St Kilda chase Ayres

[sydney-dog]

Mal

what I find laughable is how the players have aired their emotions to the media, DEMANDING ANSWERS

If only they showed that level of emotin on the footy field and demanded honesty from each other, then just maybe Thomas might of kept his job

[mal]

Mal

what I find laughable is how the players have aired their emotions to the media, DEMANDING ANSWERS

If only they showed that level of emotin on the footy field and demanded honesty from each other, then just maybe Thomas might of kept his job

The emotion was there, the legs and numbers were not.
You know my feelings, wont matter who coaches as long
as they play at Phony Doom.

[sydney-dog]

Mal

you know my views, the club can do a lot of things right in regards to player management and rehab

selecting Kosi, the Clarke bros, Hamil and Peckett was suicide

you can't keep pointing the finger at external factors until you start to control your own back yard

the saints lost this game at the selection table

[am Bays]

Mal, you have to admit the playing culture at St Kilda is a problem, and I had my rant vis-a-vis leadership etc. I hope you post doesn't imply you thank the "Aints" problems revolve wholly and souly around injuries and Colonial Stadium.

If the club isn't prepared to look at its internal problems in conditioning injury management (will freely admit Adel have been poor in that this year as well) and the intestinal fortitude of the players aka desire won't matter who is coaching them next year as they will be Doomed.

In fact Adelaide show that injuries aren't an excuse as there last half the year has been shocking when it has come to injuries but they have managed to turn it around when it mattered and that was to beat two teams in the top eight.

Mentally strong teams do not lose games when they are leading in the last quarter. A classic example is Adelaide in the '97 GF when by the 15 min mark of teh 2nd quartr they were down to a one man bench....Jamo hammie 1st quarter sampson shoulder in the 2nd quarter... *edit* Sorry Sampson was off with a driver, IIRC, cue S-D to confirm....

Saints should have come over the top of tehm but the resolve of that playing group ws strong enough to withstand that.

[Mr66]

Mal, you have to admit the playing culture at St Kilda is a problem, and I had my rant vis-a-vis leadership etc. I hope you post doesn't imply you thank the "Aints" problems revolve wholly and souly around injuries and Colonial Stadium.

If the club isn't prepared to look at its internal problems in conditioning injury management (will freely admit Adel have been poor in that this year as well) and the intestinal fortitude of the players aka desire won't matter who is coaching them next year as they will be Doomed.

In fact Adelaide show that injuries aren't an excuse as there last half the year has been shocking when it has come to injuries but they have managed to turn it around when it mattered and that was to beat two teams in the top eight.

Mentally strong teams do not lose games when they are leading in the last quarter. A classic example is Adelaide in the '97 GF when by the 15 min mark of teh 2nd quartr they were down to a one man bench....Jamo hammie 1st quarter sampson shoulder in the 2nd quarter...

Saints should have come over the top of tehm but the resolve of that playing group ws strong enough to withstand that.

Therein lies the problem with St.Kilda for 130 years. St.Kilda has the intestinal fortitude of a mayfly,as witnessed
by their '97 Grand Final performance, '98 late season collaspe and the last three seasons.
It can't win flags because it doesn't want to. Simple.
If it wanted to be successful, then it would made the necessary decisions to do so.
A waste of time,space,money & oxygen.

[sydney-dog]

1980 Tassie Medalist

In regards to Adel injury management, the Crows coaching and medical staff had a full understanding of the risks associated with the 4 week additional loading training peroid, the result we did see additonal soft tissue injuries, BUT player welfare has never been an issue and Craigy will not play players who are at risk of compounding an injury.

Macca is a good example, he played with pain and discomfort but their was no risk of further damage

St Kilda have a history of playing players who have not fully recovered from injuries and cause further damage and harm to themselves.

12 mths ago Thomas sacked the entire training services dept but this year he continued to play players who had not fully recovered or completed rehab.

