Afl hall of fame

[Wedgie]

The Burger king.........aka Tim Evans...

248 games, 1041 goals........not a bad effort especially when his first 50 or so games with the maggies he was in defence....

i remember being at Thebarton oval one day and sure it was 16 sausage rolls he kicked...............

Love ya Work Timmy!!!

And spent four years with Geelong before coming over to SA. Could have easily added 300 more goals to his tally with a full SANFL career.

Wasn't good enough for Geelong.

[Punk Rooster]

Mick Redden.

[Punk Rooster]

after visiting the site to check out who's who in the zoo, I arrived at the decision that there are too many Legends.

Darrel Baldock (St Kilda)

29/9/1938

Inducted: 1996

His skill with the football was unmatched. Could play at centre half-forward despite his small stature. Captained St Kilda to its only flag in 1966.

Playing career: 1962-1968

Games: 119 Goals: 237

Player honors: 2nd Brownlow Medal (equal) 1963, 3rd Brownlow Medal 1965; club best and fairest 1962, 1963, 1965; club leading goalkicker 1962- 1965; club captain; 1963-1968; premiership 1966; All-Australian 1961, 1966; St K Team of the Century (captain); Victoria (10 games, 23 goals).

Coaching record: St K 1987-89 (62 games, 18 wins, 44 losses)

Legend? No.
He went straight to Legend Status for what? Captaining St Kilda to a flag? (a miracle, I know...)
Take away the fluff/filler, & that's his achievement- apart from opunching above his weight as a CHF.

Ron Barassi (Melbourne/Carlton)

DOB: 27/2/1936. Inducted: 1996. Elevated to Legend: 1996

One of the most determined players ever to play the game, Barassi did not know how to accept defeat. His attack on the football and inspired leadership made him a football great. He took that passion for the contest into his coaching, willing his players to perform at their best.

Playing career: 1953-1969 (Melb 1953-1964, Carl 1965-1969)

Games: 254 (Melb 204, Carl 50) Goals: 330 (Melb 295 Carl 35)

Player honors: Melb best and fairest 1961, 1964; Melb leading goalkicker 1958 (equal), 1959; captain Melb 1960-1964; Melb premierships 1955, 1956, 1957, 1959, 1960, 1964; All-Australian 1956, 1958, 1961.

Coaching record: Carlton 1965-1971 (147 games, 99 wins, 47 losses, 1 draw), premierships 1968, 1970. North Melbourne 1973-1980 (198 games, 129 wins, 66 losses, 3 draws), premierships 1975, 1977. Melbourne 1981-1985 (110 games, 33 wins, 77 losses); Sydney 1993-1995 (59 games 59, 13 wins, 46 losses).

Legend? Yes.
Anyone that could turn North into Premiers is a legand- not once, but twice.
Seriously, no one could dispute this selection- I only dispute the haste in which it happened (Robran took 5 years to be elevated, which I think is the term to be served))

Kevin Bartlett (Richmond)
6/3/1947 Inducted: 1996. Elevated to Legend: 2000

Brilliant rover and goalkicker who was known as ‘Hungry’ because of his unwillingness to handball. Evasive and with great stamina, he could win a game off his own boot.

Playing career: 1965-1983

Games: 403 Goals: 778

Player honors: 2nd Brownlow Medal 1977, 3rd Brownlow Medal 1974; club best and fairest 1967, 1968, 1973, 1974, 1977; club leading goalkicker 1974, 1975, 1977, 1983; captain 1979, premierships 1967, 1969, 1973, 1974, 1980; Norm Smith Medal 1980.

Coaching record: Richmond 1988-1991 (88 games, 27 wins, 61 losses).

Legend? No.
The "most selfish player ever" is hardly a badge of honour.
There are more worthy people of Legend Status than KB.

Haydn Bunton senior (Fitzroy/Subiaco/Port Adelaide)

5/7/1911-5/9/1955

Inducted: 1996 Elevated to Legend: 1996

Champion rover through the Depression years. A brilliant runner and ball-winner.

