Matt Rendell quits

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The plot thickens....

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 6304621909

Why has this only come out now??
WTF is going on here??

[HH3]

So he wanted to give them scholarships?

I know it sounds like the start of another stolen generation, but i dont think this would have been a case of taking the young Aboriginal boys away from their parents and not allowing them to return.

If I had an opportunity to go to a prestigious school on scholarship to improve my chances of being drafted, even if I had to move to Melbourne, I would jump at the chance.

But I guess this is where the cultural differences come into it. Im a white Australian with English heritage. Im not very knowledgable when it comes to family structures and such of central Australian Aboriginals.

If Mifsud took so much offence, how about keep the meeting going, explain to Rendell why that was such a bad idea. Instead of dobbing to the head honcho. And then for Andrew to just railroad him by going straight to the media at the same time as informing the Crows, thats just bad management.

[scoob]

The plot thickens....

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 6304621909

Why has this only come out now??
WTF is going on here??

Maybe any 10 year aboriginal child with football ability could be removed from their parents and brought up by white people to ensure they will survive in the world of the AFL... oh hang on....

[Footy Smart]

The plot thickens....

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 6304621909

Why has this only come out now??
WTF is going on here??

This complete article was addressed on footy classified. I see nothin new in it. The rumour of the other bloke being upset by the discussions were made and Rendell said his 'theory' re the scholarships which was in an effort to assist the aboriginal player succeeed not hinder. This Scholarship helped Cyril Rioli when he moved to Scotch College at age 14. He said he wanted to leave but his mum made him stay. Look at hime now, probably the most culturaly adjusted aboriginal played in the AFL.

Rucci NFI

[TEX07]

Rendell said that what he said was taken out of context, I was thinking in what context is what he was saying correct? The person he was speaking with was indigenous himself, why would he think that these comments wouldn't offend him?

In my opinion it is like sitting at a table with a fat person and making comments about the eating habits of another fat person across the room, then turning to the fat person at your table and saying "oh no offence". That doesn't make it right in any forum.

Using your theory though, was this a meeting where the pair were discussing recruiting issues and the future of recruiting?
If you were making comments about the eating habits of fat people at a health meeting, then the fat person should know those comments were being made in a professional context, shouldn't they?

My reference to the fat person was to point out that what is said in any situation can be taken as offensive to the people you are talking with. Even if it is not directed at them.

In any workplace you are not allowed to discriminate against anyone regarding race, religion, gender etc. By saying what he said he, lets say implied, that he would do just that. If you were recruiting someone to your workplace and didnt even give them an interview because they didnt have one white parent and this information was given to them what do you think they would do with it? I agree this should never have been made public before consulting with Rendell, but when you say these types of things you run the risk. If he had said that he would need to look into the family background of all new recruits before recruiting them I bet there would be no issue. I can guarantee that there are players who have much worse family situations than an indigenous kid who hasnt got one white parent.

I just think that we are all forgetting that this was not a chat at a pub nor was it two mates having dinner, it was a meeting discussing future recruiting and issues that arise. Sure there may be an issue with what Rendell implied but in todays day and age he just cant say it in that forum.

[HH3]

The plot thickens....

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport/afl ... 6304621909

Why has this only come out now??
WTF is going on here??

Maybe any 10 year aboriginal child with football ability could be removed from their parents and brought up by white people to ensure they will survive in the world of the AFL... oh hang on....

They would be about 16, not "brought up" but given a free education, as well as better prospects of potentially earning $200k+ to play football for a living, and I think there would be procedures in place so they could return home as frequent as possible.

[Booney]

So out of all this nothing will change because it simply too bloody difficult to speak openly and frankly about things like Rendell did/does for fear of stepping on someones toes.

No wonder the world is all ****** up.

[Footy Smart]

Rendell said that what he said was taken out of context, I was thinking in what context is what he was saying correct? The person he was speaking with was indigenous himself, why would he think that these comments wouldn't offend him?

