The Crows & Power thread.....

[valleys07]

I love bagging the Cows and the Smears but I reckon both have shown a bit in the last few weeks. Port under Primus have been a much more honest team and the enforced retirement of the old Adelaide guard has thrown up some young players that can really play.

So yeah, you've had a **** season but next year should see some real improvement for both SA sides.

regards,

REB

As much as it pains me to say it i think the crows are an outside chance next year....if the are active in the trade period (which they should be with their new room in the salary cap) and the return of otten down back, and another year into the likes of tippet, vince, mackay, walker (if he can grab a permanent spot) and co they should be in a position to challenge.

As for the power, our future rests with our new coach i believe.....we need a fresh gameplan which will bring fans wanting to watch us play. It will then make it easier for the board to market the club effectively (lose this us vs them mentality (it worked for the magpies but not for the power), similar to what jim stynes has done for melbourne. Get the off field stuff set right and get some members and moula through the place....then develop a squad that can challenge for the flag.

[stan]

I love bagging the Cows and the Smears but I reckon both have shown a bit in the last few weeks. Port under Primus have been a much more honest team and the enforced retirement of the old Adelaide guard has thrown up some young players that can really play.

So yeah, you've had a **** season but next year should see some real improvement for both SA sides.

regards,

REB

As much as it pains me to say it i think the crows are an outside chance next year....if the are active in the trade period (which they should be with their new room in the salary cap) and the return of otten down back, and another year into the likes of tippet, vince, mackay, walker (if he can grab a permanent spot) and co they should be in a position to challenge.

As for the power, our future rests with our new coach i believe.....we need a fresh gameplan which will bring fans wanting to watch us play. It will then make it easier for the board to market the club effectively (lose this us vs them mentality (it worked for the magpies but not for the power), similar to what jim stynes has done for melbourne. Get the off field stuff set right and get some members and moula through the place....then develop a squad that can challenge for the flag.

I think you are being a bit kind to the crows there mate.

[AFLflyer]

I love bagging the Cows and the Smears but I reckon both have shown a bit in the last few weeks. Port under Primus have been a much more honest team and the enforced retirement of the old Adelaide guard has thrown up some young players that can really play.

So yeah, you've had a **** season but next year should see some real improvement for both SA sides.

regards,

REB

As much as it pains me to say it i think the crows are an outside chance next year....if the are active in the trade period (which they should be with their new room in the salary cap) and the return of otten down back, and another year into the likes of tippet, vince, mackay, walker (if he can grab a permanent spot) and co they should be in a position to challenge.

As for the power, our future rests with our new coach i believe.....we need a fresh gameplan which will bring fans wanting to watch us play. It will then make it easier for the board to market the club effectively (lose this us vs them mentality (it worked for the magpies but not for the power), similar to what jim stynes has done for melbourne. Get the off field stuff set right and get some members and moula through the place....then develop a squad that can challenge for the flag.

I think you are being a bit kind to the crows there mate.

agree stan

[valleys07]

I love bagging the Cows and the Smears but I reckon both have shown a bit in the last few weeks. Port under Primus have been a much more honest team and the enforced retirement of the old Adelaide guard has thrown up some young players that can really play.

So yeah, you've had a **** season but next year should see some real improvement for both SA sides.

regards,

REB

As much as it pains me to say it i think the crows are an outside chance next year....if the are active in the trade period (which they should be with their new room in the salary cap) and the return of otten down back, and another year into the likes of tippet, vince, mackay, walker (if he can grab a permanent spot) and co they should be in a position to challenge.

As for the power, our future rests with our new coach i believe.....we need a fresh gameplan which will bring fans wanting to watch us play. It will then make it easier for the board to market the club effectively (lose this us vs them mentality (it worked for the magpies but not for the power), similar to what jim stynes has done for melbourne. Get the off field stuff set right and get some members and moula through the place....then develop a squad that can challenge for the flag.