Playing career: 1931-1942; 1945 (Fitzroy 1931-1937, 1942, Subiaco 1938-1941, PA 1945)

Games: 208 (Fitz 119, Sub 72, PA 17) Goals: 427 (Fitz 207, Sub 190, PA 30)

Player honors: Brownlow Medal 1931, 1932, 1935, 2nd Brownlow Medal 1934; Sandover Medal 1938, 1939, 1941; Fitz best and fairest 1934, 1935; Fitz leading goalkicker 1936, 1937; Fitz captain 1932, 1936, 1937.

Coaching record: Fitzroy 1936 (18 games, 2 wins, 16 losses)

Legend? Yes.
His resume is 2nd to none. ia decorated career across the triumvirate of Australian Rules.
No disputing this elevation.

Roy Cazaly (St Kilda/South Melbourne)

13/1/1893-10/10/1963

Inducted: 1996 Elevated to Legend: 1996

Legendary ruckman whose name was invoked as a catchcry on the battlefields in World War II. His spectacular leaping and strong ruckwork made him an awesome player.

Playing career: 1911-1927 (St K 1911-1915, 1918-1920, SM 1921-1924, 1926-1927).

Games: 198 (St K 99, SM 99) Goals: 167 (St K 39, SM 128)

Player honors: St K best and fairest 1918; SM best and fairest 1923; SM leading goalkicker 1921, 1922.

Coaching record: South Melbourne 1937-1938 (36 games, 8 wins, 27 losses, 1 draw); Hawthorn 1942-1943 (30 games, 10 wins, 20 losses).

Legend? Undecided (leaning towards No)
Apart from being immortalised in a song, what did he achieve? If we were to compare Tom Leahy to Roy Cazaly, would there be much between them? If the answer is Yes, it would be in Leahy's favour, if No, why is Leahy not even a HOF, let alone legend.

John Coleman (Essendon)

28/11/1928-5/4/1973

Inducted: 1996 Elevated to Legend: 1996

Champion full-forward who was a high-flying goalkicking genius. His strength one-on-one was brilliant and he was not intimidated by any opponent. His playing career was tragically cut short by a knee injury.

Playing career: 1949-1954

Games: 98 Goals: 537

Player honors: club best and fairest 1949; club leading goalkicker 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1953, 1954; VFL leading goalkicker 1949, 1950, 1952, 1953; premierships 1949, 1950; All-Australian 1950, 1953.

Coaching record: Essendon 1961-1967 (134 games, 91 wins, 40 losses, 3 draws), premierships 1962, 1965.

Legend? Yes.
Averaging 5 goals a game (albeit over a short time-frame), he didn't rely on that alone. One wonders what may have happened as he declined over the years. Ken Farmer by comparison, has an equal record over a longer period- elevate Farmer immediately.

Gordon Coventry (Collingwood)

25/9/1901-7/11/1968

Inducted: 1996 Elevated to Legend: 1998

Greatest goalkicker in the game’s history until Sydney player Tony Lockett broke his record in 1999. A hero during Collingwood’s most successful era, he accumulated goals at an incredible rate. His strength was his major asset in turning opportunities into goals.

Playing career: 1920-1937

Games: 306 Goals: 1299

Player honors: club best and fairest 1933; club leading goalkicker 1922-1937; VFL leading goalkicker 1926-1930, 1937; premierships 1927, 1928, 1929, 1930, 1935.

Legend? Yes.
However, I dispute the bolded type- Ken Farmer with 1417 goals was vastly superior to that, again, highlighting Farmer' need for elevation.
Coventry's resume is very impressive, & deserving of Legend status.

Jack Dyer (Richmond)

15/11/1913-23/8/2003

Inducted: 1996 Elevated to Legend: 1996

In football folklore as one of the toughest players to have played the game. His name is synonymous with Richmond where his fighting spirit and fierce determination is legendary. A great ruckman and inspirational leader.

