Memo to Craigy - "It is Time For Change"

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Re: Memo to Craigy - "It is Time For Change"

Postby leftlegger » Mon Jul 02, 2007 11:44 am

Your mates right Hondo,

Definately agree with SD.
Time for Maric to be given a go.
I like the sound of Griffen up forward. Not sure if Gill is ready for promotion (North supporters would know more)
Unfortunately for us bay supporters Douglas should be now allowed to establish himself in the lineup.
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Re: Memo to Craigy - "It is Time For Change"

Postby Interceptor » Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:14 pm

Add Scott Thompson to the list of ineffective players.
Gets a lot of it, but burns it more often than not.

Some of his disposal simply isn't AFL standard.
Needs remedial action to improve his decision making.

Too many Crows players' first instinct is to look sideways for teammate, as they are not prepared to take the responsibility to look forward and try and find a leading player. Then yesterday when someone finally takes the kick it's way off target.

Won't beat the Eagles for the next 5 years with the sort of system on display yesterday.
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Re: Memo to Craigy - "It is Time For Change"

Postby Psyber » Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:37 pm

Here's my go as amateur selector:

F; STEVENS GRIFFIN Porplyzia
HF;ROO BOCK Thompson
C; ARCHARD EDWARDS KNIGHTS
HB; JOHNCOCK McGREGOR McLEOD
B; MASSIE RUTTEN REILLY

int; Maric Hinge Vince Mattner

R1; Hudson Van Berlo Douglas
R2; Maric Thompson Porplyzia

Massie is there because I haven't found another option if Bassett is out.
Burton would be automatically in but only if fit.
Not sure if Johncock will be fit - Mattner may then get the spot for now.
I did wonder about swapping Griffin and Bock..
Edwards has plently of people to go sideways to from there, and he is good at digging it out of tight spots.
[That possibly also applies to Torney.]

Have I missed anybody who should be in?
Is there a spot for Goodwin if he ever gets genuinely fit? HBF? B/Pocket?
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Re: Memo to Craigy - "It is Time For Change"

Postby JK » Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:43 pm

I reckon it's hard to know which is the "chicken" and which is the "egg" at Crowland ... Does Craigy's gameplan prevent players from flourishing, or does he have to play the style he does due to the limited ability of the personnel at his disposal?

Most people tend to believe the Crows have overachieved with their list since Craigy took control, which might tend to suggest it's the latter?
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Re: Memo to Craigy - "It is Time For Change"

Postby Armytank » Mon Jul 02, 2007 12:58 pm

I went to the crows for the first time this year yesterday, I am not a supporter but it is hard not to follow them with the media saturation in Adelaide.

Firstly, I don't like slagging players but one person stood out yesterday and IMO cost Adelaide the game. Ken McGregor cost Adelaide 5 goals in turning the ball over through skill errors/too slow/poor decision making through out the game. In the first quarter he was at full forward and continued to lead up the ground with the rest of the small forwards leaving nothing but West Coast players in the goal square. Stay in the square Kenny because you are not quick enough to push back after the initial lead. Stay in the square and contest the ball for the small blokes to crumb but unfortunately I think AFL is now past you.

Secondly, five minutes into the third quarter the game was all but over. The only reason I thought that the crows were that close to West Coast at 3/4 time was due to Scott Welsh. I thought he single handedly lifted the crows playing group through out the third quarter with his chasing down and tackling and all over forward line pressure. I thought the West Coast could have kicked 3 or 4 more goals that quarter without that pressure. He was not getting alot of the ball due to the fact that the skill level of the crows was below poor, a small forward is not going to take marks if the midfield cannot kick it to him effectively. I thought it was good to see him try to have an impact on the game in some way if he couldn't get his hands on the ball.

