Collingwood to win the flag!

[nuggety goodness]

so if the Saints choke (which you expect them too) and the Cats can't get a full side on the park. then the Doggies should go alright, this week could be a GF preview then... heres to hoping!!!

our turn to knock you off by a point, actually a few more then we can steal third and knock the Cats off again and go straight into the Prelim!!!

[Dogwatcher]

Still suggests pretty good form....you can only beat who you are programmed to play in those 13 rounds.

Yeah but they aren't going to be programmed against those sides in the next few weeks muttley!

regards,

REB

Who asked you fella???
I know boats.

[JK]

I've never been a fan of the term "choking", I think it's strayed so far from it's initial meaning that it really has no valid meaning today.

Looking at this finals series, whichever of the Current Top 4 that doesn't win the flag is likely to be unfairly labelled with the term.

[nuggety goodness]

I've never been a fan of the term "choking", I think it's strayed so far from it's initial meaning that it really has no valid meaning today.

Looking at this finals series, whichever of the Current Top 4 that doesn't win the flag is likely to be unfairly labelled with the term.

IMO if the Saints don't win the flag then they have choked, the premiers will be one of the top 4 as i couldn't see anyone else getting to the GF. however if the Pies/Cats/Dogs lose the GF then i wouldn't say they choked, unless they play Carlton!!!

[JK]

I've never been a fan of the term "choking", I think it's strayed so far from it's initial meaning that it really has no valid meaning today.

Looking at this finals series, whichever of the Current Top 4 that doesn't win the flag is likely to be unfairly labelled with the term.

IMO if the Saints don't win the flag then they have choked, the premiers will be one of the top 4 as i couldn't see anyone else getting to the GF. however if the Pies/Cats/Dogs lose the GF then i wouldn't say they choked, unless they play Carlton!!!

Yeah but the Pies have a history in GF's so by some they will be referred to as chokers if they lost the Granny ... The Saints after setting the pace all year and going so long between drinks, would also pick up the tag ... The Cat's in some circles are still wearing the tag from last year, and the Bullies have been around the mark long enough without seriously threatening to go further, so they'll likely cop it from some too.

Im not saying any of them warrant such a tag (they don't imho), but there will always be people out there quick to throw the term around.

[Booney]

IMO - Choking could be defined by this :

If St.Kilda was to lose only the two games they have so far, reach the GF in a canter beating the Bulldogs and Brisbane/Adelaide/Essendon/Carlton then lose the GF , thats a choke.

Losing a Prelim is not.

[JK]

IMO - Choking could be defined by this :

If St.Kilda was to lose only the two games they have so far, reach the GF in a canter beating the Bulldogs and Brisbane/Adelaide/Essendon/Carlton then lose the GF , thats a choke.

Losing a Prelim is not.

I reckon the term is rubbish ... Probably %50 of games a year see's a team not take their opportunities and get beaten, no different in finals, it just means you weren't good enough on the day - Choking implies that you froze in a winnable position and lost solely because you're mentally weak (imho thats what it would mean).

Off days happen, and finals don't make anyone immune to them.

[dedja]

Choking implies that you froze in a winnable position and lost solely because you're mentally weak (imho thats what it would mean).

Oh I see ... you mean like kicking 10 straight in the first and being up by 47 points then rolling over and getting beaten by 15 points?

I think I get it now ...

[Dogwatcher]

Choking implies that you froze in a winnable position and lost solely because you're mentally weak (imho thats what it would mean).

Like Port on the weekend.

[Booney]

Hey! Settle down, just settle down.

[JK]

Choking implies that you froze in a winnable position and lost solely because you're mentally weak (imho thats what it would mean).

Oh I see ... you mean like kicking 10 straight in the first and being up by 47 points then rolling over and getting beaten by 15 points?

I think I get it now ...

Doesn't give much credit to the opposition, but yes, that one isn't easy to defend lol

[dedja]

Hey! Settle down, just settle down.

[MatteeG]

Choking implies that you froze in a winnable position and lost solely because you're mentally weak (imho thats what it would mean).

