Port vs Saints

[power01]

the saints have under achieving for many years............bad club, bad culture, bad attitude...........

[Dutchy]

Need a high profile coach
Need to make the MCG thier home ground
They are DOOMED

The Saints had a high profile coach until the board of the club which included Grant Thomas gave him the sack in order that Thomas could be appointed coach. It would appear that the Karma of the Football Gods bit deeply over that one.

St Kilda have no chance of making the MCG their own home ground when at their "home" matches they are consistantly outnumbered by the opposition supporters.

St Kilda are a casualty of the fact of their being too many clubs in Melbourne, to make the climb up the ladder they need a signficant increase in cash flow to get the right staff, equipment and training facilities. Any current AFL club that cannot maintain the standard of the personel and facilities of either the West Coast Eagles or the Adelaide Crows is going to struggle to make the climb into the Eight. Melbourne, Richmond, North Melbourne, Hawthorn and the former member of the big three Carlton, are all facing the same problems in various forms, the key is to hang in their long enough until a competitor folds allowing you to access their supporter base and corporate funding.

What and absloute lot of tripe....NFI

[Hondo]

It may not be the cause of St Kilda's woes currently (which I think are mostly to do with injuries), but Sojourner is right IMO that having 10 clubs in one city stretches the resources too thin. I know I have said this before but finals' results since 1997 show that the 6 non-Victorian ('NV') teams have had an alarmingly better record than the other 10. In the 10 seasons since 1997, NV teams have won 7 of the 10 premierships and have no Vic team has made the big day since Collingwood got smashed in 2003. In that time, only 2 GF's have not involved a NV team.

Maybe that's just a trend that will reverse in time, but this season looks like going the same way. How long will it go on until the number of teams in one city is looked at seriously? I know I have banged this drum a few times before but I think you dismissed Sojourner too quickly Dutchy.

[mal]

The Victorian clubs dont have a home ground advantage as do Interstate clubs.
A few Victorian clubs give up home games to play Interstate for $$$$$$$$$$$$
If Interstate teams had to play at
Victoria park
Moorabin
Windy Hill
Arden street
Glenferrie
then results would be different

Vicorian based teams are too disadvantaged these days compared to the last millenuim.

LOOK at the Kangarooteds, give thier draw to Fraudmantle and the FRauds would be
getting early draft picks in 2008

The Kangarooteds have been given the impossible draw in 2007

[power01]

The Victorian clubs dont have a home ground advantage as do Interstate clubs.
A few Victorian clubs give up home games to play Interstate for $$$$$$$$$$$$
If Interstate teams had to play at
Victoria park
Moorabin
Windy Hill
Arden street
Glenferrie
then results would be different

Vicorian based teams are too disadvantaged these days compared to the last millenuim.

LOOK at the Kangarooteds, give thier draw to Fraudmantle and the FRauds would be
getting early draft picks in 2008

The Kangarooteds have been given the impossible draw in 2007

This is a situation the greedy Victorian clubs has created themselves...........honestly if the shoe was on the other foot and the interstate clubs where struggling do you think the Victorian clubs would give a toss...
simple answer no.........care factor for struggling (and many under performing Victorian clubs) is nil...

[Sojourner]

The Victorian clubs dont have a home ground advantage as do Interstate clubs.
A few Victorian clubs give up home games to play Interstate for $$$$$$$$$$$$
If Interstate teams had to play at
Victoria park
Moorabin
Windy Hill
Arden street
Glenferrie
then results would be different

Carlton used to give the Crows hell at Princes Park! Nullifying the vic clubs personal home ground advantage is a huge bonus for both the Crows and Power.

[Booney]

Back to the topic,Port played the horrible conditions much better than the Saints did.A return to form for our skipper helped too.

The last two years at Port have proved that a huge turn over of players might not hurt as much as a drop in skill level.05 and 06,for those who watched Port play regularly,would have displayed a huge drop in skill from the previous few years,but this season the usual suspects,Burgoyne X2,Cornes X2, have been helped by the increased skill and delivery the Salopek,Symes,Surjan,Bentley,Cassisi.

Lade is in AA form once again,the back half is solid,the White/Tredrea combo is beginning to click.Looks good with the fitter White roaming far and wide and Tredrea filling up the goal square.

