Welsh quits the Crows

[NFC]

F Tippett Gill Proplyzia
HF Burton Bock Edwards
C Goodwin Thompson Knights
HB Symes Moran Macca
B Bassett Rutten Stevens
R Griffen Van Berlo Shirley
Int Maric Johncock Rielley Douglas
Emer from McGregor Hentchel Massie Gallman

Still not a bad side, where Adelaide will finish, after the minor round, my head says anywhere between 5 - 10, however Collingwood and your mob showed this year anything is achievable.

This will depend on injuries and the continue development of Van Berlo, Knights, Maric, Symes, Douglas and Griffen, while the unknown factors are MacKay, Moran, Tippett, Gallman, Walker and this years draft picks....

I am picking Tippett and Gallman to really make an impact in 2007

Boy do you overrate Gallman! He's played about 10 SANFL league games and for the most part looked out of his depth.

I'll post my team later.

[MatteeG]

Just keeping you posting Felch- keep that avatar on live pages my friend.

Pity blacky doesnt post more...

[NFC]

I'll put my hand up regarding Pearce Felcher. Agreed that Pearce isn't the toughest player I have seen but he is a lot more skillful than VB will ever be. If I had to choose which player I could lure to Geelong (out of the players I mentioned earlier) it would be Pearce. Van Berlo is the very definition of the word 'overrated'. Pearce has a rising star medal in the cupboard for a start.

regards,

REB

How is VB overrated? Played all 23 games this year, averaged about 19 possessions and 3+ tackles per game. Did some tagging jobs (shut down Cornes) and on the whole was a very consistent performer.

[Felch]

My team Adelaide Round 1

Douglas Gill Burton
Edwards McGregor Porplyzia
Van Berlo Goodwin Knights
Johncock Bock McLeod
Bassett Rutten Stevens
1R Biglands Thompson Shirley
Int Reilly Maric Symes Massie

Same old problem, light on up forward, but i think back 6 still pretty solid
Would be severly exposed with minimal injuries though.
Tough times ahead IMO, but not rock bottom.

[NFC]

FB: McLeod, Rutten, Bassett
CHB: Johncock, Bock, Stevens
C: van Berlo, Goodwin, Edwards
CHF: Burton, Gill, Porplyzia
FF: Tippett, McGregor, Vince
1R: Maric, Thompson, Reilly
INT: Griffin, Shirley, Knights, Douglas

The Crows WILL make the finals and the reason why is because there are so many ordinary teams right now and to make the 8 you only have to be half decent. That’s not a great looking team and there aren’t many match winners however it is solid enough to win 12 odd matches. Our weaknesses are the rucks and once again our forward line. Hopefully Tippett can be the surprise packet but I’m mindful of the fact he did nothing as a forward for West.

[NFC]

Expanding from what I said earlier, how many standout teams are there? Geelong and West Coast are the two. Other top 4 possibilities are:

Port- IMO they won’t achieve what they did this year, 6-8 finish for them.

Hawthorn- Could do a repeat of the 2007 WB. Unlikely but could happen as they still have an extremely young squad.

Sydney- Aging list and much will depend on Barry Hall’s off season.

Collingwood- Will they improve or take a step backwards? Youngsters might struggle with 2nd/3rd year blues. Buckley and Clement gone will hurt but Cam Wood will be a HUGE inclusion.

St Kilda- The Saints have everything but top flight midfielders. Dal Santo’s a frontrunner, Ball is to often injured and while the have Hayes and Harvey they lack PACE.

[Rik E Boy]

I'll put my hand up regarding Pearce Felcher. Agreed that Pearce isn't the toughest player I have seen but he is a lot more skillful than VB will ever be. If I had to choose which player I could lure to Geelong (out of the players I mentioned earlier) it would be Pearce. Van Berlo is the very definition of the word 'overrated'. Pearce has a rising star medal in the cupboard for a start.

regards,

REB

How is VB overrated? Played all 23 games this year, averaged about 19 possessions and 3+ tackles per game. Did some tagging jobs (shut down Cornes) and on the whole was a very consistent performer.

Yeah, he's a consistent performer. I've seen him rated a gun by many (maybe not on this site to be fair) and hence overrated.

regards,

REB

[Rik E Boy]

Expanding from what I said earlier, how many standout teams are there? Geelong and West Coast are the two. Other top 4 possibilities are:

Port- IMO they won’t achieve what they did this year, 6-8 finish for them.

Hawthorn- Could do a repeat of the 2007 WB. Unlikely but could happen as they still have an extremely young squad.

Sydney- Aging list and much will depend on Barry Hall’s off season.

Collingwood- Will they improve or take a step backwards? Youngsters might struggle with 2nd/3rd year blues. Buckley and Clement gone will hurt but Cam Wood will be a HUGE inclusion.

St Kilda- The Saints have everything but top flight midfielders. Dal Santo’s a frontrunner, Ball is to often injured and while the have Hayes and Harvey they lack PACE.

Expanding your thoughts to include top eight rather than four you can throw in Freo, Brisbane and Kangaroos and that's ten clubs you have to worry about and that's if the Bullies have another shit one and Carlton don't improve as much as some think they might. I don't have you in my eight NFC.

regards,

REB

[NFC]

Yeah, he's a consistent performer. I've seen him rated a gun by many (maybe not on this site to be fair) and hence overrated.

regards,

REB

Keep in mind BigFooty overrates everyone.