I think you are being a bit kind to the crows there mate.

Well it all starts with the trade period for the crows...if they get it right then, well you would back them in for 9 or 10 of their home games meaning they only need to win 4 on the road to pinch a spot anywhere between 4-8. They will need a lot of things to go right to be a serious contender but imo they are not out of the equation if they can get their best 22 on the park consistently.....in saying that mate i hope im wrong!

[CoverKing]

They should get an easier draw aswell considering the place they'll finish this year!!

[redden whites]

They should get an easier draw aswell considering the place they'll finish this year!!

easier draw than this year...is there one??

[CoverKing]

They should get an easier draw aswell considering the place they'll finish this year!!

easier draw than this year...is there one??

crows played Geelong twice (IIRC), St Kilda twice, bullies twice, finished with the top 4 in the last 6 rounds.
The power had a relatively easy draw, and the crows draw should improve for them!

[redden whites]

They should get an easier draw aswell considering the place they'll finish this year!!

easier draw than this year...is there one??

crows played Geelong twice (IIRC), St Kilda twice, bullies twice, finished with the top 4 in the last 6 rounds.
The Power had a relatively easy draw, and the crows draw should improve for them!

You do not remember correctly with Geelong(once at home).
Richmond twice.Melbourne twice.Port twice.Brisbane twice can't complain about that draw. Of the other sides who made the 8 you drew Sydney once at home,Carlton once at home,Collingwood once,Hawthorn once.Of the final 8 you got 5 of them once.
It was a dream draw pure and simple. It will be a long time before you get one that easy again.......

[CoverKing]

They should get an easier draw aswell considering the place they'll finish this year!!

easier draw than this year...is there one??

crows played Geelong twice (IIRC), St Kilda twice, bullies twice, finished with the top 4 in the last 6 rounds.
The Power had a relatively easy draw, and the crows draw should improve for them!

You do not remember correctly with Geelong(once at home).
Richmond twice.Melbourne twice.Port twice.Brisbane twice can't complain about that draw. Of the other sides who made the 8 you drew Sydney once at home,Carlton once at home,Collingwood once,Hawthorn once.Of the final 8 you got 5 of them once.
It was a dream draw pure and simple. It will be a long time before you get one that easy again.......

Your not a bright spark are you?

[redden whites]

Your not a bright spark are you?

Interesting comment You believe still it was a tough draw?

[CoverKing]

Your not a bright spark are you?

Interesting comment You believe still it was a tough draw?

not saying that although I still think they'll get an easier draw!
Just referring to some other comments within that comment!

[Rik E Boy]

Your not a bright spark are you?

Interesting comment You believe still it was a tough draw?

not saying that although I still think they'll get an easier draw!
Just referring to some other comments within that comment!

Harsh comment CoverKing. redden had a point IMO. Not having to travel to Cat Park is a huge bonus for any interstate side and they didn't have to play the Blues at the Dome or Sydney in Sydney. I agree that the Crows run home was tough but they should have set themselves up earlier in the year.

Also, the ladder positioning does not effect what draw you get next year as every year there is only one thing that determines who plays who and that is money. The AFL want to maximise revenue and so do the clubs who put in their 'orders' for what they want in the draw next season. It is not a 'seeded' draw. This is the main reason Collingwood plays so many at the MCG so that other clubs can reap the cash benefits of a large attendance at home games.

regards,

REB

[Booney]

For mine the question must now be asked of Adelaide's list management peeople. I recall raising this issue last year along with many Crow fans. So what do you Crow boys think now?

McLeod, Goodwin, Burton, Edwards and Hentschel were all spoken about at the end of 2009 as being somewhat of a gamble to retain on the list. So with Adelaide missing the finals and all 5 of them not playing the last 5 weeks of the season, what does that say about the people making the decisions down there?

Goodwin had a good 2010, McLeod some influence and Edwards was ok without being the player we knew he could be. Burton and Hentschel basically having no impact.

