Who are the real chokers? Port or Crows?

[Leaping Lindner]

Yes we beat the Lions in the QF, but we did not go in as red-hot fav's.
Geelong of last year was more of a "choke", yet I would not label it such, as both the Cats & the Hawks were standouts for the year.
Collingwood came up against an extremely dominant outfit in Brisbane, who were good enough to win 3 i a row.
As for limping into that GF, why do you think the I paid kudos to the medical staff?
The Lions had more jabs in the butt than a group of private school boys.

Yes you did. Also the year before the weather was the only thing that kept you in it. If it had been a sunny day it would have been over at half time.
As for medical staff well I'm sure no Collingwood player ever had a pain killing injection in that finals series

[NFC]

Worst comparison ever.

No question- Port.

[gossipgirl]

i guess everyone has a different definition of what a choke is. I think port and crows dont really qualify as chokers compared to those old victorian sides since the AFL started. At the start of the year most people thought the crows would struggle to make the 8 and the power would be a top 4 side. my definition of a choke is to be up by at least 6 goals at 3qtr time and then get over run in the last qtr. but its good fun to call opposition teams chokers when they lose its all fun banter

[stan]

Yes we beat the Lions in the QF, but we did not go in as red-hot fav's.
Geelong of last year was more of a "choke", yet I would not label it such, as both the Cats & the Hawks were standouts for the year.
Collingwood came up against an extremely dominant outfit in Brisbane, who were good enough to win 3 i a row.
As for limping into that GF, why do you think the I paid kudos to the medical staff?
The Lions had more jabs in the butt than a group of private school boys.

Im not saying you chocked. Im saying it was a 60/40 in favour of collingwood, I was arguing about the fact you called them a red hot or juced up Brisbane. They were ****** that year by the time they go to the GF.

[Macca19]

Worst comparison ever.

No question- Port.

lol. of course!

I mean....Adelaide have been in front in finals by 42, 32, 31, 24 & 24 points and lost, but I suppose they are valiant defeats hey?

You can call it what you like, truth of the matter is both clubs have flopped in finals and lost finals they should have won.

[stan]

Worst comparison ever.

No question- Port.

lol. of course!

I mean....Adelaide have been in front in finals by 42, 32, 31, 24 & 24 points and lost, but I suppose they are valiant defeats hey?

You can call it what you like, truth of the matter is both clubs have flopped in finals and lost finals they should have won.

Touche!

[Psyber]

Worst comparison ever.
No question- Port.

lol. of course!
I mean....Adelaide have been in front in finals by 42, 32, 31, 24 & 24 points and lost, but I suppose they are valiant defeats hey?
You can call it what you like, truth of the matter is both clubs have flopped in finals and lost finals they should have won.

For several years, Adelaide have lost games by running out of puff using a game plan of extreme running to offset their lack of personnel and key players.
They over achieved at times, with this technique, and sometimes fell short of doing so by exhaustion.
Port once had the players and underachieved through poor coaching decisions, like going defensive every time they had a small lead.
Then they pulled off one unexpected win when the President restrained the coach for one season to keep Alan Scott happy.
Since then they have given him full rein and players have responded by failing to turn up too often, and now they are losing the personnel they had.

The real chokers are those at Port who could have replaced the coach around 2002, and perhaps allowed the club to win several premierships...

[NFC]

Worst comparison ever.

No question- Port.

lol. of course!

I mean....Adelaide have been in front in finals by 42, 32, 31, 24 & 24 points and lost, but I suppose they are valiant defeats hey?

You can call it what you like, truth of the matter is both clubs have flopped in finals and lost finals they should have won.

And where did your team finish in those choking years? Last three years we've finished 8th, 5th and 5th.

In at least two of those years you were premiership favourites or close to it. The losses to Sydney and Collingwood >>>>>>>> any of our 'chokes'.

[Macca19]

Worst comparison ever.

No question- Port.

lol. of course!

I mean....Adelaide have been in front in finals by 42, 32, 31, 24 & 24 points and lost, but I suppose they are valiant defeats hey?

You can call it what you like, truth of the matter is both clubs have flopped in finals and lost finals they should have won.

And where did your team finish in those choking years? Last three years we've finished 8th, 5th and 5th.

In at least two of those years you were premiership favourites or close to it. The losses to Sydney and Collingwood >>>>>>>> any of our 'chokes'.

In 05 and 06 you were 'premiership favourites or close to it'. Difference is, we ended up with a flag the year after....youve gone on and lost finals after being 32, 24 & 31 points in front in the three years after being 'premiership favourites or close to it'.

Its funny watching all these Crows fans get their back up and deny deny deny. At least Port fans can admit we choked. You mob find any and every reason to deny it.

[redden whites]

For several years, Adelaide have lost games by running out of puff using a game plan of extreme running to offset their lack of personnel and key players.
They over achieved at times, with this technique, and sometimes fell short of doing so by exhaustion.
Port once had the players and underachieved through poor coaching decisions, like going defensive every time they had a small lead.
Then they pulled off one unexpected win when the President restrained the coach for one season to keep Alan Scott happy.
Since then they have given him full rein and players have responded by failing to turn up too often, and now they are losing the personnel they had.