In my opinion it is like sitting at a table with a fat person and making comments about the eating habits of another fat person across the room, then turning to the fat person at your table and saying "oh no offence". That doesn't make it right in any forum.

Using your theory though, was this a meeting where the pair were discussing recruiting issues and the future of recruiting?
If you were making comments about the eating habits of fat people at a health meeting, then the fat person should know those comments were being made in a professional context, shouldn't they?

My reference to the fat person was to point out that what is said in any situation can be taken as offensive to the people you are talking with. Even if it is not directed at them.

In any workplace you are not allowed to discriminate against anyone regarding race, religion, gender etc. By saying what he said he, lets say implied, that he would do just that. If you were recruiting someone to your workplace and didnt even give them an interview because they didnt have one white parent and this information was given to them what do you think they would do with it? I agree this should never have been made public before consulting with Rendell, but when you say these types of things you run the risk. If he had said that he would need to look into the family background of all new recruits before recruiting them I bet there would be no issue. I can guarantee that there are players who have much worse family situations than an indigenous kid who hasnt got one white parent.

I just think that we are all forgetting that this was not a chat at a pub nor was it two mates having dinner, it was a meeting discussing future recruiting and issues that arise. Sure there may be an issue with what Rendell implied but in todays day and age he just cant say it in that forum.

It wasnt a meeting, Rendell was on hollidays and happened to be at the club because two AIS lads were at training. Misfud as a mate, popped in and they had a chat about a range of things not just the aboriginal issues. That is when the comment was made, off the record and a discussion between mates. When Misfud raised the aboriginal issues that would be faced in the future (in light of the Jurrah incident) Andy D said have you got examples? He gave 3 or 4 and obviously a miss quote of the Rendell discussion fired up Andy D.

[Dissident]

I struggle to consider Matt Rendell racist after that article.
Even with the throwaway line.

[Dissident]

His proposal of getting Aboriginal kids in a few years early to "acclimatise" is an extension of how they help non-SA boys with flying parents over, and extra concessions/help they get after being drafted.

The "go home" factor is a hard one for clubs, regardless of who and why they want to go home.

This throwaway line at the end was a cynical and poorly thought out exclamation mark for his point.

[D14]

Now I have no idea what young Indigenous football player's in Central Australia training regime is like (I have heard in reports that they sometimes have to travel great distances to play games of footy) but I can understand that if they are not used to training everyday it would be extremely hard to settle in to AFL life once drafted. Adding to the fact they have to move into a totally new environment, I can understand that this new life could be too much for some of them.

When I was 15, I played school footy (public), club footy and was in the Norwood Development squad. I trained at least 4 nights a week and played 2 or 3 games a week. This was 17 years ago, I'm sure now days young guys aspiring to play AFL footy have a much heavier work load and are in part ready for the transition to AFL training.

Not sure if this went anywhere but it was just a thought....

[overloaded]

His proposal of getting Aboriginal kids in a few years early to "acclimatise" is an extension of how they help non-SA boys with flying parents over, and extra concessions/help they get after being drafted.

The "go home" factor is a hard one for clubs, regardless of who and why they want to go home.

This throwaway line at the end was a cynical and poorly thought out exclamation mark for his point.

spot on

[TEX07]

Rendell said that what he said was taken out of context, I was thinking in what context is what he was saying correct? The person he was speaking with was indigenous himself, why would he think that these comments wouldn't offend him?

In my opinion it is like sitting at a table with a fat person and making comments about the eating habits of another fat person across the room, then turning to the fat person at your table and saying "oh no offence". That doesn't make it right in any forum.

Using your theory though, was this a meeting where the pair were discussing recruiting issues and the future of recruiting?
If you were making comments about the eating habits of fat people at a health meeting, then the fat person should know those comments were being made in a professional context, shouldn't they?

My reference to the fat person was to point out that what is said in any situation can be taken as offensive to the people you are talking with. Even if it is not directed at them.

