there