Playing career: 1931-1949

Games: 312 Goals: 443

Player honors: club best and fairest 1932, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1940, 1946; club leading goalkicker 1947, 1948; premierships 1934, 1943.

Coaching record: Richmond 1941-1952 (225 games, 134 wins, 89 losses, 2 draws).

Legend? Yes.
More a Richmond Legend, than "AFL" Legend, Dyer is celebrated a being "tough"- read thug. However, his list of achievements is credible, but again, why was he instantly given Legend Status?

Graham Farmer (Geelong/East Perth/West Perth)

10/3/1935

Inducted: 1996 Elevated to Legend: 1996

Became a rucking giant after crossing from Western Australia. His tap-outs were attacking and his handball revolutionised the game. Also capable of playing for much of his career with injury. A great leader.

Playing career: 1953-1971 (East Perth 1953-1961, Geelong 1962-1967, West Perth 1968-1971).

Games: 356 (East Perth 176, Geel 101, West Perth 79) Goals: (East Perth NA, Geel 65, West Perth 55)

Sandover Medal 1956, 1957, 1960; 2nd Brownlow Medal 1963 (equal); Geel best and fairest 1963, 1964; Geel premiership 1963; EP best and fairest 1954, 1955, 1956, 1957, 1959, 1960, 1961; EP premierships 1956, 1958, 1959; WP best and fairest 1969; WP premierships 1969, 1971 (captain-coach); All-Australian 1956, 1958, 1961.

Coaching record: Geelong 1973-1975 (66 games, 24 wins, 42 losses).

Legend? Yes.
Absolutley no disputing this elevation. Single-handedly changed the game with his attack, dominated both sides of the continent- almost worthy of waiving the 5 year waiting period to Legend for.

Peter Hudson (Hawthorn)

19/2/1946

Inducted: 1996 Elevated to Legend: 1999

A freakish full-forward who just kept accumulating goals. Made brilliant use of the body, was deadly accurate and had an amazing ability to read the play. Holds the best goals per game average (5.59) in VFL/AFL history and in 1971 matched Bob Pratt’s record for most goals in a season with 150.

Playing career: 1967-1974, 1977

Games: 129 Goals: 727

Player honors: 2nd Brownlow Medal 1971 (equal); club best and fairest 1968, 1970; club leading goalkicker 1967-1971, 1977; VFL leading goalkicker 1968, 1970, 1971, 1977; premiership 1971; All-Australian 1966, 1969.

Legend? Yes.
Only justs get the nod. Dominated in an era of Football where Hawthorn's game plan revolved around opening up the forward line to Hudson's one on one contests, to the point where they changed the rules of the game. Would not have rushed him to Legend Status though.

Bill Hutchison (Essendon)

28/4/1923-18/6/1982

Fit, fearless and creative rover who was a key figure during Essenon's golden era.

Playing career: 1942-1957

Games: 290. Goals: 496

Player honors: 30 games for Victoria for 67 goals. Essendon Premiership 1942, 1946, 1949, 1950. All Australian 1950, 1953, 1956. Brownlow Medal 1952, 1953. Essendon Best and Fairest 1946, 1948, 1950, 1952, 1953, 1955 and 1956. Essendon Leading Goalkicker 1948. Essendon Team of the Century. Essendon captain 1951 - 1957. Victorian captain 1953, 1956.

Legend? Yes.
His CV is quite extrordinary. Was a dominant force within a golden era of Essendon, & was at the top of his game for a long period of time.

James 'Jock' McHale

12/12/1882-4/10/1953

Inducted: 1996

His record-and longevity-suggests he is the greatest football coach of all time. Played in the 1910 premiership side then coached the Magpies to eight premierships, including an unprecedented four in succession between 1927 and 1930.

