Port Adelaide 2017

[MW]

It's dividing Port media also. Some agreeing with Koch, some disagreeing.
I personally didn't have a problem with it except for the timing. If the comments were made at the BnF, fair enough. Probably not the best timing directly after the game while the players are still crying.

[Booney]

It's dividing Port media also. Some agreeing with Koch, some disagreeing.
I personally didn't have a problem with it except for the timing. If the comments were made at the BnF, fair enough. Probably not the best timing directly after the game while the players are still crying.

My only problem is it was an after the siren after extra time loss, to question the players endeavor after witnessing that match wasn't a great look and given his time over I'd say he would rethink his actions, as I would when I had a few Jacks on ice when I got home, I really would have gone and got some dry if I was thinking straight, question their ability to execute under pressure but not their endeavor.

If we'd got done by 10 goals, if we'd finished 15th with 4 wins, question their intent, after a gut wrenching loss in the 115th minute...intent can't be questioned.

[MW]

It's dividing Port media also. Some agreeing with Koch, some disagreeing.
I personally didn't have a problem with it except for the timing. If the comments were made at the BnF, fair enough. Probably not the best timing directly after the game while the players are still crying.

My only problem is it was an after the siren after extra time loss, to question the players endeavor after witnessing that match wasn't a great look and given his time over I'd say he would rethink his actions, as I would when I had a few Jacks on ice when I got home, I really would have gone and got some dry if I was thinking straight, question their ability to execute under pressure but not their endeavor.

If we'd got done by 10 goals, if we'd finished 15th with 4 wins, question their intent, after a gut wrenching loss in the 115th minute...intent can't be questioned.

I personally think this is masking the real issues.
With all due respect to WCE, they effectively got a finals spot by circumstance (Melbourne lose the unlosable and Crows didn't give a shit when playing WCE in rd 23).
I understand WCE have an outstanding record at AO, but they were non existent for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters. Port should have been 3-4 goals up at 3 qu time.
Kennedy and Darling with 3 goals each was the difference. Trengrove in defence would have reduced those numbers.
10.16 was the difference. Better efficiency going forward would have improved those numbers.
How do Port fix this when it's more and more likely that Trengrove is off to Victoria?
Interesting off season for Port coming up...

[Booney]

It's dividing Port media also. Some agreeing with Koch, some disagreeing.
I personally didn't have a problem with it except for the timing. If the comments were made at the BnF, fair enough. Probably not the best timing directly after the game while the players are still crying.

My only problem is it was an after the siren after extra time loss, to question the players endeavor after witnessing that match wasn't a great look and given his time over I'd say he would rethink his actions, as I would when I had a few Jacks on ice when I got home, I really would have gone and got some dry if I was thinking straight, question their ability to execute under pressure but not their endeavor.

If we'd got done by 10 goals, if we'd finished 15th with 4 wins, question their intent, after a gut wrenching loss in the 115th minute...intent can't be questioned.

I personally think this is masking the real issues.
With all due respect to WCE, they effectively got a finals spot by circumstance (Melbourne lose the unlosable and Crows didn't give a shit when playing WCE in rd 23).
I understand WCE have an outstanding record at AO, but they were non existent for the 2nd, 3rd and 4th quarters. Port should have been 3-4 goals up at 3 qu time.
Kennedy and Darling with 3 goals each was the difference. Trengrove in defence would have reduced those numbers.
10.16 was the difference. Better efficiency going forward would have improved those numbers.
How do Port fix this when it's more and more likely that Trengrove is off to Victoria?
Interesting off season for Port coming up...

So what was the difference, Kennedy and Darling 3 each ( Kennedy 2 in extra time ) or Port's 10.16?

It wasn't our defence that cost us, WCE were 9.6 at end of normal time, the back half was outstanding and did their job, saying Trengove would have been the difference is rubbish, IMO.

It was our finishing in front of goals that hurt us, 20 shots to 15 at full time tells the story, not the selection of Trengove or other wise.

If WCE kicked 18 goals and we got done by 6 question the backline set up, keeping them to 9 majors and having 5 more shots on goal isn't the back half failing.

[MW]

When the key forwards kick 8 of the 12 goals, and the one question mark going in was how Port were going to defend WCE many tall key forwards, I think it was an issue that wasn't correctly addressed.

[Booney]

They didn't score for over 60 minutes and our back line wasn't working?

Listen,it was the forwards and midfields kicking at goal and not the defensive unit that let us down. That's it.