But then again I really don't know much about football as I am sure you are all about to tell me................
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Re: Memo to Craigy - "It is Time For Change"

Postby JK » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:07 pm

I think the Crows really need to target different types of players in the draft and do everything within their power to be active in the trade period ... If that means paying over the odds for youngsters (I should I say "YoungStars") like Waters and Hurn then so be it, as the current group is not going to seriously challenge for a flag.
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Re: Memo to Craigy - "It is Time For Change"

Postby Psyber » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:15 pm

Interesting post AT.

From over here I only see the little that is on TV. I had occasionally wondered whether Welsh would be useful if the Crows didn't insist on trying to use him as a FF target. He seems to be too easily blanketed if the ball doesn't come in fast and accurate. He gets his big scores only when the Crows midfield is winning and can deliver well.

McGregor - I had assumed that if they played him forward at all he would stay in the goal square for the contests and let the smaller guys lead and crumb. He does seem to have a bit of trouble deciding what to do otherwise. Generally I think he is best at CHB where he doesn't have to turn around - so long as whe have someone obvious up forward for him to kick to or alongside him to handball to. He does at least contest when he is near the ball, and bring it to ground, and he will pick up frees for being manhandled.
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Re: Memo to Craigy - "It is Time For Change"

Postby Armytank » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:31 pm

Psyber wrote:Interesting post AT.

I had occasionally wondered whether Welsh would be useful if the Crows didn't insist on trying to use him as a FF target.

McGregor - He does at least contest when he is near the ball, and bring it to ground, and he will pick up frees for being manhandled.


I think that Welsh's overall stats would reduce certainly but I think we would see an increase in tackles, smothers, shepherds and handballs if he were to stay in the side as a "non" target. I thought his work rate to keep the ball inside the forward 50m is something a few team mates could learn from.

McGregor - what you have said is exactly what I thought but not what was shown. On a number of aoocasions he found himself outside of the 50m arc without the ball being kicked to him and from there on he is useless. On each of those occasions the ball was then bombed over his head to a position where he should have been. From there he could have as you said, contest the ball and bring it to ground at the very least.

After the first or second time I would have thought the runner would have been out but I reckon it would have happened 4 or 5 times in the first quarter, with no sign of the runner to change things. :?
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Re: Memo to Craigy - "It is Time For Change"

Postby NFC » Mon Jul 02, 2007 1:58 pm

Interceptor wrote:Add Scott Thompson to the list of ineffective players.
Gets a lot of it, but burns it more often than not.

Some of his disposal simply isn't AFL standard.
Needs remedial action to improve his decision making.

Far too harsh on Thommo. He’s leading our B&F this year and yet he had a shocker yesterday but he’s been superb all year.
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Re: Memo to Craigy - "It is Time For Change"

Postby Hondo » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:35 pm

Constance_Perm wrote:I reckon it's hard to know which is the "chicken" and which is the "egg" at Crowland ... Does Craigy's gameplan prevent players from flourishing, or does he have to play the style he does due to the limited ability of the personnel at his disposal?

Most people tend to believe the Crows have overachieved with their list since Craigy took control, which might tend to suggest it's the latter?


Given that in 2004 things were looking very ordinary for us, missing the 8 and playing badly, and Craigy then morphed the guys in to Prelim final level for the last 2 seasons suggests he has done something right. It's been the work with the mid-tier players and the youngsters where he has made his mark. I think things started going wrong injury-wise late last season and that interrupted last year's great run and now in 2007 we are really missing Biglands and hentschell. Hentschell was coming along as a quality key forward and what's one of the main gaps this year .. key forward.

As has been mentioned several times throughout the season we also lack IMO a slick, highly skilled, quick midfielder or 2. In the midfield, we are very workman-like as Sydney are but teams with arguably more natural talent are starting to run over the top of us.

On the positive - the stats on Sunday showed we won in contested possessions and clearances, so if we can dispose of the footy better it's not too far away.

