Collingwood Star in trouble

[CUTTERMAN]

I think they have a responsibility to being professional footy players in a team that's trying to make the finals and hopefully get to play in the finals, obviously playing AFL footy, the money, the club and their own professionalism and health doesn't mean that much to them. No, I agree, well done to the Collywobbles, finally they've taken a stand, harsh but fair considering the bulls**t they've put the club through.

[Hondo]

Oh well Rotter - you are are trying to make an ideological comment about whether AFL players are role models and therefore have higher behaviour expectations than others

But you are using the worst possible incident as an example

An incident that involves drink driving, lying to your peers and mates and setting up your employer for public ridicule

If you were my mate, and you did all those things I would judge you badly for it - and you've played no AFL games I assume. If you were in the public eye and my son looked up to you as his hero .... well I'd be even more dirty on you.

That's it for me I'll catch you next time you start calling people self righteous pricks when you don't know them. And I'll leave the 2 personal insults directed at me I am not surprised you played the man and not the ball.

[Rotter]

Oh well Rotter - you are are trying to make an ideological comment about whether AFL players are role models and therefore have higher behaviour expectations than others

But you are using the worst possible incident as an example

An incident that involves drink driving, lying to your peers and mates and setting up your employer for public ridicule

If you were my mate, and you did all those things I would judge you badly for it - and you've played no AFL games I assume. If you were in the public eye and my son looked up to you as his hero .... well I'd be even more dirty on you.

That's it for me I'll catch you next time you start calling people self righteous pricks when you don't know them. And I'll leave the 2 personal insults directed at me I am not surprised you played the man and not the ball.

Good comeback and don't assume anything, you know what happens and in this case you have

[Squawk]

One wonders how much longer it will be before AFL clubs require every player and staff member to undergo an annual police check. For starters, they all work with kids and these days most professions working with kids (and even volunteers) have to have a police check.

[Adelaide Hawk]

One wonders how much longer it will be before AFL clubs require every player and staff member to undergo an annual police check. For starters, they all work with kids and these days most professions working with kids (and even volunteers) have to have a police check.

That's a fair point, and do you know what? If someone wanted to pay me a 6 figure salary to do something I enjoy, I would be quite happy to undergo police checks, and any other check my employer deems necessary.

I would also agree to keep myself in peak physical condition and prepare myself to perform at the best level possible in my employment as to justify my income, and in order to push claims for future wage increases.

I would agree to not be out at ungodly hours of the night, mix with undesirables, and perform illegal acts.

I would agree to not embarrass my employer or my industry in any way, shape or form.

I would agree to a clause in my contract that empowers my employer with the right to terminate my contract forthwith, and not have to pay out my contract.

I would respect the fact that I was in a privileged position and am therefore expected not to behave as a "normal" person. I am so tired of hearing people defend poor behaviour of footballers with the "boys will be boys" analogy.

MOST players would agree to this ... a small percentage wouldn't. It's this small percentage of players who need to be weeded out of the game. Time to make the standard playing contract more legally binding than it obviously is now.

If the player cannot agree to these terms, then don't agree to become an AFL player and waste everyone's time. If you want to go to pubs, drink and drive, pee on restaurant windows, fight in clubs, take drugs, hang with gangsters, run from booze buses, lie to employers, etc, and play a little bit of footy in your spare time, then join a parklands club. Professional sport is not for you.

[Squawk]

I would agree to a clause in my contract that empowers my employer with the right to terminate my contract forthwith, and not have to pay out my contract.

Collingwood could do that now at common law and they've all but said that the actions of the players strike at the heart of the contract itself, (except they have said the actions strike at the issue of trust, honesty and integrity). I'd hazard a guess and say they are worth more as trading chips (where they will at least get something for them) rather than just casting them adrift for no return, hence they haven't been sacked.

[Booney]

Staggers me how many self righteous pricks there are on this forum. I wish I'd lived a holier than thou existence many of you have though it must be nice to sit in judgement with such surety.

LMAO.

I have never been done drink driving at 3 times the leagal limit,so,if I am to judge him whats your problem with it?

[Ian]

Rotter, perhaps the players have to abide by a code of conduct in which they are employed ?

I know that if I got pi55ed and drove and lost my license, my code of conduct from my ex workplace
meant that I had to resign as I could not do my job with out a valid drivers license...

Also covered public behaviour in uniform as even though I may not of been working, I represented
the company as I wore there uniform....

Like it or not they represent the Collingwood Footy Club, and if they bring the club into a bad light then
they face the consequences just as I would've for my previous company for doing such.....

That is not uncommon.