Coaching record: Collingwood captain-coach 1912-1913, playing coach 1914-1917, coach 1918-1949 (714 games, 467 wins, 237 losses, 10 draws), premierships 1917, 1919, 1927, 1928, 1929, 1930, 1935, 1936; Team of the Century (coach).

Playing career: Coll 1903-18; 1920 (261 games, 18 goals).

Player honors: Collingwood premierships 1910, 1917; Victoria (3 games, 0 goals).

Legend? Yes.
His record as a coach is always brought up- it is 2nd to none. A very convincing case for Legend Status- one not even Carlton & Richmond fans could deny.

Leigh Matthews (Hawthorn)

1/3/1952

Inducted: 1996 Elevated to Legend: 1996

The toughest player of his era, he could turn a game in a flash. Few players were as capable of lifting another gear so regularly and destroying opponents.

Playing career: 1969-1985

Games: 332 Goals: 915

Player honors: 3rd Brownlow Medal 1973, 1982; club best and fairest 1971, 1972, 1974, 1976, 1977, 1978, 1980, 1982; club leading goalkicker 1973, 1975, 1981-1984; VFL leading goalkicker 1975; club captain 1981-1985; premierships 1971, 1976, 1978, 1983 (captain); All-Australian 1972, 1982, 1983.

Coaching record: Collingwood 1986-1995 (224 games, 125 wins, 94 losses, 5 draws); premiership 1990. Brisbane 1999- (74 games, 51 wins, 23 losses); premiership 2001.

Legend? Yes.
Pains me to say this, but this sniper did have a great deal of ability. His record is very impressive- who could ask for more? Only Legend to be de-registered as a player. I have no respect for Matthews as a man, but begrudge him that as player- which is what the HOF is about (hint re: Wayne Carey)

John Nicholls (Carlton)

13/8/1939

Inducted: 1996 Elevated to Legend: 1996

Inspirational leader with intimidating presence who dominated games from the ruck. A huge man, he would feed the ball to his smaller teammates who would lift because of his stature.

Playing career: 1957-1974

Games: 328 Goals: 307

Player honors: 2nd Brownlow Medal 1966; club best and fairest 1959, 1963, 1965, 1966, 1967; captain 1963, 1968-1974; premierships 1968, 1970, 1972 (capt-coach); All-Australian 1966, 1969.

Coaching record: Carlton 1972-1975 (97 games, 63 wins, 31 losses, 3 draws).

Legend? Yes.
Cannot disagree with this selection at all- if only for the haste in which he was elevated.

Bob Pratt (South Melbourne)

31/8/1912-6/1/2001

Inducted: 1996 Elevated to Legend: 1996

High-leaping full-forward who kicked a record 150 goals in 1934. Brilliant mark and kick who exuded confidence and spearheaded South Melbourne during a successful era for the club.

Playing career: 1930-1939, 1946

Games: 158 Goals: 681

Player honors: club leading goalkicker 1932-1936, 1939; VFL leading goalkicker 1933-1935; premiership 1933.

Legend? Yes.
Reading through his achievements, his career was exceptional. Wonder how Ken Farmer's achievements are ignored by comparison.

Dick Reynolds (Essendon)

20/6/1915-2/9/2002

Inducted: 1996 Elevated to Legend: 1996

The ‘King’ in a dominant Essendon era. His roving skill, leadership and class in using the football was unparalleled. One of four triple Brownlow Medallists.

Playing career: 1933-1951

Games: 320 Goals: 442

Player honors: Brownlow Medal 1934, 1937, 1938, 3rd Brownlow Medal 1939; club best and fairest 1934, 1936, 1937, 1938, 1939, 1942, 1943; club leading goalkicker 1943; captain 1939-1950; premierships (capt-coach) 1942, 1946, 1949, 1950.

Coaching record: Essendon 1939-1960 (420 games, 277 wins, 137 losses, 6 draws).

Legend? Yes.
Without a doubt, Dick Reynolds is a Legend. His accomplished his achievements whilst maintaing the reputation of a gentleman (antithesis of Leigh Matthews). Another I feel deserved to be made a Legend immediately.

