Are the Roos the worst PF team ever?

[Dutchy]

Fair call Halo....

Wonder what NFC thinks of clubs such as Bullies, Richmond, Saints, Collingwood, Geelong, Freo, Melbourne, Hawks....who would all loved 1/10th of the success the Roos have had in the last 14 years....its been a great ride and Im optimistic we will be around the place in the seasons to come....

[RoosterMarty]

Pretty embarrassing effort by the Kangas. Yeah they did well to make the top 4 after some tipped them to finish bottom but they were then absolutely flogged TWICE in the finals. It is pretty pathetic and proves this 'Shinboner Spirit' crap is a myth. Where was the SS in September? Their recent finals is terrible also. I would not be happy with the season if I was a Roo.

[Booney]

I guess the Shinboner argument begs the question.

Do the Kangaroos posess less 'Shonboner' spirit because of name change and evolution,much as Port Adelaide (supposedly) possess less spirit than the Magpie of old?

For me,'Shinboner' is a term of yesteryear.

[stan]

The Roos have over achieved all year with a ordinary list , not one Kangaroo player would make The Powers starting 18 .

They must be seriously considering becoming the Gold Coast Roos or all they will become is a memory .

If they over achieved than good on them. Played above themselves when christ good on ya. Better to over achieve than end up like st.kilda and under achieving so bad that we all start talking about windows and bullshit like that.

As for no kanga playes making it in to port starting line up. You must be high or something, Grant, Harvey, Wells, McIntosh etc plenty more names as well.

[Hafey]

If they over achieved than good on them. Played above themselves when christ good on ya. Better to over achieve than end up like st.kilda and under achieving so bad that we all start talking about windows and bullshit like that.

As for no kanga playes making it in to port starting line up. You must be high or something, Grant, Harvey, Wells, McIntosh etc plenty more names as well.

Get your hand off it stan , the kangaroos have a finals loosing record of an average of 64 pts over the past 10 years . 10 GOALS !!! only there making up the numbers on those stats . They talk about shinboner spirit , its a myth and the roos do the opposite eg drop there heads when behind , drop there bundle and point the finger at everyone else . This is the facts .

The players you mention , Williams wouldnt pick anyone of those guys before his current squad . Grant , Wells or Harvey wouldnt get in there mid field and McIntosh is going to be good player but come on , no way you would drop Lade or Brogan for him .

[stan]

If they over achieved than good on them. Played above themselves when christ good on ya. Better to over achieve than end up like st.kilda and under achieving so bad that we all start talking about windows and bullshit like that.

As for no kanga playes making it in to port starting line up. You must be high or something, Grant, Harvey, Wells, McIntosh etc plenty more names as well.

Get your hand off it stan , the kangaroos have a finals loosing record of an average of 64 pts over the past 10 years . 10 GOALS !!! only there making up the numbers on those stats . They talk about shinboner spirit , its a myth and the roos do the opposite eg drop there heads when behind , drop there bundle and point the finger at everyone else . This is the facts .

The players you mention , Williams wouldnt pick anyone of those guys before his current squad . Grant , Wells or Harvey wouldnt get in there mid field and McIntosh is going to be good player but come on , no way you would drop Lade or Brogan for him .

Hafey I'll get my hand of it when you pull your head out of your arse.

So you dont think Harvey is good enough to make it into the port Midfield. Well if you think that its your opinion, but I disagree. Also Hafey what team do you support?

[Hafey]

Stan i am a proud Pt Adelaide / Pt Power supporter . Harvey is out of form and in " my opinion " wouldnt get into Ports mid field . Kane Cornes , Chad Cornes , Dom Cassisi , S Burgoyne , P Burgoyne , D Rodan , D Pearce .... who you going to drop ??

[Dutchy]

Get your hand off it stan , the kangaroos have a finals loosing record of an average of 64 pts over the past 10 years . 10 GOALS !!! only there making up the numbers on those stats

only there making up the numbers? well in the last 11 seasons its 2 flags and 5 prelim finals...whats the Powers record over the same period?

[stan]

Stan i am a proud Pt Adelaide / Pt Power supporter . Harvey is out of form and in " my opinion " wouldnt get into Ports mid field . Kane Cornes , Chad Cornes , Dom Cassisi , S Burgoyne , P Burgoyne , D Rodan , D Pearce .... who you going to drop ??

P. Burgoyne plays across half back?

I think Harvey would fit into your rotations there.

[Dutchy]

One has to wonder how Motlop gets a game for the Power considering he was from the Roos?

[carey18]

Stan i am a proud Pt Adelaide / Pt Power supporter . Harvey is out of form and in " my opinion " wouldnt get into Ports mid field . Kane Cornes , Chad Cornes , Dom Cassisi , S Burgoyne , P Burgoyne , D Rodan , D Pearce .... who you going to drop ??