In any workplace you are not allowed to discriminate against anyone regarding race, religion, gender etc. By saying what he said he, lets say implied, that he would do just that. If you were recruiting someone to your workplace and didnt even give them an interview because they didnt have one white parent and this information was given to them what do you think they would do with it? I agree this should never have been made public before consulting with Rendell, but when you say these types of things you run the risk. If he had said that he would need to look into the family background of all new recruits before recruiting them I bet there would be no issue. I can guarantee that there are players who have much worse family situations than an indigenous kid who hasnt got one white parent.

I just think that we are all forgetting that this was not a chat at a pub nor was it two mates having dinner, it was a meeting discussing future recruiting and issues that arise. Sure there may be an issue with what Rendell implied but in todays day and age he just cant say it in that forum.

It wasnt a meeting, Rendell was on hollidays and happened to be at the club because two AIS lads were at training. Misfud as a mate, popped in and they had a chat about a range of things not just the aboriginal issues. That is when the comment was made, off the record and a discussion between mates. When Misfud raised the aboriginal issues that would be faced in the future (in light of the Jurrah incident) Andy D said have you got examples? He gave 3 or 4 and obviously a miss quote of the Rendell discussion fired up Andy D.

OK, so meeting it wasnt. Unfortunately my point is that we all need to be careful in what we say nowadays. And from hearing Rendell speak he was probably speaking more from his heart than his head because he though he was speaking with mates. Poorly worded point he was trying to make. Dont get me wrong, I feel for him and personally dont think he should have lost his job because when he said what he did Misfud should have stopped him and said he was crossing a line. I am just not all that sure what else AFC could have done in the end once it became public.

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If it was a private unofficial conversation between two "mates" it should never have been made public, let alone eventuate into a sacking FFS

[Footy Smart]

OK, so meeting it wasnt. Unfortunately my point is that we all need to be careful in what we say nowadays. And from hearing Rendell speak he was probably speaking more from his heart than his head because he though he was speaking with mates. Poorly worded point he was trying to make. Dont get me wrong, I feel for him and personally dont think he should have lost his job because when he said what he did Misfud should have stopped him and said he was crossing a line. I am just not all that sure what else AFC could have done in the end once it became public.

Yeah AFC were damned if they did damned if they didnt. even rendell said that the mud would stick. Misfud un intentionally put his mate in the shite when he used it as an example. Have to be very careful what you say more importantly that who you say it to these days.

[TEX07]

OK, so meeting it wasnt. Unfortunately my point is that we all need to be careful in what we say nowadays. And from hearing Rendell speak he was probably speaking more from his heart than his head because he though he was speaking with mates. Poorly worded point he was trying to make. Dont get me wrong, I feel for him and personally dont think he should have lost his job because when he said what he did Misfud should have stopped him and said he was crossing a line. I am just not all that sure what else AFC could have done in the end once it became public.

Yeah AFC were damned if they did damned if they didnt. even rendell said that the mud would stick. Misfud un intentionally put his mate in the shite when he used it as an example. Have to be very careful what you say more importantly that who you say it to these days.

I was drunk in a cab with co-workers and said some ordinary stuff about other co-workers, didnt think that the people I was talking to thought much of them either. Turns out they do! I was lucky they didnt say (or remember) anything but it made for a fairly nervous xmas break a few years back

[Dissident]

Guess Dipper feels lucky to still have a job eh?

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Guess Dipper feels lucky to still have a job eh?

Yeah good point there.
What would the difference in Dipper saying Wanganeen wasnt bad for an abo and hypothetically, Wanganeen saying Dipper wasnt bad for a wog?

[Gingernuts]

A magnificently written piece about this issue:

http://footyalmanac.com.au/?p=34673

A bit lengthy, but well worth the read. Summarises the situation beautifully IMO.

[story of my life]

The worst thing about this whole debacle is will someone with a great idea on '"attrition rates" be to scared to mention it in case he too is branded a racist .
I still cant see how Rendells' comments can be seen as racist when they have been clarified and put in there correct context. The blokes been screwed. Maybe this should be on the conspiracy theory thread but I just wonder if Andy D went so hard because of Rendells comments about G.W.S.