Barrie Robran (North Adelaide)

25/9/1947

Inducted: 1996 Elevated to Legend: 2001

Regarded as the best player never to play AFL, Robran was a star in South Australia.

Playing career: 1967-1976, 1978-1980

Games: 201 Goals: 194

Player honors: Magarey Medal 1968, 1970, 1973; club best and fairest 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973; premierships 1971, 1972.

Legend? Yes.
Remember, the stats above reflect on half a career. Brought down as he was reaching great heights, one wonders what may of happened had he not been cut down by injury. 7 Magareys? Who knows. But we were blessed to see SA's gretest player ever achieve the respect of the football world- if only begrudginly by the Victorians. Like Dick Reynolds, a true champion & gentleman.

Bob Skilton (South Melbourne)

8/11/1938

Inducted: 1996 Elevated to Legend: 1996

His skills were the best in the game and his ability to find and use the footy was unmatched. A fair ball player, he embodied many of the game’s finest traditions.

Playing career: 1956-1968, 1970-1971

Games: 237 Goals: 412

Player honors: Brownlow Medal 1959, 1963, 1968, 3rd Brownlow Medal 1958; club best and fairest 1958, 1959, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1967, 1968; club leading goalkicker 1959, 1962, 1963; captain 1961-1971.

Coaching record: Melbourne 1974-1976 (66 games, 23 wins, 43 losses).

Legend? Yes.
No arguments here whatsoever. 3 Brownlow medals says it all.

Norm Smith

21/11/1915-29/07/1973

Inducted: 1996

Melbourne's graetest coach and arguably one of the finest the game has seen. Led Melbourne through it's most successful era in the 1950's and 1960's before being sacked in controversial circumstances in 1965.

Coaching record: Fitzroy 1949-1951 (55 games, 30 wins, 23 losses, 2 draws); Melbourne 1952-1967 (310 games, 198 wins, 107 losses, 5 draws), premierships 1955, 1956, 1957, 1959, 1960, 1964; Melb Team of the Century (coach); South Melbourne 1969-1972 (87 games, 26 wins, 61 losses).

Playing career: Melbourne 1935-48 (210 games, 546 goals); Fitzroy 1949-50 (17 games, 26 goals).

Player honors: Melb Best & Fairest 1939, 1944; Melb premierships 1939, 1940, 1941, 1948; Melb leading goalkicker 1938, 1939, 1940, 1941; League leading goalkicker 1941 (following finals); Victoria (2 games, 2 goals).

Legend? Yes.
His record as a coach is comparable to Jock McHale, whislt his playinng career wasn't too shabby either. Has a medal named is his honour for best afield in the GF. Definately worthy, as would Jack Oatey.

Ian Stewart (St Kilda/Richmond)

14/7/1944

Inducted: 1996 Elevated to Legend: 1997

A football genius. Out of the centre, his precision passing, evasive skills and pace made him unstoppable. One of four triple Brownlow Medallists.

Playing career: 1963-1975 (St K 1963-1970, Rich 1971-1975) Games: 205 (St K 127, Rich 78) Goals: 80 (St K 25, Rich 55)

Player honors: Brownlow Medals St K 1965, 1966, Rich 1971; St K best and fairest 1964, 1966; Rich best and fairest 1971; St K captain 1969; St K premiership 1966; Rich premiership 1973; All-Australian 1966.

Coaching record: South Melbourne 1976-1977, 1979-1981 (111 games, 49 wins, 60 losses, 2 draws), Carlton 1978 (3 games, 1 win, 2 losses).

Legend? Yes.
Reading through this, it's hard to deny his quick elevation to Legend Status.

Ted Whitten (Footscray)

27/7/33-17/8/1995

Inducted: 1996 Elevated to Legend: 1996

Known simply as ‘Mr Football’ or ‘EJ’, the champion Footscray player could play in any position on the ground. A favorite with football supporters whose legend continued to grow after he retired.