Pearce wouldnt tie up Harveys boot laces!

[haloman]

Stan i am a proud Pt Adelaide / Pt Power supporter . Harvey is out of form and in " my opinion " wouldnt get into Ports mid field . Kane Cornes , Chad Cornes , Dom Cassisi , S Burgoyne , P Burgoyne , D Rodan , D Pearce .... who you going to drop ??

Pearce wouldnt tie up Harveys boot laces!

He could probably help count his Brownlow votes though, he might need a hand in that department. 20 Brownlow votes for Harvey, 5 BOG's on the trott, and this bloke couldn't get a game in the Power midfield?
I reckon Chocko could find space for him Hafey. One thing being a passionate Power man, another thing bagging great players who you probably see play once or twice a season.

[haloman]

This shinbonner spirit thing is no myth. Tell that to a Kanga's player and see what his response is. I think the Kangaroo's have a history of being over achievers, especially in the past decade or so. Go back through the list they carried through the early 90's up through until today.
I remember going down to footy park early in 93 to watch an Anset cup match against the Roo's and we flogged them by 120 pts. 6 weeks later we played them again, same ground, pritty much same playing group.
We snuck over the line by a couple of goals from memory and it took Modra kicking 10 on Archer to do it. Not a bad turn around in 6 weeks. This is just one example of many the Roos have handed out in the last 15 years of their fighting spirit. I don't personally believe their playing lists in 96 and 99 were that much better than the teams they played on GF day. (Perhaps in 99 it might have been) Infact, I've always said 96 was won simply on character and heart. Sydney possesed the better skilled side, just didn't want it as bad. The Kangaroos Footy Club has made a habit of surprising people and surpassing expectations and I don't think anyone should take that away from them.
The difference in finals is that, for the most part, everyone wants to win just as bad as everyone else, and normally the best side wins. In the case of this seasons finals I think it showed just how GOOD a job the Roo's did in getting so close, not vise-versa.

[Dissident]

This shinbonner spirit thing is no myth. Tell that to a Kanga's player and see what his response is. I think the Kangaroo's have a history of being over achievers, especially in the past decade or so. Go back through the list they carried through the early 90's up through until today.

I guess you could argue also, that having a history of over-achieving means you're actually really good.
And maybe, just maybe, the list was under-rated

[haloman]

Yea this is a tough topic and it really is all in the eye of the beholder.
IMHO I have never really rated North's list that much, even in their preimership years, but they just seam to keep getting the job done. That is something I have total respect for as a Non North supporter.
Maybe it is me under rating them, I don't know.
As for this season, If you get belted in TWO finals then it's no fluke. When teams match the Kanga's for intensity and hardness they can win and win comfortably.............problem is its bloody hard to match that type of intensity. Some recruiting people have signature traits they look for in players and obviously at the Kangas their recruiting guys place a fairly high regard on toughness and courage. Perhaps our recruiting "gurus" at the Crows could start doing the same.

[Pup]

Stan i am a proud Pt Adelaide / Pt Power supporter . Harvey is out of form and in " my opinion " wouldnt get into Ports mid field . Kane Cornes , Chad Cornes , Dom Cassisi , S Burgoyne , P Burgoyne , D Rodan , D Pearce .... who you going to drop ??

Oh dear surely you are not that biased are you?

He would play in a fully fit WCE's side with Judd, Cousins, Kerr, Embley, Steinglein all playing, so for you to try and tell us that you would pick Rodan, Pearce, Cassisi and Peter Burgoyne (Who Plays the majority on the HBF) before Harvey is embarrassing for you and insulting to Kangaroos supporters and players. Interesting i would nearly select McIntosh before Brogan as well, remember this is the bloke that was third in line for All Australian behind Lade and Cox. Wells is arguable as well.

I am not sure how many games you watch (Non Port) but IMO you should watch a few more next year to fully appreciate some of their players values.

[the wonder elephant]

If they over achieved than good on them. Played above themselves when christ good on ya. Better to over achieve than end up like st.kilda and under achieving so bad that we all start talking about windows and bullshit like that.

As for no kanga playes making it in to port starting line up. You must be high or something, Grant, Harvey, Wells, McIntosh etc plenty more names as well.

Get your hand off it stan , the kangaroos have a finals loosing record of an average of 64 pts over the past 10 years . 10 GOALS !!! only there making up the numbers on those stats . They talk about shinboner spirit , its a myth and the roos do the opposite eg drop there heads when behind , drop there bundle and point the finger at everyone else . This is the facts .

The players you mention , Williams wouldnt pick anyone of those guys before his current squad . Grant , Wells or Harvey wouldnt get in there mid field and McIntosh is going to be good player but come on , no way you would drop Lade or Brogan for him .

hafey you idiot why make such a stupid statement any club in the afl would take boomer in a heartbeat