Adelaide Season 2011

[JK]

I was going to pick whufc up on the point about Geelong's recriting too REB. Jimmy and Joel were top 10 picks but StevieJ and Chappy were around pick 30 from memory.

Carlton had all those early picks but would that have been enough without Judd? StK look to have missed their window now and they have a good quota of early picks too.

Not that you are saying this, but in response to whufc's comments about Adelaide's list. Just because there aren't top 10 picks doesn't mean they can't be successful. I reckon Rendell is a good recruiter and I rate Allan Stewart in the background so I am prepared to back the young Crows in from here. That doesn't mean they will be as good as Geelong obviously.

The other relevant comparison is Collingwood. Pendlebury was pick 5 but Heath Shaw 48 and Swan was 58 . I think the Pies are the benchmark now of how to build a strong side without lots of early draft picks.

Crows could have had top 5 draft picks in the last 5 years.

Wouldnt of stopped the fact they managed their list terribly. Allowing 6 30+ players to stay past their use by date and retire at the same time.

When a compromised draft was open us.

DUMB IMHO.

Spot on, and not just dumb but bloody obvious too .. Bewildering

[Media Park]

Adelaide frustrates me.

They have three senior players that I think are keepers, in Thompson, Rutten and Johncock, and a few talented youngsters, Luke Thompson, Dangerfield, Otten, Petrenko, to name a couple...

They need to drop all the dead wood (Doughty for one), and start again.

Like the Gold Coast... How many of their players will be there in three years time? Less than half...

They are bringing a large amount of young players into the system... they are getting a few wins, Prestia, Smith, Weller, but most will get delisted...

Adelaide... Wholesale changes, get a few keepers, drop the deadwood, play the season, repeat process.

[Gingernuts]

Adelaide frustrates me.

They have three senior players that I think are keepers, in Thompson, Rutten and Johncock, and a few talented youngsters, Luke Thompson, Dangerfield, Otten, Petrenko, to name a couple...

They need to drop all the dead wood (Doughty for one), and start again.

Like the Gold Coast... How many of their players will be there in three years time? Less than half...

They are bringing a large amount of young players into the system... they are getting a few wins, Prestia, Smith, Weller, but most will get delisted...

Adelaide... Wholesale changes, get a few keepers, drop the deadwood, play the season, repeat process.

They frustrate you???

There's no hiding from it really. Forget the ladder, Adelaide would be the worst team in the comp IMO. Certainly the worst to watch, and the worst as far as their endeavour goes. They just look like they can't be stuffed.

Geelong basically had their seconds out today, and sparingly used the guns they did have in. Subbing Scarlett 10 mins into the third, that's the ultimate sign of the complete lack of respect that Adelaide commands at the moment, and rightly so.

Deserved to lose by 100+ points today I reckon. I'm very tolerant man and pride myself on watching all games till the end, but today I had to tear my hand away from the remote several times.

[lebron]

During tv commentary for todays game, they said that adel and geel had the same number of players with less than 30 games! Stick that where you know, all you crows supporters and NC who reckon they have such a young and promising list hahaha

[Jim05]

The media hype them up too much, they have the worst midfield in the comp bar none and thats including our insipid midfield.

[Sojourner]

Callinan looked pretty promising today!

The commentary team stated at one point that Geelong had 9 players out today that are yet to come back into the side.

[Gingernuts]

During tv commentary for todays game, they said that adel and geel had the same number of players with less than 30 games! Stick that where you know, all you crows supporters and NC who reckon they have such a young and promising list hahaha

Slight difference between the higher ends of each side though mate. Geelong's rookies aren't expected to be match winners either unlike Adelaide's, they can come into a side cruising at the top of the table and play with freedom and a licence to thrill.

Adelaide does have a promising list, plenty of talent in it IMO. They just need experience. Laugh it up all you like, but you'll find out in a couple of years, trust me.

[lebron]

During tv commentary for todays game, they said that adel and geel had the same number of players with less than 30 games! Stick that where you know, all you crows supporters and NC who reckon they have such a young and promising list hahaha

Slight difference between the higher ends of each side though mate. Geelong's rookies aren't expected to be match winners either unlike Adelaide's, they can come into a side cruising at the top of the table and play with freedom and a licence to thrill.

Adelaide does have a promising list, plenty of talent in it IMO. They just need experience. Laugh it up all you like, but you'll find out in a couple of years, trust me.

This is what I just said. Your list of 'promising' youngsters is middle of the road at best! If you keep NC too, you will not play finals for 5 years!

[Media Park]

I think the difference is that those Geelong players (well most of them), are potential 200+ gamers, and the Crows are not...