Playing career: 1951-1970 Games: 321 Goals: 360

Player honors: 3rd Brownlow Medal 1959 (equal); club best and fairest 1954, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1961; club leading goalkicker 1961, 1962, 1964 (equal) 1968; captain 1957-1966, 1969-1971; All-Australian 1956, 1958, 1961.

Coaching record: Footscray 1957-1966, 1969- 1971 (228 games, 91 wins, 137 losses).

Legend? Yes.
Deserving of instant Legend Status. A bloke as big as the game, without a doubt. His achievements off the field possibly exceed those on the field- no easy task.

I engaged in this excercise as a means to establish the credentials of the Legends- I could only find 2 -3 who have been elevated prematurely.
This is my opinion.

[am Bays]

Mick Redden.

You can chuck in Paul Bagshaw and Rick Davies too

[Rik E Boy]

Booooo Buddha, boooo Browny!
Where's Peter Carey?

As much as I loved watching both Buddha and Browny, to me they aren't greats of the game.
Brown was actually my fave Pies player for a while, but to have alongside some of the actual greats of the game is a bit ordinary I think.

Yeah you have to be just a good ordinary player to win four Carji's up against Stoneham, Brownless, Couch, Bairstow, Hinkley and Ablett. Seriously, get a clue.

I agree that Carey is stiff but HANDS OFF BUDDHA!

regards,

REB

[Punk Rooster]

Mick Redden.

You can chuck in Paul Bagshaw and Rick Davies too

no problems with that Tassie, my list is not definitive.

[am Bays]

Mick Redden.

You can chuck in Paul Bagshaw and Rick Davies too

no problems with that Tassie, my list is not definitive.

Yeah I know but I think there are anywhere from six to 12 Footballers in the SANFL from the late 60s, 70s and 80s who have legitimate claims for HOF status.

Micheal Taylor, Garry McIntosh and even Michael Aish deserve a spot in the HOF too IMO...

[Squawk]

Anyone got a full list of South Australians in the HoF?
Would also be interested to see %ages of inductees on a state league by state league basis.

This quote under "Did you Know" on the AFL homepage will make you Bays supporters cry and sums up why we all get so frustrated with the AFL:

"Did you Know?
In 1984 South Australia defeated Victoria by four points. Stephen Kernahan kicked 10 goals, in the year before his league debut."



Didn't realise he only played footy once he started at Carlton...

[brod]

This is a full list of players and you can also get to umpires, admin ect from it

http://www.afl.com.au/AFLHQ/Awards/Hall ... fault.aspx

[Squawk]

Thanks Brod.

Just had a quick Squiz - Norwood has 5 "representatives" if you count people who had multiple affiliations. Haydn Bunton Jnr and Jack Oatey (coaches), Thomas Hill (Administrator) and Wacka Scott and John Daly (players). Tassie has picked out a few names who might be worthy of consideration and I can think of a few more - and no doubt if every SANFL club was asked to come up with just 5 worthy names each, there would be some genuine talent in that pool of 50 names (give the eagles 10 names for Torrens and Woodville) that would likely out-rate some current inductees.

Super Carey's omission to date is a travesty.

[GWW]

Yeah I know but I think there are anywhere from six to 12 Footballers in the SANFL from the late 60s, 70s and 80s who have legitimate claims for HOF status.

...

Tassie re Peter Carey, this is a legitimate question.....what was his record like in state footy? I can't really remember much state footy from early 80's/late 70's when Carey would have been playing. How did he go against the best Victorian ruckmen, i'm thinking if he did hold his own, his name would have been better known to a lot of Victorian football judges.

[Dogwatcher]

I don't think that should have any bearing on the situation. He still played the most senior games of any footballer in Australia and was a major contributor right until the end of his career.

