Should the Adelaide Oval redevelopment go ahead?

[Gravel]

I love football.
I play footy and I live and breathe footy.
I love the crows.

YET i've been to AAMI about 5 times my whole life to watch them.
I'm not going to waste a whole day or night on a road trip to West Lakes.
I live South.
I want to go to the pub and have dinner, a few beers, watch a footy game, have a few more beers etc in the city.. ALA Melbs
And i speak for a majority of GEN Y.

A city stadium would pack out... anyone can get to the city with ease from anywhere.
So many people work in the city.
For the future of the city we desperately need footy in the CBD.

I just cannot see any government giving out $$ for new stadium with the new hospital and desal fiasco.

Therefore my point is the AO has to be brought up to a 50k standard for AFL.

MAKE ADELAIDE A PLACE PEOPLE WANT TO COME TO.

This post sums it up. Gen Y are not going to AAMI but will go to AO. Gen Y and the generations that follow will be required to fund footy in the future. Footy has to get them on board.

[AFLflyer]

I have had my say on the other thread, but i will put it down again for the sake of the new thread
Adelaide needs this to succeed for the city!
This will bring life, entertainment, excitement to the heart of Adelaide! Tourists will flock here, Port will sell out games, cricket 20/20 will be massive!!
Businesses will prosper, precints will get bigger, patrons will get used to the idea and flock in their thousands.
The spectators who go to AAMi are older in demographic. Footy in the city will bring back the 18-30 year olds in big numbers.
few drinks with your mates, dinner, walk accross the bridge soaking in the atmosphere and then to the game. That would be perfect, just look at our neighbours at how they enjoy their own city.

Adelaide needs this stadium or we WILL be a laughing stock!!
lets move forward and look at this positively and stop being so pesimistic. There is NO other feasible option, Sports lovers will lose this money. SACA and AFL in this state will all continue to struggle if this falls over, but worse we will continue to be laughed at from a far.

Not meaning to take the piss, but are there any facts in there? Is it worth blowing half a billions dollars to find out that crowds won't increase, tourists wont change their habits, and business will hardly notice the difference?

nah no facts mate, just the reality of what i think this means and what will happen . sometimes you just need to go with progress and take calculated risks. a rarity around here!

[whufc]

Some good points, CK.

As far as bigger crowds going to Adelaide Oval, it generally stacks up. Soccer games at AO usually draw much bigger crowds than a half-empty Hindmarsh. Going back decades, it was generally recognised that crowds at AO would be bigger than for the same game elsewhere.

I'm in favour of the shift, as IMo to pass up half-a billion dollars for a city stadium would be strange. I'm also a cricket lover, but I think it's a win-win for both footy and cricket.

It would also be nice to see something in Adelaide actually get under way.

However, I generally agree with you about AAMI and I think the crowd problem isn't necessarily solved by nshifting grounds.

True, but remember they only play 1-2 games a year at Adelaide Oval so these games are seen to be 'marque' games, they are always against either Sydney or Melbourne two clubs with a bigger following and bigger rivalry with Adelaide.

If you were to play all home games there over time i think you would find crowd attendances wouldnt rise that dramatically especially in the case of soccer where the viewing at Adelaide Oval is ordinary to say the least.

[whufc]

One thing i find interesting about this topic, is that all the people for this are AFL fans who are saying this needs to happen for the good of the crows/power/afl/football in this state.

Ummmmmmmmmmmmm, arent SACA members genereally cricket folk, shouldnt their vote be based around whether this will be a good move for CRICKET in South Australia, i would think there would be more important issues for saca members including the Redbacks performances rather than a re-furbished stadium which currently already fits their needs extremly well.

[The Sleeping Giant]

Correct whufc. It is a football oval not a soccer pitch.

[JK]

Fair call WHUFC, and I think thats why a bit of the argy bargy started before .. At the end of the day most people support whichever suits their own agenda, which is generally just human nature, so it's natural that people come from different angles on a matter like this - I personally dont believe there's a definitive right or wrong here (although I reserve the right to change that opinion lol)

[whufc]

Fair call WHUFC, and I think thats why a bit of the argy bargy started before .. At the end of the day most people support whichever suits their own agenda, which is generally just human nature, so it's natural that people come from different angles on a matter like this - I personally dont believe there's a definitive right or wrong here (although I reserve the right to change that opinion lol)

yeah i agree i can see both sides and point of views, im currently still undecided!

Im leaning towards it would be better for sport in SA to have the massive city based stadium but also feel this would have zero benefits for alot of SACA members who are VIP's at the moment in this debate.

i think thats why from what i have read on here the AFL people who are for this are more 'agressive' in their point of views because they feel threatened in that they dont really have a impact on this decision.

[whufc]

Sorry for the continued posts, im just trying to get a grasp of the situation.

What would be the benefits of the currently proposed re-developed Adelaide Oval for SACA Members who have nothing more than a passing interest in AFL football?

[JK]

As I said earlier today, I couldnt give much of a hoot about the AFL but for selfish reasons I believe this will end up being much better for the SANFL .. But only time will tell on that one I guess.

[JK]

Sorry for the continued posts, im just trying to get a grasp of the situation.

What would be the benefits of the currently proposed re-developed Adelaide Oval for SACA Members who have nothing more than a passing interest in AFL football?

I dont know the answer to that one mate, hence I can understand apprehension from SACA members who's first or only love is cricket

[Q.]

Fair call WHUFC, and I think thats why a bit of the argy bargy started before .. At the end of the day most people support whichever suits their own agenda, which is generally just human nature, so it's natural that people come from different angles on a matter like this - I personally dont believe there's a definitive right or wrong here (although I reserve the right to change that opinion lol)

Probably why it's best to focus on the economic impacts on all parties concerned.