The 4 games v Geelong, Kangaroos, WC and Hawks always looked v tough given that all are in the 8 and 3 are in the top 4. If we can possibly snag the Hawks then things won't look so bad. Whether or not we can match the top 4 in 2007 come finals time looks very questionable right now.
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Re: Memo to Craigy - "It is Time For Change"

Postby Booney » Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:53 pm

*snigger snigger*

The knives are out,and I for one am loooooooooving it!

Close that premiership window boy's,the draft coming in is discontent.

*snigger snigger*
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Re: Memo to Craigy - "It is Time For Change"

Postby Dutchy » Mon Jul 02, 2007 3:58 pm

Lets look at some stats for the Crows...they are averaging 82 points per game but when you break it down they are only averaging 74 ppg at AAMI this season, yet away from home they seem to play with a lot more freedom and are averaging 90 ppg.

Alos interesting that of their wins only 2 have been against teams currently in the TOP 8 (a 2-4 Record against Top 8 teams and a 5-2 against teams outside the 8)
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Re: Memo to Craigy - "It is Time For Change"

Postby Interceptor » Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:32 pm

Another criticism I had yesterday was the key forwards in Bock and McGregor insisted on leading deep into the pocket at each end that was the tougher for the right footers to goal from.

I release there are probably attack plays from preferred sides of the ground (with wind conditions sometimes being a factor), but surely the percentage tactic is to lead out straight (where possible) or lead to the left pocket to increase the odds of conversion for right footers.
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Re: Memo to Craigy - "It is Time For Change"

Postby JK » Mon Jul 02, 2007 5:36 pm

hondo71 wrote:
Constance_Perm wrote:I reckon it's hard to know which is the "chicken" and which is the "egg" at Crowland ... Does Craigy's gameplan prevent players from flourishing, or does he have to play the style he does due to the limited ability of the personnel at his disposal?

Most people tend to believe the Crows have overachieved with their list since Craigy took control, which might tend to suggest it's the latter?


Given that in 2004 things were looking very ordinary for us, missing the 8 and playing badly, and Craigy then morphed the guys in to Prelim final level for the last 2 seasons suggests he has done something right. It's been the work with the mid-tier players and the youngsters where he has made his mark. I think things started going wrong injury-wise late last season and that interrupted last year's great run and now in 2007 we are really missing Biglands and hentschell. Hentschell was coming along as a quality key forward and what's one of the main gaps this year .. key forward.

As has been mentioned several times throughout the season we also lack IMO a slick, highly skilled, quick midfielder or 2. In the midfield, we are very workman-like as Sydney are but teams with arguably more natural talent are starting to run over the top of us.

On the positive - the stats on Sunday showed we won in contested possessions and clearances, so if we can dispose of the footy better it's not too far away.

The 4 games v Geelong, Kangaroos, WC and Hawks always looked v tough given that all are in the 8 and 3 are in the top 4. If we can possibly snag the Hawks then things won't look so bad. Whether or not we can match the top 4 in 2007 come finals time looks very questionable right now.


Fair assessment mate ... I hope it didn't sound like I was being critical of Craigy because that wasn't my intention at all.

He's done a wonderful job to get that list up to where it has been for the past two seasons, and the injuries you speak of have indeed been impacted on performance to some degree ... I just wonder if the Crows tried to play any other style of game, with the list they currently have, would they be less competitive (I reckon so), in which case it suggest Craigy has done/is doing a good job.
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Re: Memo to Craigy - "It is Time For Change"

Postby Hondo » Mon Jul 02, 2007 6:39 pm

Constance_Perm wrote:Fair assessment mate ... I hope it didn't sound like I was being critical of Craigy because that wasn't my intention at all.


Nah ... fair questions being asked and another fair commentary I reckon CP
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Re: Memo to Craigy - "It is Time For Change"

Postby NFC » Mon Jul 02, 2007 7:12 pm

Booney wrote:*snigger snigger*

The knives are out,and I for one am loooooooooving it!

Close that premiership window boy's,the draft coming in is discontent.

*snigger snigger*

Gooooooooooo and get stuffed! ;)
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