[GWW]

I don't think that should have any bearing on the situation. He still played the most senior games of any footballer in Australia and was a major contributor right until the end of his career.

I realise that - the reason why i posed the question was because if he did well in State footy he would be better known by Victorian football judges and they wouldn't actually have to ask questions about who he was or what type of player he was.

[Punk Rooster]

I don't think that should have any bearing on the situation. He still played the most senior games of any footballer in Australia and was a major contributor right until the end of his career.

I realise that - the reason why i posed the question was because if he did well in State footy he would be better known by Victorian football judges and they wouldn't actually have to ask questions about who he was or what type of player he was.

How many of these people also saw Roy Cazaly play?

[GWW]

I don't think that should have any bearing on the situation. He still played the most senior games of any footballer in Australia and was a major contributor right until the end of his career.

I realise that - the reason why i posed the question was because if he did well in State footy he would be better known by Victorian football judges and they wouldn't actually have to ask questions about who he was or what type of player he was.

How many of these people also saw Roy Cazaly play?

Not many, but his legend probably became greater than the man himself due to the song, plus he played for a Victorian club so people wouldn't be as ignorant about him as someone from another state.

[am Bays]

Yeah I know but I think there are anywhere from six to 12 Footballers in the SANFL from the late 60s, 70s and 80s who have legitimate claims for HOF status.

...

Tassie re Peter Carey, this is a legitimate question.....what was his record like in state footy? I can't really remember much state footy from early 80's/late 70's when Carey would have been playing. How did he go against the best Victorian ruckmen, i'm thinking if he did hold his own, his name would have been better known to a lot of Victorian football judges.

Two All australian guernseys from the 79 and 1980 carnivals. As I said when he went up against the Country's best Ruckman (Peter Moore, Gary Dempsey, Greame Moss and Mike Fitzpatrick - all HOFers IIRC) he at showed he was their equal....

[Dogwatcher]

Yeah you have to be just a good ordinary player to win four Carji's up against Stoneham, Brownless, Couch, Bairstow, Hinkley and Ablett. Seriously, get a clue.

Get a clue? Hmmm....

I think that makes him a Geelong great, not an AFL great.

[Punk Rooster]

Yeah you have to be just a good ordinary player to win four Carji's up against Stoneham, Brownless, Couch, Bairstow, Hinkley and Ablett. Seriously, get a clue.

Get a clue? Hmmm....

I think that makes him a Geelong great, not an AFL great.

Not entering the debate about the false Idol, but that's my point- blokes that are club HOF's/Legends don't/shouldn't automatically become AFL HOF's/Legends.

[Adelaide Hawk]

after visiting the site to check out who's who in the zoo, I arrived at the decision that there are too many Legends.

Darrel Baldock (St Kilda)

29/9/1938

Inducted: 1996

His skill with the football was unmatched. Could play at centre half-forward despite his small stature. Captained St Kilda to its only flag in 1966.

Playing career: 1962-1968

Games: 119 Goals: 237

Player honors: 2nd Brownlow Medal (equal) 1963, 3rd Brownlow Medal 1965; club best and fairest 1962, 1963, 1965; club leading goalkicker 1962- 1965; club captain; 1963-1968; premiership 1966; All-Australian 1961, 1966; St K Team of the Century (captain); Victoria (10 games, 23 goals).

Coaching record: St K 1987-89 (62 games, 18 wins, 44 losses)

Legend? No.
He went straight to Legend Status for what? Captaining St Kilda to a flag? (a miracle, I know...)
Take away the fluff/filler, & that's his achievement- apart from opunching above his weight as a CHF.

So you're basing your assessment of Baldock on his 119 games with St.Kilda only? To ignore his long and illustrious career in Tasmania makes you guilty of the same ignorance with which we accuse Victorians when it comes to the SANFL.

[Dogwatcher]

But that is the point isn't it? The AFL has recognised his prior history in Tasmania by inducting him. OR, they haven't and are basing his induction on 119 games of VFL.