Chris Judd says he wants to go to Carlton

[the joker]

I think Murph will keep no. 3 and id be very disappointed if we gave up picks 3,20 and Kennedy. I think that 3 and 20 with possibly another lower pick would be enough.

I'd settle for 3 & Kennedy.
Pick 1, Kreuzer who the "experts" say is a better underage player than Judd . Plays like a midfielder, yet can ruck. If he's as good as they say perhaps the need for a quality ruckman will be bestowed on the Blues quicker than most think...

chris judd wasent the best underage player of his time

[TroyGFC]

Why trade any picks for him when Carlton can get him with their priority pick and give WCE sfa.

[Hondo]

It's a good point TroyGFC raises

Crows are in the same boat with Hudson & Meesen

Melb have 3rd pick in pre-season draft and Bulldogs have 4th or 5th

Refuse to to a trade and then pick them up for free

That pre-season draft complicates and already flawed system IMO - maybe there needs to be some form of compensation system for clubs that fall victim to the system like that.

[Dirko]

From what I've heard and read I think Carlton will try to do the right thing by the Eagles and work out a trade.
Carlton have normally been pretty straight forward in regards to trades. The Nick Stevens thing had nothing to do
with Carlton until the deal fell through between Port and Collingwood.

[GWW]

Judd will be very effective at plugging the majority of Carlton's salary cap hole!

FWIW I think that Judd going to Carlton is the best result for football in general. Carlton supporters must be salivating at the prospects of their midfield in 2-3 years. Judd, Murphy, Gibbs, Stevens & Carrazzo. Throw in Scotland as well, who is getting on but goes very well still.

Stevens wont play again. You heard it here first.

Yeah i've heard his neck injury is fairly serious as well.

[finn]

I can understand the reasoning behind wanting to give the least up for any player as football is now a business. Carlton wants to get Judd at the lowest price and preferably while keeping its #1 pick thereby giving itself the biggest opportunity to succeed.

I believe that Judd is worth a #1 pick in any draft - brownlow, 100+ games of mostly very high quality, norm smith medallist so we know he plays well in big games - a known quantity versus a player that may or may not make it. Look at hodge, he took four years to really hit his straps while josh fraser is still probably (to my mind) has not reached his full potential.

I struggle to see why carlton supporters are so precious regarding the number 1 pick, to the stage whereby some posters on other forums have said that they'd sooner keep the #1 rather than get Judd; drafting is still hit and miss. Kreuzer may be brilliant but it may take him 4-5 years to reach the consistent plateau that judd has reached over the last four years.

If I was Carlton, which clearly I'm not, I'd proffer 3 and a player, then 3,20 and a player but would be prepared to give up #1 at the death knock to secure his services.

cheers

[Hondo]

The priority pick can't be traded as I understand?

So Carlton can only trade their first normal pick in the draft which is selection # 3

Finn, you may have meant that in what you said anyway. I raise it because I heard that on 5AA last night and it was news to me that the priority pick can't be traded.

[Dirko]

You are correct the Priority pick cannot be traded and it si common knowledge that Carlton will pick Kreuzer as one.
Looking at the drafts since 2000 and the top three & games played.
2000
1 Nick Riewoldt St Kilda 134
2 Justin Koschitzke St Kilda 97
3 Alan Didak Collingwood 120
2001
1 Luke Hodge Hawthorn 112
2 Luke Ball St Kilda 104
3 Chris Judd West Coast Eagles 134
2002
1 Brendan Goddard St. Kilda 90
2 Daniel Wells Kangaroos 102
3 Jared Brennan Brisbane Lions 59
2003
1 Adam Cooney Western Bulldogs 87
2 Andrew Walker Carlton 74
3 Colin Sylvia Melbourne 52
2004
1 Brett Deledio Richmond 62
2 Jarryd Roughead Hawthorn 58
3 Ryan Griffen Western Bulldogs 51
2005
1 Marc Murphy Carlton 35
2 Dale Thomas Collingwood 41
3 Xavier Ellis Hawthorn 13
2006
1 Bryce Gibbs Carlton 22
2 Scott Gumbleton Essendon 5
3 Lachlan Hansen Kangaroos 3

After a couple of years it looks as if the 1 & 3 play just about the same amounts of games. Judd is a stand out, but then again he is a freak.
Interesting to see the quality of a player taken at 1, compared to 3...