I don't mind the Crows, I want them to do well (except against Geelong), but their youngsters are predominantly not that great.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Adelaide does have a promising list, plenty of talent in it IMO. They just need experience. Laugh it up all you like, but you'll find out in a couple of years, trust me.

Uummm, no they don't. If it was that good, guys like Wright and Callinan wouldn't be getting a sniff. How many recent Crow draft picks are toiling away in the SANFL.

[prowling panther]

Well after today, I am going to start watching the Power games on TV.

I would rather watch them stumble bum around, than sit through the pain and agony of watching the Crows get humiliated each week.

what am I saying.....yep I think I will.

[Gingernuts]

Adelaide does have a promising list, plenty of talent in it IMO. They just need experience. Laugh it up all you like, but you'll find out in a couple of years, trust me.

Uummm, no they don't. If it was that good, guys like Wright and Callinan wouldn't be getting a sniff. How many recent Crow draft picks are toiling away in the SANFL.

Current team results are not an indicator of promise or potential. If that was the case then half of Geelong's list would've been delisted 7 or 8 years ago. Likewise with Collingwood.

Sure there's some dead wood, but to dismiss blokes like Sloane, Petrenko, Dangerfield, Otten, L Thompson, Tippett, Walker, McKernan, Jaench, Martin, Smith, et al on the merit of 0 - 80 games is ludicrous.

Tell me MP - how many of Geelong's youngsters have come in to hold down a key position with no support from game 0? How many are required to be match winners despite their lack of experience? Take them away from the Cats structure and cool heads of the Geelong veterans and they would look no better than any Adelaide player at the moment. Having a bloke like Scarlett or Ling or Chapman standing next to you gives you untold confidence, it gives you a safety net to play with flair and without restriction or expectation.

I get the enjoyment factor of picking over the corpse. I understand that opposition supporters a loving the fact that they can dine out on an ordinary Adelaide outfit and give it to all those smart arse no idea Crows fans that have been giving them the shits for years.

Go for it by all means. This side will be back in the hunt one day though, with the core players being from the list above, plus a few more that will be drafted in the next couple of years. It only takes a basic understanding of the way the AFL competition is managed to recognise this.

[Media Park]

I'm not dismissing them all bro, and there's no arguments that Selwood, Harry Taylor, Stokes and Varcoe would have had a heck of a harder time coming into footy if they were playing for an Adelaide-type team. Same thing that's happening now, with those guys supporting Vardy, Menzel, Duncan, etc...

There are some young Crows, especially Danger, Otten and Luke Thompson IMO that will have long successful careers, and they would be better players had they started in a more successful side, but the majority of the Crows youth is not (again only IMO) going to go past the 100 games barrier... Unless Craig stays on, and tries to prove a point with them.

[whufc]

Once again Petrenko hack!!!!!

Loved when he played against Central this year, he played as the loose man in defence, Lairdy didnt bother to negate him because every time he got the ball was as good as us having it.

Disgrace he can get an AFL game when so many better young footballers are deprived an oppurtunity.

This is why the crows are carp, carp recruiting and carp list management.

[Reddeer]

Only interest left in this season is whether Crows will win another game?

[Jim05]

Only interest left in this season is whether Crows will win another game?

They have us over here in a few weeks, the Crows can safely chalk in that one

[The Sleeping Giant]

Sure there's some dead wood, but to dismiss blokes like Sloane, Petrenko, Dangerfield, Otten, L Thompson, Tippett, Walker, McKernan, Jaench, Martin, Smith, et al on the merit of 0 - 80 games is ludicrous.

I can safely dismiss half that lot you mentioned. The other half are 50/50.

This is the problem with the Crows. They think some of these blokes will become something. The Crows remind me of Richmond a few years back. Carrying some duds for too long.

[whufc]

Sure there's some dead wood, but to dismiss blokes like Sloane, Petrenko, Dangerfield, Otten, L Thompson, Tippett, Walker, McKernan, Jaench, Martin, Smith, et al on the merit of 0 - 80 games is ludicrous.

I can safely dismiss half that lot you mentioned. The other half are 50/50.

This is the problem with the Crows. They think some of these blokes will become something. The Crows remind me of Richmond a few years back. Carrying some duds for too long.

Would that half include Petrenko, Jaench, Martin, Smith, McKernan

Yes i do i like the comparison to Richmond very very very similar.

[Q.]

Harsh on a few of those. McKernan's first full season of AFL and will only get better. Jaensch has some of the best foot skills in the entire team and is a keeper.

[cripple]

During tv commentary for todays game, they said that adel and geel had the same number of players with less than 30 games! Stick that where you know, all you crows supporters and NC who reckon they have such a young and promising list hahaha

I would assume they backed that statement up with comparing the amount of 100+ gamers in both sides as well as premiership players.