Yes the TD surface is a factor, can it be managed, the answer is also yes, but the club needs to focus on the factors in can control, this includes, rehab, recovery and only playing players when there is no risk of further structual damage

[sydney-dog]

Ross Smith, the 1967 Brownlow Medallist, will head a sub-committee - including Walls, president Rod Butterss, directors Glen Casey and Mark Kellett, former coach Ken Sheldon and chief executive Archie Fraser - which will help the club appoint a new coach.

Harvey announced he will play on in 2007

[am Bays]

Yeah re-reading my post i can see how I chose my words poorly. The managment of a injuries hasn't been bad, the re-injury rate would be low, it has been a poor year for for the number of injuries for the Crows compared to there normal low rates.

However I disagree with Macca based on my knowledge of the injury (which I will admit is poorer than yours). We all know why he played (other injuries), I know the risk of re-injury would have been considered and controlled for but unfortunately "tho holes in the cheese lined up" and he could miss out on a flag....

Anyway this isn't an crows injury management thread, it is another bag Aint Kilda thread.....

lets get back to the task at hand.....

[mal]

Even MALcolm Blight would fail to deliver at this club.

[am Bays]

Even MALcolm Blight would fail to deliver at this club.

How do you know, he was never given a chance.....

[mal]

Even MALcolm Blight would fail to deliver at this club.

How do you know, he was never given a chance.....

Yes he did and got sacked.

[MW]

Even MALcolm Blight would fail to deliver at this club.

How do you know, he was never given a chance.....

Yes he did and got sacked.

I'd hardly call 15 games a "chance"

[mighty_tiger_79]

MALCOLM BLIGHT coaching ST KILDA they would have been lining up for 3 flags this september, now they are on holidays!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Booney]

Wonder if the bull5hit captain rotation policy will stay in place with no Thomas? Is this a 'club' or 'coach' driven initiative? Coach methinks,and will be scrapped as soon as a new coach is appointed.

[MW]

They'll scrap it for sure

[Rik E Boy]

The captaincy rotation policy is a classic example of the reduction of delegated responsibility (apologies boyos, studying management at the moment ). This is a symptom of insecure leadership at the highest level.

Historically, the leader who eptomised this approarch was Adolf Hitler. By blurring lines of responsibilty and implementing an ill defined successon plan, there really was no number two in the Third Reich. This meant that the NSDAP leadership were often competing with one another for Der Fuhrers' favour rather than undermining his leadership. Uncle Adolf did this because he was very insecure and had a massive inferiority complex. He micro managed (particularly towards the end of the Second World War) as he didn't really have the confidence in his underlings to do their jobs.

Perhaps Grant Thomas thought there was only one real captain at the Saints, and that was him. OK, I'll stop now LOL.

regards,

REB

[Booney]

That's some heavy 5hit maaaaaan!

[Blue Boy]

Ross Smith, the 1967 Brownlow Medallist, will head a sub-committee - including Walls, president Rod Butterss, directors Glen Casey and Mark Kellett, former coach Ken Sheldon and chief executive Archie Fraser - which will help the club appoint a new coach.

Harvey announced he will play on in 2007

Im not a Robert Wall fan can - he talks alot of carp !!!!!!

What is he doing on this committee ???

[Dissident]

I loved Saint Nick's quote, saying that Thomas did great, taking them from bottom to where they are now.

Christ Nick, look at the draft picks - including yourself - in that time.
I could coach you lot to an Elimination Loss too.

Reiwoldt, Koschitske, Clarke & Clarke, Dal Santo, Ball, Goddard...

[MW]

I loved Saint Nick's quote, saying that Thomas did great, taking them from bottom to where they are now.

Christ Nick, look at the draft picks - including yourself - in that time.
I could coach you lot to an Elimination Loss too.

Reiwoldt, Koschitske, Clarke & Clarke, Dal Santo, Ball, Goddard...

How many of those players were injured most of the year??? They need to have a long hard look at their fitness and rehab programs