[Dutchy]

Interesting that list, no duds amongst them (cue NFC ) you would take any of them

[Blue Boy]

In the short term. It will be interesting to see how Judd goes without a Gun Ruckman giving him first look at the footy, and without a mature quality midfield sharing the work load

Selling Meesen a bit short arent ya !!!

[GWW]

The priority pick can't be traded as I understand?

So Carlton can only trade their first normal pick in the draft which is selection # 3

Finn, you may have meant that in what you said anyway. I raise it because I heard that on 5AA last night and it was news to me that the priority pick can't be traded.

I think they can trade the priority pick with the AFL's permission, but its hard to really know what Mr Demetrious' policies are, i doubt he even knows them himself.

[gadj1976]

Why trade any picks for him when Carlton can get him with their priority pick and give WCE sfa.

You mean Pre Season Draft pick? We've got pick 2, Richmond Pick 1.

We (Carlton) are in the box seat cos we can afford to play hardball and if WCE don't agree, he can walk. Richmond can then make a play for him under the salary cap if room allows, if not, only then he could come to Carlton.

[stan]

Carlton will now try to screw the eagles, then use the No.1 and get him in the draft, look at the way they go nick stevens, same thing. Heck he should just retire then come back and play again.

[GWW]

I think the Eagles are playing hardball and waiting for a new offer of picks 1, 20 and Kennedy, and once Carlton offer that they'll accept it as a compromise.

[GWW]

I think the Eagles are playing hardball and waiting for a new offer of picks 1, 20 and Kennedy, and once Carlton offer that they'll accept it as a compromise.

[gadj1976]

Carlton will now try to screw the eagles, then use the No.1 and get him in the draft, look at the way they go nick stevens, same thing. Heck he should just retire then come back and play again.

Huh?

We don't have no.1 in the PRE SEASON DRAFT (if that's what you're referring to), Richmond do, they finished 16th.

And Carlton didn't screw anyone to get Stevens. Port and Collingwood couldn't come to a deal. We had no1 in the PSD and picked him up that way.

[gadj1976]

I think the Eagles are playing hardball and waiting for a new offer of picks 1, 20 and Kennedy, and once Carlton offer that they'll accept it as a compromise.

Nup, they wont trade 1. It'll be 3, 20 and Kennedy.

[Dirko]

stan, not sure if you're suggesting that Carlton didn't play ball re Stevens but Carlton didn't do anything with Nick Stevens. Nick wanted to go to Collingwood. Them and Port couldn't strike a deal. Time ran out before a deal could be done with Carlton. Nick went into the PSD and the Blues could meet his demands and pick him up.

ATM Carlton's salary cap is apparently at 93% and the cap increases by $500000 next year...we can do it for a long contract without much affect at all, considering Kouta & Lappo are included..Richmond may not be able to meet the demands of Judd's contract so the Blues may just get him for nothing as gadg1796 states...

[stan]

Carlton will now try to screw the eagles, then use the No.1 and get him in the draft, look at the way they go nick stevens, same thing. Heck he should just retire then come back and play again.

Huh?

We don't have no.1 in the PRE SEASON DRAFT (if that's what you're referring to), Richmond do, they finished 16th.

See its all falling into place, they dont have the no.1 pick ......it has disapeared!!!

Seriously im taking the piss. Mainly at the way Stevens went there but also about how Essendon got Michael, and the way they Clarke went to the saints. Carlton will trade something, dunno what.

[stan]

stan, not sure if you're suggesting that Carlton didn't play ball re Stevens but Carlton didn't do anything with Nick Stevens. Nick wanted to go to Collingwood. Them and Port couldn't strike a deal. Time ran out before a deal could be done with Carlton. Nick went into the PSD and the Blues could meet his demands and pick him up.

ATM Carlton's salary cap is apparently at 93% and the cap increases by $500000 next year...we can do it for a long contract without much affect at all, considering Kouta & Lappo are included..Richmond may not be able to meet the demands of Judd's contract so the Blues may just get him for nothing as gadg1796 states...

mate im taking the urine