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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby dodgingandweaving » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:22 am

If we want to go any further than a credible 5th-8th position, then we need another QUALITY ruckman.
We can't persevere with Sellar's mediocrity. We can't afford to have Tippett rucking, and resting Sellar in the forward lines. He does nothing but wait out for the cheap ball, and then miss a target with poor disposal. Can't take a contested grab, c'mon guys. Mediocrity will not get us into the top 4 in the next 4 yrs.
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby the joker » Tue Jul 28, 2009 11:28 am

James is 20, come on man, the big guys take longer to start playing well. he will be ok. i know Glenelg want him back for the finals.
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby Gingernuts » Tue Jul 28, 2009 12:06 pm

dodgingandweaving wrote:If we want to go any further than a credible 5th-8th position, then we need another QUALITY ruckman.
We can't persevere with Sellar's mediocrity. We can't afford to have Tippett rucking, and resting Sellar in the forward lines. He does nothing but wait out for the cheap ball, and then miss a target with poor disposal. Can't take a contested grab, c'mon guys. Mediocrity will not get us into the top 4 in the next 4 yrs.


The problem is D&W, quality ruckmen don't exactly grow on trees. Rarely do the make an immediate impact on AFL footy, it usually takes 2, 3, maybe even 4 years to develop. If they are good enough to play senior footy straight up then they go in the top 5 draft picks, they will never get to us.

I'm not saying the Sellar will be our man, but I do think that if he takes this opportunity and sees out the year in solid form and shows significant improvement each week the it could be worth keeping him on the list.
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby Psyber » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:18 pm

Gingernuts wrote:
dodgingandweaving wrote:If we want to go any further than a credible 5th-8th position, then we need another QUALITY ruckman.
We can't persevere with Sellar's mediocrity. We can't afford to have Tippett rucking, and resting Sellar in the forward lines. He does nothing but wait out for the cheap ball, and then miss a target with poor disposal. Can't take a contested grab, c'mon guys. Mediocrity will not get us into the top 4 in the next 4 yrs.
The problem is D&W, quality ruckmen don't exactly grow on trees. Rarely do the make an immediate impact on AFL footy, it usually takes 2, 3, maybe even 4 years to develop. If they are good enough to play senior footy straight up then they go in the top 5 draft picks, they will never get to us.
I'm not saying the Sellar will be our man, but I do think that if he takes this opportunity and sees out the year in solid form and shows significant improvement each week the it could be worth keeping him on the list.
I think Gingernuts is making valid points, and there are signs that Sellar is learning and beginning to improve.
It just seemed to take him a while to recognise that he needed to.
One of the problems of some "star" juniors is that it was all so easy, and it takes them a while to learn it won't be so in the big league.
Taylor Walker is learning that lesson too.
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby NFC » Tue Jul 28, 2009 1:40 pm

dodgingandweaving wrote:If we want to go any further than a credible 5th-8th position, then we need another QUALITY ruckman.
We can't persevere with Sellar's mediocrity. We can't afford to have Tippett rucking, and resting Sellar in the forward lines. He does nothing but wait out for the cheap ball, and then miss a target with poor disposal. Can't take a contested grab, c'mon guys. Mediocrity will not get us into the top 4 in the next 4 yrs.

Moran was showing some pretty good signs before going down with injury. I think ruckmen are overrated, Hawks hardly had a great ruck division last year. It's what happens when the ball hits the deck that's more important.
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby am Bays » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:47 pm

Psyber wrote:
McDermott, about Neil Craig, wrote:He honestly thinks training 'form' is more important than what a player can offer on the ground in a GAME.
Dangerfield now in his bad books. Who next? This guy wil take us nowhere, sack him before it's too late.
Chris McDermott is still fighting the battle from his own career's end under Malcolm Blight.
He may not have been able to walk around the training track by then, but he knew he was still a "star" in matches.


Umm Psyber McDermott didn't say that about Neil Craig....
Let that be a lesson to you Port, no one beats the Bays five times in a row in a GF and gets away with it!!!
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby wycbloods » Tue Jul 28, 2009 8:59 pm

am Bays wrote:
Psyber wrote:
McDermott, about Neil Craig, wrote:He honestly thinks training 'form' is more important than what a player can offer on the ground in a GAME.
Dangerfield now in his bad books. Who next? This guy wil take us nowhere, sack him before it's too late.
Chris McDermott is still fighting the battle from his own career's end under Malcolm Blight.
He may not have been able to walk around the training track by then, but he knew he was still a "star" in matches.


Umm Psyber McDermott didn't say that about Neil Craig....


Are you sure Mcdermott isn't NFC :D ;)
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby Psyber » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:06 am

am Bays wrote:
Psyber wrote:
McDermott, about Neil Craig, wrote:He honestly thinks training 'form' is more important than what a player can offer on the ground in a GAME.
Dangerfield now in his bad books. Who next? This guy wil take us nowhere, sack him before it's too late.
Chris McDermott is still fighting the battle from his own career's end under Malcolm Blight.
He may not have been able to walk around the training track by then, but he knew he was still a "star" in matches.
Umm Psyber McDermott didn't say that about Neil Craig....
OK, I obviously misunderstood am Bays' post and the context - I thought this was being attributed to him not to NFC...
I'd had my second Cholera vaccine and Hep B shot the day before and was a little "off".
However, McDermott has never stopped fighting that battle over his enforced retirement when Blighty took the reins, so it was believable.
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby Road to Glory » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:33 am

SCOTT THOMPSON needs to go i hate that bloke never seen anybody turn the ball over so much in my life and all his "effective" possessions are handballs to players under pressure! Not to mention he single handedly ended the great man mark riccutio's career! And constantly gives away stupid free kicks, get rid of him for something decent.
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby Footy Smart » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:22 am

Road to Glory, Please dont post stupid sh*t like that you make yourself look stupid.