The real chokers are those at Port who could have replaced the coach around 2002, and perhaps allowed the club to win several premierships...

Possibly the biggest piece of tripe ever written. They ran out of puff???We have been told non-stop that they are the fittest in the league Psyber???Bloody Hell it must be hurting Pysber for you to lower yourself to this level.

[NFC]

Worst comparison ever.

No question- Port.

lol. of course!

I mean....Adelaide have been in front in finals by 42, 32, 31, 24 & 24 points and lost, but I suppose they are valiant defeats hey?

You can call it what you like, truth of the matter is both clubs have flopped in finals and lost finals they should have won.

And where did your team finish in those choking years? Last three years we've finished 8th, 5th and 5th.

In at least two of those years you were premiership favourites or close to it. The losses to Sydney and Collingwood >>>>>>>> any of our 'chokes'.

In 05 and 06 you were 'premiership favourites or close to it'. Difference is, we ended up with a flag the year after....youve gone on and lost finals after being 32, 24 & 31 points in front in the three years after being 'premiership favourites or close to it'.

Its funny watching all these Crows fans get their back up and deny deny deny. At least Port fans can admit we choked. You mob find any and every reason to deny it.

It's okay Macca, your mob can try your best to hand over the tag, everyone with a brain knows it's your tag mate.

[eaglehaslanded]

No doubt at all as to the answer to this question - it's definately the Powder Puff girls from Alberton. The Crows have at least consistently made the finals although there performances haven't been the greatest. The toung kids on the Crows list are only going to improve upon their finals performances with more and more experience - my tip will be a Crows premiership within the next 2-3 years and more tears for those wearing the black, white and teal.

[mal]

Sometimes I think the supporters of both clubs are the real chokers.
The my dick is bigger than your dick mentality goes way too far at times

2007 was an example
I never knew there were that many Geelong supPORTers in SA....


I can recall a few years ago in the Norwood complex in Wood Street
Was watching a GE V PP game
That was the game Ben Graham[?] kicked that 9000 meter goal and GE got up in a thriller
When that goal went thu there was an allmighty roar from the crowd watching it on the TV
When the siren went there was another roar
Im betting that 90% of those people were not GE barrackers, but in fact Crow barrackers

[Psyber]

For several years, Adelaide have lost games by running out of puff using a game plan of extreme running to offset their lack of personnel and key players.
They over achieved at times, with this technique, and sometimes fell short of doing so by exhaustion.
Port once had the players and underachieved through poor coaching decisions, like going defensive every time they had a small lead.
Then they pulled off one unexpected win when the President restrained the coach for one season to keep Alan Scott happy.
Since then they have given him full rein and players have responded by failing to turn up too often, and now they are losing the personnel they had.

The real chokers are those at Port who could have replaced the coach around 2002, and perhaps allowed the club to win several premierships...

Possibly the biggest piece of tripe ever written. They ran out of puff???We have been told non-stop that they are the fittest in the league Psyber???Bloody Hell it must be hurting Pysber for you to lower yourself to this level.

Not at all...
The problem with the Crows, and their game plan, has been that it has depended on extensive flooding to offset the lack of enough top players.
That involves running constantly, hence the emphasis on aerobic fitness in the training regimen.
The Crows have performed better than anyone expected for several years, based on the talent in their list, because of the fitness edge.
However, against a good team it comes unstuck because you don't build up as big a lead or shatter their confidence.
So, when you hit the wall the opposition are still there and start to run over you.
The other teams have pushed their fitness along, too, so the style is not as effective as it was a few years ago when it caught many by surprise.

That's why the Crows have tended to beat the lesser teams but go down in the finals against stronger lists.
Hopefully, the time is coming when that will no longer be so.

The Power by contrast have had a better list on paper but not got as much out of it.

[Rik E Boy]

So who has the better list sibe, Adelaide or Collingwood? I reckon "The Crows have performed better than anyone expected for several years, based on the talent in their list, because of the fitness edge." is a bit of a copout. Was fitness the issue against Collingwood last week, even though they had a couple of extra days to prepare for the match and the Crowies coming off a waltz at AAMI as well?

regards,

REB

[Psyber]

So who has the better list sibe, Adelaide or Collingwood? I reckon "The Crows have performed better than anyone expected for several years, based on the talent in their list, because of the fitness edge." is a bit of a copout. Was fitness the issue against Collingwood last week, even though they had a couple of extra days to prepare for the match and the Crowies coming off a waltz at AAMI as well?

regards,
REB

The Crows have not had that "fitness edge" this year. The gap had started to close in the last two years as other teams ramped up.
Overall fitness was not purely the issue against Collingwood last week, but the lack of it by some of the older players showed once Knights was taken out of the mix.
McLeod, Edwards, and Burton were struggling late in the game - Burton for most of it from what I saw on TV.
Another factor is that because of the Crows manpower issues they have focused over the last several years on avoiding the man on man game.
The lack of manpower and skills in this area has let them down in the finals each year. The need to rectify this deficiency for next year.