As for you last post, I think Brisbane could be the big improvers next year, enough to make the 8 anyway. With Bradshaw back they have more options and with Adcock, Stiller and hopefully Sherman turning things around, they have lots of youngsters who will naturally improve. Adcock is already a star though.

[Rik E Boy]

Keep in mind BigFooty overrates everyone.

True!

regards,

REB

[Aerie]

I'll give the Crows Round 1 side a go. Hentschel I haven't included nor have I included players like Tippett, Gallman, Mackay and Sellar who you'd hope would develop as the season went on and played some part for the Crows during the season. Ideally Hentschel would be the Full Forward if he is ready.

F: Burton McGregor Edwards
HF: Stevens Gill Porplyzia
C: Reilly Goodwin Knights
HB: Bassett Bock McLeod
B: Massie Rutten Johncock
R: Griffin Thompson Shirley
I: Symes Biglands Douglas Vince
E: Maric Jericho Campbell

[Shirtfront]

Shirtfront

I find it laughable that people assume that Mattner will play off the wing for Sydney

This week in Sydney, both Roo's, Mattner and Hall have all said in numerous media reports that Mattner was recruited to play HB to enable Malceski and Tagh to move to the midfield

for those who keep wanting to recycle the issue that NC played Marty out of position, well Paul Roo's has the same position penned for Marty

On Torney, name your bet, he wont finish in the top 5 of the medal

I heard those comments too from the Sydney brainstrust, i stick to my view, Mattner will play on the wing due to his inability to play defence, Roos will see that after a few games and inturn change his position. Running and Long balls into Hall / Micky O at FF from the wing.
On Torney, i will take your money. Will revisit this post come September next year.

[Blue Boy]

Shirtfront

I find it laughable that people assume that Mattner will play off the wing for Sydney

This week in Sydney, both Roo's, Mattner and Hall have all said in numerous media reports that Mattner was recruited to play HB to enable Malceski and Tagh to move to the midfield

for those who keep wanting to recycle the issue that NC played Marty out of position, well Paul Roo's has the same position penned for Marty

On Torney, name your bet, he wont finish in the top 5 of the medal

I heard those comments too from the Sydney brainstrust, i stick to my view, Mattner will play on the wing due to his inability to play defence, Roos will see that after a few games and inturn change his position. Running and Long balls into Hall / Micky O at FF from the wing.
On Torney, i will take your money. Will revisit this post come September next year.

Syd

Mattner was playin deeper than HB - Mummbles had him as back pocket ( Harts old position ) !!!

Roos has obviously a plan for Marty - but you can not say it is the same plan Syd !!!

Personally I wish him all the best @ the swans as it was so frustrating to see what developed during this year for all parties !!!

[Blue Boy]

After thinkin about namin a side for a couple of days now - I will put the following up for scrutiny !!!

I would really like to see the kids get given a real red hot go this year and not just 2 games in 4 games out all the time.

The crows have made a clear statement with the delistings so I would really support the idea of givin the all the kids full game time week in and week out.

I have named Hinge as I think he can play ( we should redraft him ) - his form in the SANFL towards the end of the year from what I saw is what an AFL player should be able to play like at SANFL level. I think he deserves a chance @ the very least.

FB Johncock - Rutten - Bassett
HB Van Berlo - Bock - Mcleod
C Reilly - Edwards - Knights
HF Douglas - Gill - Thompson
FF Porplyzia - Tippett - Burton
R Griffen - Goodwin - Shirley
INT Maric - Sellar - Symes - Hinge

Emegencies - Moran / Massie / Campbell

Trent Hentschell will come in to that side when fit again !!!

[Shirtfront]

Its interesting to see that not one team named Jericho apart from an Emergency Listing. Are we so wrong about him??????? Why can't the crows people see that he does not have what it takes.

[MagareyLegend]

The Crows will struggle to Plug the gap left by Welsh (Welsh Plug)

[sydney-dog]

Dutchy

I may be optimistic, however, I believe I have reason

In 2007, both Collingwood and Kanga's made the top 4 with ordinary lists, their success was largely driven by the young players, while Port and Hawthorn had great years which was also driven by youth

I also agree that the depth of other teams is very questionable, the Eagles have lost 2 all australian midfielders, sydney is aging, hawthorn, kanga's, collingwood and port will once again rely on the development of their young players..... except for the Cats, all the other clubs have question marks

On the crows, I believe Moran was recruited to play CHB, this stongly indicates that Bock will be used in some capacity up forward......., in regards to Johncock, I also believe, next year is trhe year stiffy will move to a wing or midfield role

NFC

On Gallman, like I said, I have only watched him once, however, any player that moves from playing u/19 to being selected in a senior GF side is a fair effort.

My assessment of Gallman is based on conversations whith people that have played and coached against the kid, for me this holds plenty of weight...

[sydney-dog]

Blue Boy

my point on Marty, he has been recruited as a defender not a midfielder, whether that is HVB or on the last line of defence, I am sure, given match up's, Marty may be required to play deep for sydney as well....

my frustration, people keep on blaming NC for not playing Marty on the wing, Marty will see limited time for Syd on the wing, his primary role will be a defender, whether that is HB or Deep

[Booney]

None of the mentioned forward lines strike any fear into opposition clubs.Does this mean the 'Prof' will play an even more defensive game plan? I for one think so.God help us.

[sydney-dog]

Booney

their also may be some ??? over the power forward line

Tredders - doubts on his fitness
White - disenchanted that he did not get traded
Westhoff - will need to add some body weight to be competitive in year 2
Motlop - goes missing in big games