[Jim05]

[quote="Booney"]It'll be a 2 year extension taking him to the end of 2020 with a young side already in finals or a basket case on and off field in a cesspool for sporting franchises. There is no decision to make whatsoever.

Unfortunately next year's draw will have more games against top 8 sides.

There's only 5 double up games a season, every team plays at least 2 of those against last years top 8 even if you finish bottom 8, if you finish it the top 8 you get 3. Soft draw calls based on purely that are that are pretty irrelevant. (Note you do get lucky sometimes with the bottom 8 double ups you get)

Where do people get this crap from, beyond belief.
The premiership table is divided 3 ways, 1-6, 7-12,13-18. You play 3 double ups against other teams in your group of 6 and then you play one double up game against a team from both of the other groups.

You sure about this. I would say if carlton finished first and essendon collingwood richmond finished bottom 3 we would still double up against them the following season for max crowds, ratings and revenue[/quote]
He is spot on.
Essendon only played Richmond once this year and in recent years we have played both Carlton and Collingwood once in a season.
They do make sure that there are double ups of Showdowns, Derby's etc and usually one of the traditional vic rivals

[hawks21]

They didn't score for over 60 minutes and our back line wasn't working?

Listen,it was the forwards and midfields kicking at goal and not the defensive unit that let us down. That's it.

Because Port got on top in the midfield and Eagles didn't move the ball quick enough.

Port play a very defensive style of football. Westoff started loose in defensive and the amount of numbers Port get behind the ball always make it difficult for the opposition tall forwards. When teams move the ball quickly it exposes the Port defenders one on one which is a weakness IMO.

Also, i think it's a fair argument that if Trengrove played, he either keeps McGovern accountable (who had 15 marks) or breaks even with one of those tall forwards. Ryder went missing when it counted which didn't help.

In saying that, Port should have won and Dixon should have gone down as one of the best final performances ever!

[Lightning McQueen]

At the end of the day I don't think Port were in top 8 best teams getting around this season, sure, on their day they can be quite brilliant but on median form they would rank around 10th IMO.

They will have a tougher draw next season so the younger players that have developed this season will need to improve on that again if they are to be a force, I think 2019 might be the opening of their 5 year window.

[Spargo]

Port should have won and Dixon should have gone down as one of the best final performances ever!

Both of these would've happened if he kicked 6.3 instead of 3.6

[Jack]

Port Minor round

2016 [10th]
10 win
12 lose
2055 for
1939 against
106.40 %

2017 [5th]
14 win
8 lose
2168 for
1671 against
129.70 %

Port had a good season improving 5 spots on the 2016 finish
Were 31 points down in the 2nd qtr against West Coast and almost won , a great effort , somewhat overlooked
From what I saw I could not question the commitment of the players

It would be fair to say that Ports season was probably over expectation
Pre -season I had thought somewhere between 8-12 wins
I had very little expectation of Port Adelaide winning the 2017 premiership

My conclusion is
The supporters should be reasonably proud of the improvement
The coach should be commended
Anyone else within the club that is disappointed with this seasons progress is possibly aiming to high with expectations

The finals loss to West Coast should be open to some criticism
Its a game Port tried hard enough to win , but did not get the job done

One disappointing loss against a seasons progress
I give Port a 2017 pass mark

[JK]

At the end of the day I don't think Port were in top 8 best teams getting around this season, sure, on their day they can be quite brilliant but on median form they would rank around 10th IMO.

They will have a tougher draw next season so the younger players that have developed this season will need to improve on that again if they are to be a force, I think 2019 might be the opening of their 5 year window.

I would have thought that with the likes of Boak, Ebert, Wines, Hartlett, Wingard, Polec etc., their window should have already been open for a while (especially after what we saw in 2014) - Could be I and others expected too much from some of the players, Im not sure? Most in the footy world expected 2015 to be a big season off the back of sharp improvement but it failed to materialise, that's Port's big challenge next season and they seem well enough equipped with established and promising personnel to make it happen.

[Booney]

They didn't score for over 60 minutes and our back line wasn't working?

Listen,it was the forwards and midfields kicking at goal and not the defensive unit that let us down. That's it.

Because Port got on top in the midfield and Eagles didn't move the ball quick enough.

Port play a very defensive style of football. Westoff started loose in defensive and the amount of numbers Port get behind the ball always make it difficult for the opposition tall forwards. When teams move the ball quickly it exposes the Port defenders one on one which is a weakness IMO.