The Public Service Management Act (PSM Act) is the award that all South Australian public servants are employeed under. There is a clause in there that says that if you do anything that could reflect poorly on the Govt or Dept that you are employed by, whether the conduct occured while at work or in your private life, you are liable for disciplinary action. If found to be guilty, the penalty can be loss of leave entitlements, reduction in salary (dropping in classification) or dismissal, if the indescression was a criminal offence, the later will happen. I know of more than one case where it has been enforced for non work related actions, they resulted in reprimand with good behaviour bond, a couple of others that were in work time (minor things) resulted in drop in salary and in a couple of cases, loss of leave entitlements as well.

Some private companys also have very strict codes of conduct that have serious penalties as well.

[gadj1976]

Does Didak's 'new' contract override his 'old' one that I understand was due to expire on 31 Oct 08?

[Dirko]

This is worth a laugh....

CLICK HERE

A quote from the article in which Eddie gave a speech about sacrifice for the Collingwood FC.

"It is believed Mr McGuire indicated being president had cost him "four or five" Gold logies. He refused further comment last night."

LMFAO !! Go Eddie !!

[The Wuss]

Rotter, perhaps the players have to abide by a code of conduct in which they are employed ?

I know that if I got pi55ed and drove and lost my license, my code of conduct from my ex workplace
meant that I had to resign as I could not do my job with out a valid drivers license...

Also covered public behaviour in uniform as even though I may not of been working, I represented
the company as I wore there uniform....

Like it or not they represent the Collingwood Footy Club, and if they bring the club into a bad light then
they face the consequences just as I would've for my previous company for doing such.....

That is not uncommon.

The Public Service Management Act (PSM Act) is the award that all South Australian public servants are employeed under. There is a clause in there that says that if you do anything that could reflect poorly on the Govt or Dept that you are employed by, whether the conduct occured while at work or in your private life, you are liable for disciplinary action. If found to be guilty, the penalty can be loss of leave entitlements, reduction in salary (dropping in classification) or dismissal, if the indescression was a criminal offence, the later will happen. I know of more than one case where it has been enforced for non work related actions, they resulted in reprimand with good behaviour bond, a couple of others that were in work time (minor things) resulted in drop in salary and in a couple of cases, loss of leave entitlements as well.

Some private companys also have very strict codes of conduct that have serious penalties as well.

I once heard about a policy that the Western Force (Ruby Union Team) have in place with their players, and i am lead to believe it is part of their contract....

When turning up to recovery each player is individually tested for the presence of Drugs or Alcohol within their system, if said player fails the test they are suspended for X number of weeks.

I'm kinda suprised that no AFL Clubs have followed this lead.

[Psyber]

There is a letter in The Age today from someone who knows the yougsters whose cars were hit and towed away. He or she points out that they were students working to put themselves through Uni, who can't afford to be without their cars to get to work, and one at least was uninsured. There will be delay in their cars being repaired or replaced, and in all this no one has apologised to them for the effects of the incident, or offered to help them out..

[Adelaide Hawk]

I once heard about a policy that the Western Force (Ruby Union Team) have in place with their players, and i am lead to believe it is part of their contract....

When turning up to recovery each player is individually tested for the presence of Drugs or Alcohol within their system, if said player fails the test they are suspended for X number of weeks.

I'm kinda suprised that no AFL Clubs have followed this lead.

The AFL clubs don't do the testing, so they have no idea which players have tested positive. The first thing they know about it is if a player reaches 3 strikes, or if someone from the media steals the records.

It is a very unsatisfactory arrangement, especially for the clubs.

[Adelaide Hawk]

There is a letter in The Age today from someone who knows the yougsters whose cars were hit and towed away. He or she points out that they were students working to put themselves through Uni, who can't afford to be without their cars to get to work, and one at least was uninsured. There will be delay in their cars being repaired or replaced, and in all this no one has apologised to them for the effects of the incident, or offered to help them out..

And nor will they. This is my problem about how insular and self indulgent the football world is. They'd be worried about the brand of the game, the effects of the actions on the club, rehabilitation of the player, etc ... they wouldn't give a stuff about any innocent third party who suffers as a result of the actions of recalcitrant players.

[JK]

Rotter, perhaps the players have to abide by a code of conduct in which they are employed ?

I know that if I got pi55ed and drove and lost my license, my code of conduct from my ex workplace
meant that I had to resign as I could not do my job with out a valid drivers license...

Also covered public behaviour in uniform as even though I may not of been working, I represented
the company as I wore there uniform....

Like it or not they represent the Collingwood Footy Club, and if they bring the club into a bad light then
they face the consequences just as I would've for my previous company for doing such.....