With Melbourne and Richmond to come,things are looking good.

[mal]

Back to the topic,Port played the horrible conditions much better than the Saints did.A return to form for our skipper helped too.

The last two years at Port have proved that a huge turn over of players might not hurt as much as a drop in skill level.05 and 06,for those who watched Port play regularly,would have displayed a huge drop in skill from the previous few years,but this season the usual suspects,Burgoyne X2,Cornes X2, have been helped by the increased skill and delivery the Salopek,Symes,Surjan,Bentley,Cassisi.

Lade is in AA form once again,the back half is solid,the White/Tredrea combo is beginning to click.Looks good with the fitter White roaming far and wide and Tredrea filling up the goal square.

With Melbourne and Richmond to come,things are looking good.

Give credit where credit is due
Port Power well done, well coached, a good game plan to recover from the loss of so many star players
No 18 man defensive plays, just instictive good footy

[Dutchy]

Need a high profile coach
Need to make the MCG thier home ground
They are DOOMED

The Saints had a high profile coach until the board of the club which included Grant Thomas gave him the sack in order that Thomas could be appointed coach. It would appear that the Karma of the Football Gods bit deeply over that one.

St Kilda have no chance of making the MCG their own home ground when at their "home" matches they are consistantly outnumbered by the opposition supporters.

St Kilda are a casualty of the fact of their being too many clubs in Melbourne, to make the climb up the ladder they need a signficant increase in cash flow to get the right staff, equipment and training facilities. Any current AFL club that cannot maintain the standard of the personel and facilities of either the West Coast Eagles or the Adelaide Crows is going to struggle to make the climb into the Eight. Melbourne, Richmond, North Melbourne, Hawthorn and the former member of the big three Carlton, are all facing the same problems in various forms, the key is to hang in their long enough until a competitor folds allowing you to access their supporter base and corporate funding.

What and absloute lot of tripe....NFI

alright let me make some points here -

Saints membership in 2006 was 32,327 7th in the AFL above Brisbane, Carlton, Geelong, Sydney, Richmond and if SANFL members were taken out Port, in fact they are only 200 behind Essendon! So how are they consistently outnumbered at their home games?
Saints arent short of money, Ive never heard this and they have some very influential financial backers...some proof would be nice
OK heres some proof, Collingwood have better facilities than the interstate clubs, hasnt given them anything
So what has Adelaide's great facilities achieved since 98? I dont think the facilities makes you a better footballer
so your saying the business plan of victorian clubs at the moment is to hang in there so they can take over a fallen club?...FFS get some sense

look forward to your reply

[McAlmanac]

Need a high profile coach
Need to make the MCG thier home ground
They are DOOMED

The Saints had a high profile coach until the board of the club which included Grant Thomas gave him the sack in order that Thomas could be appointed coach. It would appear that the Karma of the Football Gods bit deeply over that one.

St Kilda have no chance of making the MCG their own home ground when at their "home" matches they are consistantly outnumbered by the opposition supporters.

St Kilda are a casualty of the fact of their being too many clubs in Melbourne, to make the climb up the ladder they need a signficant increase in cash flow to get the right staff, equipment and training facilities. Any current AFL club that cannot maintain the standard of the personel and facilities of either the West Coast Eagles or the Adelaide Crows is going to struggle to make the climb into the Eight. Melbourne, Richmond, North Melbourne, Hawthorn and the former member of the big three Carlton, are all facing the same problems in various forms, the key is to hang in their long enough until a competitor folds allowing you to access their supporter base and corporate funding.

What and absloute lot of tripe....NFI

alright let me make some points here -

Saints membership in 2006 was 32,327 7th in the AFL above Brisbane, Carlton, Geelong, Sydney, Richmond and if SANFL members were taken out Port, in fact they are only 200 behind Essendon! So how are they consistently outnumbered at their home games?
Saints arent short of money, Ive never heard this and they have some very influential financial backers...some proof would be nice
OK heres some proof, Collingwood have better facilities than the interstate clubs, hasnt given them anything
So what has Adelaide's great facilities achieved since 98? I dont think the facilities makes you a better footballer
so your saying the business plan of victorian clubs at the moment is to hang in there so they can take over a fallen club?...FFS get some sense

look forward to your reply

I mostly agree with you Dutchy.

