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Re: Brownlow Medal 2011

Postby Dissident » Wed Sep 28, 2011 10:42 am

In my opinion, there is NEVER, EVER, a 100% clear cut "best and fairest" player in one year. Just as we can use different factors to rank players, we ourselves have different criteria that *we* value. What you think is important might not be what I think is important, or the next person. The games you watched aren't the same as mine. When your team lost a heart-breaking game, or by 150 points, that affects how you view players, too. Not everyone agrees with the film that wins best picture at the Oscars, but only one can (and has) to win.

We look at footy in grey terms - a feeling we have about players, a perception, an image. The Brownlow isn't grey, it's black and white (pardon the pun). Each game is unique and self-contained; who was the best player that game, who was second best, and who was third best. Using this simple decision, a winner is announced at the end of the season.

The mere fact that only *three* players out of the 44 who can take the field can receive votes, makes winning Charlie dependent on at least a little bit of luck.

The one gripe at the moment I have is the fairest part. Hundreds of "unfair" acts/tactics are used each season which are within the rules. To me, that means you didn't play fairly - the notion that if you aren't suspended, you were fair, is ridiculous. And, the fact you *are* suspended means you weren't fair? Crap. With the minor things that happen these days, you can miss out on the award because of a total accident that's considered careless or reckless. Maybe the MRP needs to apply points for each case for "fairness" too.

I don't think there's much that can be done to the Brownlow Medal (apart from the MRP issue), but I think that's part of it's charm - it is what it is. Get in the top three players on the ground in the umpires eyes, and you'll do well. Personally, a 5 4 3 2 1 system creates a bit more accuracy and I'm unsure why it was changed back (can someone tell me?) but I don't know if I want it changed. The count is log enough as it is ;)

Australian Rules Football is an art form - the game has beauty and creativity in my opinion higher than any other in the world.

So judging the "best" is never going to be accurate.
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Postby Turbo » Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:10 pm

The Sleeping Giant wrote:
Media Park wrote:History will show that the fairest and best player in 2010 was Chris Judd.
History will also show that the fairest and best player in 2011 was Dane Swan.
History will not show that the awards were presented arse about face, Swan was the best in '10, and Judd in '11.
But regardless of the apparent fix me up, the fairest and best player of each of the last two years has received due recognition.

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Disagree. I think Swan has been better than Judd the last 2 years. The only reason Judd was fave this year was because he only has to sneeze on the football field to get votes.


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Re: Brownlow Medal 2011

Postby JK » Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:22 pm

Dissident wrote:IThe one gripe at the moment I have is the fairest part. Hundreds of "unfair" acts/tactics are used each season which are within the rules. To me, that means you didn't play fairly - the notion that if you aren't suspended, you were fair, is ridiculous. And, the fact you *are* suspended means you weren't fair? Crap. With the minor things that happen these days, you can miss out on the award because of a total accident that's considered careless or reckless. Maybe the MRP needs to apply points for each case for "fairness" too.


This is a point I constantly make, and to take it further, if a club was looking at a prospective recruit, does anyone really care whether he's a "fair" player or not? As a supporter, if my club was considering a bloke who skirted the boundaries of fairness I couldn't give a rats if he consistently delivered on field.

At all levels of football, I've never heard of any individual club making any of their players ineligible for winning their B&F because they'd been rubbed out.
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Re: Brownlow Medal 2011

Postby Q. » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:14 pm

Turbo wrote:
The Sleeping Giant wrote:
Media Park wrote:History will show that the fairest and best player in 2010 was Chris Judd.
History will also show that the fairest and best player in 2011 was Dane Swan.
History will not show that the awards were presented arse about face, Swan was the best in '10, and Judd in '11.
But regardless of the apparent fix me up, the fairest and best player of each of the last two years has received due recognition.

Butter wouldn't melt... 8)

Disagree. I think Swan has been better than Judd the last 2 years. The only reason Judd was fave this year was because he only has to sneeze on the football field to get votes.


Speaking rubbish thread that way ===>.
Judd is a superstar and deserves the accolades he gets


And you are bias so no-one is listening :lol:
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Re: Brownlow Medal 2011

Postby OnSong » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:20 pm

Turbo wrote:
The Sleeping Giant wrote:
Media Park wrote:History will show that the fairest and best player in 2010 was Chris Judd.
History will also show that the fairest and best player in 2011 was Dane Swan.
History will not show that the awards were presented arse about face, Swan was the best in '10, and Judd in '11.
But regardless of the apparent fix me up, the fairest and best player of each of the last two years has received due recognition.

Butter wouldn't melt... 8)

Disagree. I think Swan has been better than Judd the last 2 years. The only reason Judd was fave this year was because he only has to sneeze on the football field to get votes.