Scott Thompson is first picked in Adelaide's midfield, his contested footy is second to none and he turns the footy over occassionally by foot but not as much as you make it out to be.....

"I hate the bloke" tad harsh??? :oops:
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby Ron Burgundy » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:24 am

Scott Thompson has a better disposal efficiency than 80% of the top 25 possession winners in the league.
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby wycbloods » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:25 am

Road to Glory wrote:SCOTT THOMPSON needs to go i hate that bloke never seen anybody turn the ball over so much in my life and all his "effective" possessions are handballs to players under pressure! Not to mention he single handedly ended the great man mark riccutio's career! And constantly gives away stupid free kicks, get rid of him for something decent.


A very poor Post RTG. He is becoming one of the elite midfielders in the comp and you wan't him dropped :oops: .
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby Gingernuts » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:41 am

Footy Smart wrote:Road to Glory, Please dont post stupid sh*t like that you make yourself look stupid.

Scott Thompson is first picked in Adelaide's midfield, his contested footy is second to none and he turns the footy over occassionally by foot but not as much as you make it out to be.....

"I hate the bloke" tad harsh??? :oops:


He's gone up a level again too, has been much more disciplined. Barely gives away a free kick anymore, something that he used to do several times every match.

Been very impressed with him this year.
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby AFLflyer » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:08 pm

how embarassing RTG. you must know heaps about footy!!!
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby Road to Glory » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:20 pm

AFLflyer wrote:how embarassing RTG. you must know heaps about footy!!!


this is a forum where you put your opinions why would i be embarrassed lol he is the one that should be embarrassed! his efficiency may be high but it doesnt show the stat as to how many of his "efficient"/"effective" disposals are to players under pressure which then results in a turnover lol keep a close eye on it next week you will be surprised. :lol:
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby dodgingandweaving » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:25 pm

You have to be kidding, re: Thompson
In previous years i must admit his disposal (especially in front of goal was very inconsistent)
This year, i haven't seen him miss too many and his field accuracy is top-notch.
Top Crow in last years Brownlow, and will be again this year.

Bye bye RTG. What a d*ckhead.
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby AFLflyer » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:29 pm

Road to Glory wrote:
AFLflyer wrote:how embarassing RTG. you must know heaps about footy!!!


this is a forum where you put your opinions why would i be embarrassed lol he is the one that should be embarrassed! his efficiency may be high but it doesnt show the stat as to how many of his "efficient"/"effective" disposals are to players under pressure which then results in a turnover lol keep a close eye on it next week you will be surprised. :lol:


crazy how some football followers think, maybe you should look harder and watch his brilliant work around stopages and tireless work around the ground. come on mate wake up. i guess you are right on one thing, you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how off the mark it is! :D
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby Road to Glory » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:46 pm

AFLflyer wrote:
Road to Glory wrote:
AFLflyer wrote:how embarassing RTG. you must know heaps about footy!!!


this is a forum where you put your opinions why would i be embarrassed lol he is the one that should be embarrassed! his efficiency may be high but it doesnt show the stat as to how many of his "efficient"/"effective" disposals are to players under pressure which then results in a turnover lol keep a close eye on it next week you will be surprised. :lol:


crazy how some football followers think, maybe you should look harder and watch his brilliant work around stopages and tireless work around the ground. come on mate wake up. i guess you are right on one thing, you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how off the mark it is! :D


yup and i stand bye it :D
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby Road to Glory » Wed Jul 29, 2009 12:46 pm

dodgingandweaving wrote:You have to be kidding, re: Thompson
In previous years i must admit his disposal (especially in front of goal was very inconsistent)
This year, i haven't seen him miss too many and his field accuracy is top-notch.
Top Crow in last years Brownlow, and will be again this year.

Bye bye RTG. What a d*ckhead.


why so angry? no need for name calling princess ;)
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Re: Players that should not be on the list next year

Postby dodgingandweaving » Wed Jul 29, 2009 2:48 pm

Road to Glory wrote:
dodgingandweaving wrote:You have to be kidding, re: Thompson
In previous years i must admit his disposal (especially in front of goal was very inconsistent)
This year, i haven't seen him miss too many and his field accuracy is top-notch.
Top Crow in last years Brownlow, and will be again this year.

Bye bye RTG. What a d*ckhead.


why so angry? no need for name calling princess ;)


Sorry sir, i didn't mean it.
It's just a terrible comment on a bloke who is probably our most valueable and influential player.
He racks up 25+ a game, and is tagged heavily on most occasions.
I just can't commend the guy enough, and your living in the past - His disposal used to be a weakness occasionally, but he has cleaned that up and I think his disposal is up there with the best in the comp for the top-line midfielders in the comp.
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