So who is at fault?

[Rik E Boy]

I think you answered your own question Booney. How Burton in particular could have been retained boggles the mind. They probably needed to tap one of McLeod or Edwards on the shoulder at the end of last year as well.

The Cats will be facing the same problems soon enough. We've seen what happens when a team has to replace a large chunk of talent at the same time with the Crows this year and the Aussie cricket team in the early 80's so I'm hoping we learn from Adelaide like we learned from Essendon in the last couple of years.

regards,

REB

[Footy Smart]

I dont see an issue with the way our list was managed, only maybe Trent and Burton were the questionable 50/50. However i think they were kept on the list to purely stengthen our depth as we were 'having' a crack at a premiership.

Unfortunatly these have all finished their careers now, but i think the list is fine and has proven it can be more than capable next season without them. Goodwin and Mcleod would still def be in our best 22 that we could put out this week, Edwards form fell away although his last game sugested he still had some lft in the tank.

Burton and Trent havent been able to get their bodies right, but that happens in footy.

What was important, was that the younger kids coming through got to play with these champions of the club. They learnt off them and played with them and the experience that they gain from that is invaluable for years to come.

As Craig said, you cant throw 10 kids to wolves at once. (proven by Freo's performance on the w/e) They gain nothing from getting a hiding week in week out.

[Booney]

What if the kids dont get any better? What if the output you are getting now is it?

I think you will miss Goodwin and McLeod more than you think. Look at how Johncock has had to step up in their absence and how much of a hole was left when Johncock was out of the team.

[Footy Smart]

What if the kids dont get any better? What if the output you are getting now is it?

I think you will miss Goodwin and McLeod more than you think. Look at how Johncock has had to step up in their absence and how much of a hole was left when Johncock was out of the team.

All what ifs??? what if Trent and Burton didnt get injured, what if Edwards form didnt drop away????

I think that the kids have shown considerable improvement in each game they have played to suggest it will continue. Yes Johncock now becomes very important, Otten will also be back next year to give some drive off half back and IMO we have missed him greatly as well.

Lets not forget that Macca has missed a few games, Edwards was basically gone all year and Burton, Trent didnt impact at all.

[Rik E Boy]

What ifs if they are young players, inevitable occurences for older players. Older players are more likely to get recurring injuries and evenutually that form will drop off. By having so many of the old guard suiting up this season the likelihood of what eventually happen had to increase.

Hardly an unforeseable series of events. And no, you don't get rid of all of them at once but I reckon two had to go. Your boys had a lot less run this year, particularly in the early rounds of the season.

regards,

REB

[Psyber]

For mine the question must now be asked of Adelaide's list management peeople. I recall raising this issue last year along with many Crow fans. So what do you Crow boys think now?

McLeod, Goodwin, Burton, Edwards and Hentschel were all spoken about at the end of 2009 as being somewhat of a gamble to retain on the list. So with Adelaide missing the finals and all 5 of them not playing the last 5 weeks of the season, what does that say about the people making the decisions down there?

Goodwin had a good 2010, McLeod some influence and Edwards was ok without being the player we knew he could be. Burton and Hentschel basically having no impact.

So who is at fault?

The Crows have always tended to keep the name players on a bit too long, which was why Blighty made certain demands when he took the coaching job.
They got it right with Ben Hart, but since then have softened again. I'm not sure who is responsible for that.
Burton should have been cut last year, and Hentschel has to be this time, although I feel sorry for him.
The Power, too, have been a bit prone to carrying players who are past it or just soft.

[Dirko]

For mine the question must now be asked of Adelaide's list management peeople. I recall raising this issue last year along with many Crow fans. So what do you Crow boys think now?

What the problem is that I see, is if they de-listed a couple of those guys last year i.e. Burton, Edwards & Henstchel, then they would've had a reasonable strong draft to chose or trade for some kids to replace them instead of a compromised draft that they'll see over the next two years.