Their list has improved as younger player develop, and the game plan needs to be modified accordingly.
The change to the game plan this year was a little belated, and presumably because of that, they did not sustain it under the pressure well applied in the second half by Collingwood..
They were also sloppy in the second quarter, bombing the ball in long and hoping for marks from Tippett and Burton that did not occur because of Collingwood's disciplined defence.
They had run it in better in the first quarter.
[Perhaps the couple of easy wins had made them too confident in that marking ability.]

I don't know Collingwood's players well enough to compare the lists but I think Collingwood's style of play worked better.

[Ruben Carter]

So who has the better list sibe, Adelaide or Collingwood? I reckon "The Crows have performed better than anyone expected for several years, based on the talent in their list, because of the fitness edge." is a bit of a copout. Was fitness the issue against Collingwood last week, even though they had a couple of extra days to prepare for the match and the Crowies coming off a waltz at AAMI as well?

regards,
REB

The Crows have not had that "fitness edge" this year. The gap had started to close in the last two years as other teams ramped up.
Overall fitness was not purely the issue against Collingwood last week, but the lack of it by some of the older players showed once Knights was taken out of the mix.
McLeod, Edwards, and Burton were struggling late in the game - Burton for most of it from what I saw on TV.
Another factor is that because of the Crows manpower issues they have focused over the last several years on avoiding the man on man game.
The lack of manpower and skills in this area has let them down in the finals each year. The need to rectify this deficiency for next year.

Their list has improved as younger player develop, and the game plan needs to be modified accordingly.
The change to the game plan this year was a little belated, and presumably because of that, they did not sustain it under the pressure well applied in the second half by Collingwood..
They were also sloppy in the second quarter, bombing the ball in long and hoping for marks from Tippett and Burton that did not occur because of Collingwood's disciplined defence.
They had run it in better in the first quarter.
[Perhaps the couple of easy wins had made them too confident in that marking ability.]

I don't know Collingwood's players well enough to compare the lists but I think Collingwood's style of play worked better.

Psyber to replace Craig at the Crows. What a remarkable analysis, what an incredible cop out ! If you're in a final, are favourites to win, have a match winning lead.... and then lose, how is that NOT a choke ? Get real FruitTingle fans...

[stan]

So who has the better list sibe, Adelaide or Collingwood? I reckon "The Crows have performed better than anyone expected for several years, based on the talent in their list, because of the fitness edge." is a bit of a copout. Was fitness the issue against Collingwood last week, even though they had a couple of extra days to prepare for the match and the Crowies coming off a waltz at AAMI as well?

regards,
REB

The Crows have not had that "fitness edge" this year. The gap had started to close in the last two years as other teams ramped up.
Overall fitness was not purely the issue against Collingwood last week, but the lack of it by some of the older players showed once Knights was taken out of the mix.
McLeod, Edwards, and Burton were struggling late in the game - Burton for most of it from what I saw on TV.
Another factor is that because of the Crows manpower issues they have focused over the last several years on avoiding the man on man game.
The lack of manpower and skills in this area has let them down in the finals each year. The need to rectify this deficiency for next year.

Their list has improved as younger player develop, and the game plan needs to be modified accordingly.
The change to the game plan this year was a little belated, and presumably because of that, they did not sustain it under the pressure well applied in the second half by Collingwood..
They were also sloppy in the second quarter, bombing the ball in long and hoping for marks from Tippett and Burton that did not occur because of Collingwood's disciplined defence.
They had run it in better in the first quarter.
[Perhaps the couple of easy wins had made them too confident in that marking ability.]

I don't know Collingwood's players well enough to compare the lists but I think Collingwood's style of play worked better.

Psyber to replace Craig at the Crows. What a remarkable analysis, what an incredible cop out ! If you're in a final, are favourites to win, have a match winning lead.... and then lose, how is that NOT a choke ? Get real FruitTingle fans...

Well this topic was a bit of fun wasnt it.
If you have a look at all teams in there history there will be some evidence of "choking" at some stage.
The crows and port have definitly lost finals they should have one.
To add some more teams to the fodder, ask the Western bulldogs about losing Prelim finals.......

[Psyber]

Psyber to replace Craig at the Crows. What a remarkable analysis, what an incredible cop out ! If you're in a final, are favourites to win, have a match winning lead.... and then lose, how is that NOT a choke ? Get real FruitTingle fans...

Well, I'd give some credit to Collingwood for the change of tactics and resultant fight back..
The Crows didn't do it themselves against an insignificant opposition.
I was surprised anyone saw them as favourites - I didn't,
I've been aware of their lack of success in finals when teams man up more for some time..

[stan]

Im just watching a replay of the 2003 GF on 1 HD. It really seems like the game even only 6 years ago was a more physical game.