Also, i think it's a fair argument that if Trengrove played, he either keeps McGovern accountable (who had 15 marks) or breaks even with one of those tall forwards. Ryder went missing when it counted which didn't help.

In saying that, Port should have won and Dixon should have gone down as one of the best final performances ever!

Please explain? Second only to Adelaide for points for.

[Booney]

Port Minor round

2016 [10th]
10 win
12 lose
2055 for
1939 against
106.40 %

2017 [5th]
14 win
8 lose
2168 for
1671 against
129.70 %

Port had a good season improving 5 spots on the 2016 finish
Were 31 points down in the 2nd qtr against West Coast and almost won , a great effort , somewhat overlooked
From what I saw I could not question the commitment of the players

It would be fair to say that Ports season was probably over expectation
Pre -season I had thought somewhere between 8-12 wins
I had very little expectation of Port Adelaide winning the 2017 premiership

My conclusion is
The supporters should be reasonably proud of the improvement
The coach should be commended
Anyone else within the club that is disappointed with this seasons progress is possibly aiming to high with expectations

The finals loss to West Coast should be open to some criticism
Its a game Port tried hard enough to win , but did not get the job done

One disappointing loss against a seasons progress
I give Port a 2017 pass mark

Agreed, attack improved, defence improved, kids were blooded, returned to finals action. On field 2017 > 2016.

[bennymacca]

Regarding kochies comments - I thought Robbo's comments were very good - as a club you win together and lose together - kochie definitely wasn't doing that right after the game.

Definitely seemed to undermine the coaches selection of the younger players over Trengove et al (even though the young lads performed well)

[Lightning McQueen]

At the end of the day I don't think Port were in top 8 best teams getting around this season, sure, on their day they can be quite brilliant but on median form they would rank around 10th IMO.

They will have a tougher draw next season so the younger players that have developed this season will need to improve on that again if they are to be a force, I think 2019 might be the opening of their 5 year window.

I would have thought that with the likes of Boak, Ebert, Wines, Hartlett, Wingard, Polec etc., their window should have already been open for a while (especially after what we saw in 2014) - Could be I and others expected too much from some of the players, Im not sure? Most in the footy world expected 2015 to be a big season off the back of sharp improvement but it failed to materialise, that's Port's big challenge next season and they seem well enough equipped with established and promising personnel to make it happen.

The middle tier is crap IMO, they had to get Ryder and Dixon, not many times a fringe player comes in and has a"best players" performance.

Looking at their list and the ages, only really Westhoff will be on the way out in 2019, a couple of leadership players will be hitting 31.

[Booney]

At the end of the day I don't think Port were in top 8 best teams getting around this season, sure, on their day they can be quite brilliant but on median form they would rank around 10th IMO.

They will have a tougher draw next season so the younger players that have developed this season will need to improve on that again if they are to be a force, I think 2019 might be the opening of their 5 year window.

I would have thought that with the likes of Boak, Ebert, Wines, Hartlett, Wingard, Polec etc., their window should have already been open for a while (especially after what we saw in 2014) - Could be I and others expected too much from some of the players, Im not sure? Most in the footy world expected 2015 to be a big season off the back of sharp improvement but it failed to materialise, that's Port's big challenge next season and they seem well enough equipped with established and promising personnel to make it happen.

The middle tier is crap IMO, they had to get Ryder and Dixon, not many times a fringe player comes in and has a"best players" performance.

Looking at their list and the ages, only really Westhoff will be on the way out in 2019, a couple of leadership players will be hitting 31.

And White and Monfries, neither had much impact this year anyway.

[bennymacca]

The middle tier is crap IMO, they had to get Ryder and Dixon, not many times a fringe player comes in and has a"best players" performance.

Their drafting 3-5 years ago was pretty average besides wines. So they have a few list cloggers that still get games

The kids drafted in the last year or two look good though - bonner, spp, Marshall etc. so it may take another couple of years before they can really challenge

[Lightning McQueen]

The middle tier is crap IMO, they had to get Ryder and Dixon, not many times a fringe player comes in and has a"best players" performance.

Their drafting 3-5 years ago was pretty average besides wines. So they have a few list cloggers that still get games

The kids drafted in the last year or two look good though - bonner, spp, Marshall etc. so it may take another couple of years before they can really challenge

Most definitely, it was good to get SPP, a bit of faith restored in the recruiting department.

[Lightning McQueen]

And White and Monfries, neither had much impact this year anyway.

Exactly, I didn't see the point in holding on to Angus, White I could see some sort of value.

Now there's no trade bait as anyone of this ilk is required.