Speaking rubbish thread that way ===>.
Judd is a superstar and deserves the accolades he gets

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Re: Brownlow Medal 2011

Postby Booney » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:37 pm

Turbo wrote:
The Sleeping Giant wrote:
Media Park wrote:History will show that the fairest and best player in 2010 was Chris Judd.
History will also show that the fairest and best player in 2011 was Dane Swan.
History will not show that the awards were presented arse about face, Swan was the best in '10, and Judd in '11.
But regardless of the apparent fix me up, the fairest and best player of each of the last two years has received due recognition.

Butter wouldn't melt... 8)

Disagree. I think Swan has been better than Judd the last 2 years. The only reason Judd was fave this year was because he only has to sneeze on the football field to get votes.


Speaking rubbish thread that way ===>.
Judd is a superstar and deserves the accolades he gets


I've not been in that thread, show me the way,will you? ;)
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Postby The Sleeping Giant » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:50 pm

I'm guessing it's on the Carlton Football Club website.
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Postby Turbo » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:57 pm

Booney wrote:
Turbo wrote:
The Sleeping Giant wrote:
Media Park wrote:History will show that the fairest and best player in 2010 was Chris Judd.
History will also show that the fairest and best player in 2011 was Dane Swan.
History will not show that the awards were presented arse about face, Swan was the best in '10, and Judd in '11.
But regardless of the apparent fix me up, the fairest and best player of each of the last two years has received due recognition.

Butter wouldn't melt... 8)

Disagree. I think Swan has been better than Judd the last 2 years. The only reason Judd was fave this year was because he only has to sneeze on the football field to get votes.


Speaking rubbish thread that way ===>.
Judd is a superstar and deserves the accolades he gets


I've not been in that thread, show me the way,will you? ;)


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Postby Turbo » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:59 pm

The Sleeping Giant wrote:I'm guessing it's on the Carlton Football Club website.


Yeah you might be right mate. Think it's just under the 16 cups link
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Postby The Sleeping Giant » Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:06 pm

42 guys 16 cups. No thanks.
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Re: Brownlow Medal 2011

Postby OnSong » Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:08 pm

The Sleeping Giant wrote:42 guys 16 cups. No thanks.

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Re: Brownlow Medal 2011

Postby Booney » Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:09 pm

Turbo wrote:
The Sleeping Giant wrote:I'm guessing it's on the Carlton Football Club website.


Yeah you might be right mate. Think it's just under the 16 cups link


I just checked the website.

1 - There is no such link.
2 - There is a link to suggest only 1 premiership in the last 20 years?
3 - And there was something about cheating or along those type of lines to get it.

Certainly looked like you didn't bother with any drafting for a while there in the early 00's. Why did you do that? You kept finishing down the bottom of the ladder but changed nothing. Strange.

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Re: Brownlow Medal 2011

Postby OnSong » Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:11 pm

Booney wrote:
Turbo wrote:
The Sleeping Giant wrote:I'm guessing it's on the Carlton Football Club website.


Yeah you might be right mate. Think it's just under the 16 cups link


I just checked the website.

1 - There is no such link.
2 - There is a link to suggest only 1 premiership in the last 20 years?
3 - And there was something about cheating or along those type of lines to get it.

Certainly looked like you didn't bother with any drafting for a while there in the early 00's. Why did you do that? You kept finishing down the bottom of the ladder but changed nothing. Strange.

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Postby Turbo » Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:11 pm

Booney wrote:
Turbo wrote:
The Sleeping Giant wrote:I'm guessing it's on the Carlton Football Club website.


Yeah you might be right mate. Think it's just under the 16 cups link


I just checked the website.

1 - There is no such link.
2 - There is a link to suggest only 1 premiership in the last 20 years?
3 - And there was something about cheating or along those type of lines to get it.

Certainly looked like you didn't bother with any drafting for a while there in the early 00's. Why did you do that? You kept finishing down the bottom of the ladder but changed nothing. Strange.

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Re: Brownlow Medal 2011

Postby Booney » Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:25 pm

Check the Gambling Room mate. Boasting after the event is poor form... ;)
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Postby Turbo » Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:34 pm

Booney wrote:Check the Gambling Room mate. Boasting after the event is poor form... ;)


Get over it mate, I have. Time to lock this one up mods.
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Postby The Sleeping Giant » Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:48 pm

Ya taking ya bat and ball and going?
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Re: Brownlow Medal 2011

Postby Booney » Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:57 pm

Certainly not demonstrating characteristics of someone who is, as they say, "over it".

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Anyway, back to the Brownlow. How did Judd not win it?
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Re: Brownlow Medal 2011

Postby Johno6 » Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:58 pm

This is like when ya tell ya mate ya heard him nick the ball and he says no he didn't and doesn't wanna get given out.
Or he says the auto wickie dropped it
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Re: Brownlow Medal 2011

Postby valleys07 » Wed Sep 28, 2011 4:12 pm

Johno6 wrote:This is like when ya tell ya mate ya heard him nick the ball and he says no he didn't and doesn't wanna get given out.
Or he says the auto wickie dropped it


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