St Kilda has a LOT of supporters. They are fervent. When it comes to corporate dollars, they are far more glamourous and appealing than Melbourne, the Kangaroos, Hawthorn, Geelong, the Bulldogs or even Richmond.

I must say that Collingwood's ooh-aah facilities (ie. the Lexus Centre) are only a recent addition to the club.

What have Adelaide's facilities achieved? IMHO they have enabled the club to punch above its weight in playing talent by maximising the amount of that talent that gets on the field.

The fallen club thing - that is indeed tripe!

[mal]

How many times in this millenuim has SK played PP on thier home ground ?

[Mr66]

How many times in this millenuim has SK played PP on thier home ground ?

Do you mean IN Victoria?

[mal]

How many times in this millenuim has SK played PP on thier home ground ?

Do you mean IN Victoria?

Yeah in Victoria.

[Thiele]

Just a guess none in Vic either Tas or AMMI

[mal]

Just a guess none in Vic either Tas or AMMI

Now ******* tell RUCCI

[Thiele]

Just a guess none in Vic either Tas or AMMI

Now f****** tell RUCCI

He won't listen

[Dutchy]

How many times in this millenuim has SK played PP on thier home ground ?

twice in 2001 & 2002

overall -

AAMI 6
TD 3
Wav 3
YP 4

So if you discount Tassie they have played 6 on each others home ground

[mal]

How many times in this millenuim has SK played PP on thier home ground ?

twice in 2001 & 2002

overall -

AAMI 6
TD 3
Wav 3
YP 4

So if you discount Tassie they have played 6 on each others home ground

last 10 games would be mostly tassie and aami

[Dutchy]

# Year Rd Team Score Versus Score Gnd Result Marg
1 2007 5 St Kilda 6.7 (43) vs Port Adel 14.12 (96) AAMI Lost -53
2 2006 16 St Kilda 8.16 (64) vs Port Adel 8.12 (60) YP WON 4
3 2006 4 St Kilda 18.10 (118) vs Port Adel 19.8 (122) AAMI Lost -4
4 2005 11 St Kilda 11.15 (81) vs Port Adel 16.8 (104) YP Lost -23
5 2004 1PF St Kilda 13.10 (88) vs Port Adel 14.10 (94) AAMI Lost -6
6 2004 14 St Kilda 7.5 (47) vs Port Adel 14.9 (93) YP Lost -46
7 2003 12 St Kilda 7.15 (57) vs Port Adel 15.9 (99) YP Lost -42
8 2002 18 St Kilda 9.9 (63) vs Port Adel 16.9 (105) AAMI Lost -42
9 2002 3 St Kilda 8.8 (56) vs Port Adel 20.19 (139) TD Lost -83
10 2001 19 St Kilda 16.18 (114) vs Port Adel 19.11 (125) TD Lost -11

2 of the last 10 at the DOOM

[mal]

# Year Rd Team Score Versus Score Gnd Result Marg
1 2007 5 St Kilda 6.7 (43) vs Port Adel 14.12 (96) AAMI Lost -53
2 2006 16 St Kilda 8.16 (64) vs Port Adel 8.12 (60) YP WON 4
3 2006 4 St Kilda 18.10 (118) vs Port Adel 19.8 (122) AAMI Lost -4
4 2005 11 St Kilda 11.15 (81) vs Port Adel 16.8 (104) YP Lost -23
5 2004 1PF St Kilda 13.10 (88) vs Port Adel 14.10 (94) AAMI Lost -6
6 2004 14 St Kilda 7.5 (47) vs Port Adel 14.9 (93) YP Lost -46
7 2003 12 St Kilda 7.15 (57) vs Port Adel 15.9 (99) YP Lost -42
8 2002 18 St Kilda 9.9 (63) vs Port Adel 16.9 (105) AAMI Lost -42
9 2002 3 St Kilda 8.8 (56) vs Port Adel 20.19 (139) TD Lost -83
10 2001 19 St Kilda 16.18 (114) vs Port Adel 19.11 (125) TD Lost -11

2 of the last 10 at the DOOM

The prosecution rests its case
No real home ground advantage since 2002