Off days happen, and finals don't make anyone immune to them.

Yep, Adelaide in 93 Prelim, Hawks in 84 GF, Collingwood in 70 GF, Port last week.

People use the term 'choking' as soon as there is an upset these days.

I blame Mark Williams with the tie incident.

[Dog_ger]

My $2 would be on Saint Kilda

[Adelaide Hawk]

Choking implies that you froze in a winnable position and lost solely because you're mentally weak (imho thats what it would mean).

Off days happen, and finals don't make anyone immune to them.

Yep, Adelaide in 93 Prelim, Hawks in 84 GF, Collingwood in 70 GF, Port last week.

People use the term 'choking' as soon as there is an upset these days.

I blame Mark Williams with the tie incident.

Yep. What some people fail to realise is this is an elite competition and one team rarely dominates the entire 100 minutes. There will be a time in the game where a team will have control of the game. It may last for 5-10 minutes, it may last for an entire quarter.

If one team jumps out of the blocks and the other team just can't find the ball, then it's not inconceivable for a team to jump to a 6 goal lead before the other team gets its' act together.

Port Adelaide were never going to maintain the momentum they had in the first term, just as Brisbane were never going to play that poorly.

This "choking" crap is just that ... crap. As you say, before Mark Williams grabbed his tie after the 2004 GF, I rarely heard the term. Now, if a team loses by 1 point, apparently they choked.

[Dogwatcher]

The term was well established prior to Williams' actions.
His actions were clearly in reference to those who had called them chokers when they had won the minor premiership and not even made the grand final in previous years.
Others who have been labelled heavily as chokers in the sporting press include Greg Norman for his infamous performances in several majors and the South African cricket team for its weak performances in going into World Cups as favourites and not performing up to standard (it really came into its own after that 99 final against Australia).
However, everyone's thought that the use of the term has become more prevalent is entirely true.

[NO-MERCY]

The term was well established prior to Williams' actions.
His actions were clearly in reference to those who had called them chokers when they had won the minor premiership and not even made the grand final in previous years.
Others who have been labelled heavily as chokers in the sporting press include Greg Norman for his infamous performances in several majors and the South African cricket team for its weak performances in going into World Cups as favourites and not performing up to standard (it really came into its own after that 99 final against Australia).
However, everyone's thought that the use of the term has become more prevalent is entirely true.

What about our current Australian cricket team, only needing a draw to maintain the ASHES they CH-CH-CH-CHOKED.

[Zorro]

The term was well established prior to Williams' actions.
His actions were clearly in reference to those who had called them chokers when they had won the minor premiership and not even made the grand final in previous years.
Others who have been labelled heavily as chokers in the sporting press include Greg Norman for his infamous performances in several majors and the South African cricket team for its weak performances in going into World Cups as favourites and not performing up to standard (it really came into its own after that 99 final against Australia).
However, everyone's thought that the use of the term has become more prevalent is entirely true.

What about our current Australian cricket team, only needing a draw to maintain the ASHES they CH-CH-CH-CHOKED.

Don't think so, they were outplayed in the deciding match of a series and lost. Simple as that.

[the big bang]

The term was well established prior to Williams' actions.
His actions were clearly in reference to those who had called them chokers when they had won the minor premiership and not even made the grand final in previous years.
Others who have been labelled heavily as chokers in the sporting press include Greg Norman for his infamous performances in several majors and the South African cricket team for its weak performances in going into World Cups as favourites and not performing up to standard (it really came into its own after that 99 final against Australia).
However, everyone's thought that the use of the term has become more prevalent is entirely true.

What about our current Australian cricket team, only needing a draw to maintain the ASHES they CH-CH-CH-CHOKED.

Don't think so, they were outplayed in the deciding match of a series and lost. Simple as that.

agreed. it wasnt like we were 450 runs ahead and then lost.we were never really in a winnable position, so losing wouldnt really be classed as choking.

[Psyber]

The first innings was a majotr choke in my book!