That is not uncommon.

The Public Service Management Act (PSM Act) is the award that all South Australian public servants are employeed under. There is a clause in there that says that if you do anything that could reflect poorly on the Govt or Dept that you are employed by, whether the conduct occured while at work or in your private life, you are liable for disciplinary action. If found to be guilty, the penalty can be loss of leave entitlements, reduction in salary (dropping in classification) or dismissal, if the indescression was a criminal offence, the later will happen. I know of more than one case where it has been enforced for non work related actions, they resulted in reprimand with good behaviour bond, a couple of others that were in work time (minor things) resulted in drop in salary and in a couple of cases, loss of leave entitlements as well.

Some private companys also have very strict codes of conduct that have serious penalties as well.

I once heard about a policy that the Western Force (Ruby Union Team) have in place with their players, and i am lead to believe it is part of their contract....

When turning up to recovery each player is individually tested for the presence of Drugs or Alcohol within their system, if said player fails the test they are suspended for X number of weeks.

I'm kinda suprised that no AFL Clubs have followed this lead.

According to Rucci (when I called 5AA to discuss this point a while back) the AFLPA wouldn't allow such a situation to be implemented.

[Drop Bear]

Spoiled Rotten.

[Sojourner]

There is a letter in The Age today from someone who knows the yougsters whose cars were hit and towed away. He or she points out that they were students working to put themselves through Uni, who can't afford to be without their cars to get to work, and one at least was uninsured. There will be delay in their cars being repaired or replaced, and in all this no one has apologised to them for the effects of the incident, or offered to help them out..

Clearly in this case the Collingwood Football Club should help them out. Considering they are one of the wealthiest clubs in the AFL it shouldent be that hard to extend a lease on some of their vehicles that are due to be returned and at the same time organise the neccessary repairs at one of the crash shops that sponsor the club. Clearly they dont have to do anything, yet in the spirit of a fair go, the club should do something to help them out to try and at least make something good happen out of the whole affair.

[magpie in the 80's]

There is a letter in The Age today from someone who knows the yougsters whose cars were hit and towed away. He or she points out that they were students working to put themselves through Uni, who can't afford to be without their cars to get to work, and one at least was uninsured. There will be delay in their cars being repaired or replaced, and in all this no one has apologised to them for the effects of the incident, or offered to help them out..

And nor will they. This is my problem about how insular and self indulgent the football world is. They'd be worried about the brand of the game, the effects of the actions on the club, rehabilitation of the player, etc ... they wouldn't give a stuff about any innocent third party who suffers as a result of the actions of recalcitrant players.

quoted by mark kleiman (players manager)

Kleiman said Heath Shaw was keen to repay the owners of the two cars he careered into late on Sunday night while under the influence of alcohol.

"He really hasn't got a leg to stand on in a lot of areas," Kleiman said.

"We will be endeavouring to make sure everyone is adequately compensated and that everyone can move on with their lives."

[Punk Rooster]

There is a letter in The Age today from someone who knows the yougsters whose cars were hit and towed away. He or she points out that they were students working to put themselves through Uni, who can't afford to be without their cars to get to work, and one at least was uninsured. There will be delay in their cars being repaired or replaced, and in all this no one has apologised to them for the effects of the incident, or offered to help them out..

Clearly in this case the Collingwood Football Club should help them out. Considering they are one of the wealthiest clubs in the AFL it shouldent be that hard to extend a lease on some of their vehicles that are due to be returned and at the same time organise the neccessary repairs at one of the crash shops that sponsor the club. Clearly they dont have to do anything, yet in the spirit of a fair go, the club should do something to help them out to try and at least make something good happen out of the whole affair.

you mean like the Crow's did with Johncock's victims, & the Power did with Pickett's?

[Psyber]

There is a letter in The Age today from someone who knows the yougsters whose cars were hit and towed away. He or she points out that they were students working to put themselves through Uni, who can't afford to be without their cars to get to work, and one at least was uninsured. There will be delay in their cars being repaired or replaced, and in all this no one has apologised to them for the effects of the incident, or offered to help them out..

Clearly in this case the Collingwood Football Club should help them out. Considering they are one of the wealthiest clubs in the AFL it shouldent be that hard to extend a lease on some of their vehicles that are due to be returned and at the same time organise the neccessary repairs at one of the crash shops that sponsor the club. Clearly they dont have to do anything, yet in the spirit of a fair go, the club should do something to help them out to try and at least make something good happen out of the whole affair.

you mean like the Crow's did with Johncock's victims, & the Power did with Pickett's?

They should have too.