[Jim05]

I can see the economic value on business' around the precinct, but these will come from locals only. I Dont believe for 1 second that interstate tourists are going to flock to AO to watch AFL.

[dedja]

Why not? They flock here to see a couple of Pandas ... apparently

[Jim05]

Why not? They flock here to see a couple of Pandas ... apparently

Yeah but people are trying to compare it to melbourne. Football nuts go to melbourne because you can go to up to 5 games in weekend. I love going over to watch essendon and usually catch a couple of other games aswell. I know heaps of crows/power fans that have road trips to melb for that reason, not as much appeal for interstate supporters unless we can offer two games in a weekend.

[Q.]

I think it was mentioned in the other topic that this redevelopment would have flow-on benefits for grassroots football and cricket clubs. How so?

[D14]

Sorry for the continued posts, im just trying to get a grasp of the situation.

What would be the benefits of the currently proposed re-developed Adelaide Oval for SACA Members who have nothing more than a passing interest in AFL football?

• SACA would be financially better off with not having to run the stadium on it's own.
• A larger stadium with better facilities
• An even better atmosphere for Australian games with larger crowds also for 20/20 games
• More undercover seating

I am not a SACA member so a couple of questions, what are the current benefits for SACA members, why do you buy memberships and how often do you attend the venue?

[Royal City]

Sorry for the continued posts, im just trying to get a grasp of the situation.

What would be the benefits of the currently proposed re-developed Adelaide Oval for SACA Members who have nothing more than a passing interest in AFL football?

• SACA would be financially better off with not having to run the stadium on it's own.
• A larger stadium with better facilities
• An even better atmosphere for Australian games with larger crowds also for 20/20 games
• More undercover seating

I am not a SACA member so a couple of questions, what are the current benefits for SACA members, why do you buy memberships and how often do you attend the venue?

This summer we received about 40 days of state/international cricket , 2 soccer games and some members received free Kings Of Leon tickets. And access to events held at Adelaide Oval over 12 months of the year for $400.

Under the new plan we get access for 5 months of the year and the proposed cost will be $500-

Eventhough it is reported from April to October we dont use the oval . This is the upcoming event schedule for Adelaide OVal usage just for the months of April to May that are free for saca members currently.


International Rugby Sevens Adelaide
02 Apr 2011

SANFL - Sturt v Norwood
08 Apr 2011

SANFL - Eagles v Sturt
15 Apr 2011

SANFL - Central Districts v Norwood
25 Apr 2011

SANFL - North Adelaide v Norwood
13 May 2011

SANFL - Sturt v Glenelg
20 May 2011

[D14]

Sorry for the continued posts, im just trying to get a grasp of the situation.

What would be the benefits of the currently proposed re-developed Adelaide Oval for SACA Members who have nothing more than a passing interest in AFL football?

• SACA would be financially better off with not having to run the stadium on it's own.
• A larger stadium with better facilities
• An even better atmosphere for Australian games with larger crowds also for 20/20 games
• More undercover seating

I am not a SACA member so a couple of questions, what are the current benefits for SACA members, why do you buy memberships and how often do you attend the venue?

This summer we received about 40 days of state/international cricket , 2 soccer games and some members received free Kings Of Leon tickets. And access to events held at Adelaide Oval over 12 months of the year for $400.

Under the new plan we get access for 5 months of the year and the proposed cost will be $500-

Eventhough it is reported from April to October we dont use the oval . This is the upcoming event schedule for Adelaide OVal usage just for the months of April to May that are free for saca members currently.


International Rugby Sevens Adelaide
02 Apr 2011

SANFL - Sturt v Norwood
08 Apr 2011

SANFL - Eagles v Sturt
15 Apr 2011

SANFL - Central Districts v Norwood
25 Apr 2011

SANFL - North Adelaide v Norwood
13 May 2011

SANFL - Sturt v Glenelg
20 May 2011

Copied from the redeveloped website.

SACA membership options

The current rights of existing SACA members will be retained at a redeveloped Adelaide Oval with SACA members entitled to access all domestic and international cricket and SANFL matches played at the Oval as they are now. In addition, existing SACA members will have the opportunity to nominate to take up a new membership product that will entitle them to access all cricket, SANFL and AFL matches played at Adelaide Oval.

Existing members can choose to stay as they are:

[Jim05]

This year we have an NRL match and tge Socceroos v Serbia in June. Not sure if SACA membership covers these

[Gingernuts]

This seems the be a really divisive issue, and I can't really understand why. To me it seems a win for all parties concerned.

I don't want this as a Cricket fan, an AFL fan, or a Crows fan. I want this as a sport loving South Australian. I want to see the most beautiful ground in the country (possibly the world) showcased across Australia and the world more than just a couple of times a year.

I want to have a chance to visit this wonderful stadium and watch top level professional sport more than just a few times a year. I want to make the trip to the ground a real experience, dining out and then walking across the Torrens and through our beautiful parklands.

I'm not into the politics. I'm not a SACA hater, or a Labor lover. I just want this to happen because I'm a proud South Aussie and I want to feel that pride every second weekend (or more often!) as I take in the beauty of our fantastic city and it's oval.

This project shows more vision than any city centre project ever proposed during my lifetime, and it excites me. I just hope people put their politics and personal interests aside and really consider the bigger picture. Instead of being consumed by 'worse case' senarios and conspiracy theories, focus on the 'best case' and the untold potential and opportunities this development could provide.

We could squabble about membership fees, or 5 vs 7 months usage, or drop in pitches. Or we could band together, build this stadium, and then sit back and share a few beers whilst taking in our favourite games at the best sporting arena in the world. The choice is as simple as that IMO.