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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Rik E Boy » Mon Oct 25, 2010 8:12 am

sapaul wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:Craig I believe should not be mentioned in this thread but a high winning percentage without being able to bring home the bacon is hardly a selling point.


Yet. Only been coaching AFL for 6 years. Took Malthouse 9 years before winning a flag as a coach. Took Thompson 8 years.


And the Crows won't win the premiership in the next two years. When that happens I reckon Craig will be gone.

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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Gingernuts » Mon Oct 25, 2010 9:05 am

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Yeah Yeah we get it, no one rates Craig.

I'm not gonna waste my breath again. Instead I've decided to quote MP in my sig and we'll let time decide whether he's right or wrong. ;)
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Booney » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:24 am

Gingernuts wrote:(-|

Yeah Yeah we get it, no one rates Craig.

I'm not gonna waste my breath again. Instead I've decided to quote MP in my sig and we'll let time decide whether he's right or wrong. ;)


Careful, you might have that signature for a little while to come.. ;)
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Gingernuts » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:27 am

Booney wrote:
Gingernuts wrote:(-|

Yeah Yeah we get it, no one rates Craig.

I'm not gonna waste my breath again. Instead I've decided to quote MP in my sig and we'll let time decide whether he's right or wrong. ;)


Careful, you might have that signature for a little while to come.. ;)


Yep, it's a risky move but I'm gonna do a Triggy and back Craigy in.


So to speak.

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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby cripple » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:38 am

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cripple wrote:When will supporters of the 14 non-adelaide teams in the AFL stop whinging and moaning about the favouritism and biased reporting the crows and power get.

Port don't get nearly as much media coverage here as the Crows do.

During the football season there is always more articles in the Advertiser/Sunday mail about the Crows than the Power, most are written by guys such as Chris McDermott who is the most one-eyed journalist in the whole country. When I go to watch the sports news on channel 7, 9 and 10 the first article is always about the Crows and it's always the longest article for the entire sports news, unless there's a big AFL story brewing eg. Ben Cousins.

To say that the Crows and Power have equal coverage is incorrect. The AFC have more money and a bigger supportor base than the PAFC, so it always has more coverage because more people want to know about the Crows than the Power.


Never said they get equal coverage and port do cop the rough end in terms of local coverage compared to the crows. However they still get a lot more then the other 14 clubs in the comp and are usually used as an example of unfair and biased reporting in the SA media
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Rik E Boy » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:51 am

Gingernuts wrote:(-|

Yeah Yeah we get it, no one rates Craig.

I'm not gonna waste my breath again. Instead I've decided to quote MP in my sig and we'll let time decide whether he's right or wrong. ;)


Craig not the worst, in fact he has proven to be quite innovative over the years. But he's shown at two clubs his method does not cut the mustard in September. I reckon the Crows might have done a reasonable job of 'rebuilding on the fly' so I'm not in full agreement with my fellow Catter.

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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Rik E Boy » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:52 am

cripple wrote:
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cripple wrote:When will supporters of the 14 non-adelaide teams in the AFL stop whinging and moaning about the favouritism and biased reporting the crows and power get.

Port don't get nearly as much media coverage here as the Crows do.

During the football season there is always more articles in the Advertiser/Sunday mail about the Crows than the Power, most are written by guys such as Chris McDermott who is the most one-eyed journalist in the whole country. When I go to watch the sports news on channel 7, 9 and 10 the first article is always about the Crows and it's always the longest article for the entire sports news, unless there's a big AFL story brewing eg. Ben Cousins.

To say that the Crows and Power have equal coverage is incorrect. The AFC have more money and a bigger supportor base than the PAFC, so it always has more coverage because more people want to know about the Crows than the Power.


Never said they get equal coverage and port do cop the rough end in terms of local coverage compared to the crows. However they still get a lot more then the other 14 clubs in the comp and are usually used as an example of unfair and biased reporting in the SA media


You can always move interstate and listen to the media crap on about Rugby League. ;)

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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Media Park » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:54 am

Booney wrote:
Gingernuts wrote:(-|

Yeah Yeah we get it, no one rates Craig.

I'm not gonna waste my breath again. Instead I've decided to quote MP in my sig and we'll let time decide whether he's right or wrong. ;)


Careful, you might have that signature for a little while to come.. ;)


I'm gonna enjoy seeing that sig for many a year Gingernuts... 8)
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Hondo » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:58 am

NC is 3-6 is finals - that's if you assume the ONLY factor in winning or losing a final is the coach. Which it isn't.

I phrase it as Adelaide are 3-6 in finals while NC has been coach.

Of the 6 losses 2 stand out as games we should have won (St Kilda 2005, Collingwood 2008) and 2 we let slip large half time leads (Hawthorn 2007 and Collingwood 2009) in games I didn't think we would win when it started but we then played well enough to win them.

I still maintain the Collingwood final was always going to be tough once Knights went down and we were one man down against the team that was starting to set huge new benchmarks in player rotations. We lost both the Hawthorn and Collingwood games with long goals outside 50 close to or after the siren. In those sort of games you would usually end up 1-1 after 2 games. We came up 0-2.

That leaves the St K and Collingwood losses as inexcusable. It also leaves 3 wins including one against the reigning premier and our nemesis at the time, Port Adelaide.

Take from that what you will. We need to get another top 4 side and finish top 4 and another 2 home finals and see where that takes us. I'm still backing him in.
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Rik E Boy » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:40 pm

Hondo wrote: We lost both the Hawthorn and Collingwood games with long goals outside 50 close to or after the siren.


In that Hawthorn game he left Kris Massie on Buddy Franklin all day. He also vetoed the selection of Ruccuito that day and he was clearly on one leg. BUZZZZ.

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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby sapaul » Mon Oct 25, 2010 12:45 pm

Gingernuts wrote:Yep, it's a risky move but I'm gonna do a Triggy and back Craigy in.


So to speak.

;)


Likewise and if you take away rounds 1 - 6 (yes I know we can't :roll: ), we went 9 and 7 after that and that would still see us in the top 8 if the season only went from round 7 - 22. Not a premiership side but still around the place.

re your sig, reckon you'll have pwnd MP by next year. He has said we'll only get worse and premiership window won't open anytime soon. We'll finish in the mid part of the 8 next year and that window will well and truly be open again. 8)
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Gingernuts » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:18 pm

sapaul wrote:re your sig, reckon you'll have pwnd MP by next year. He has said we'll only get worse and premiership window won't open anytime soon. We'll finish in the mid part of the 8 next year and that window will well and truly be open again. 8)


I've MP's first point covered, we'll be back playing finals next year. The second point is where it gets a bit risky, but we'll see. :lol:
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Hondo » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:31 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:
Hondo wrote: We lost both the Hawthorn and Collingwood games with long goals outside 50 close to or after the siren.


In that Hawthorn game he left Kris Massie on Buddy Franklin all day. He also vetoed the selection of Ruccuito that day and he was clearly on one leg. BUZZZZ.

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And yet despite being 8th and playing 5th in Melbourne it took Buddy 50-50 Franklin to make a 60m bomb from the boundary after the siren to beat us!
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Rik E Boy » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:34 pm

Hondo wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:
Hondo wrote: We lost both the Hawthorn and Collingwood games with long goals outside 50 close to or after the siren.


In that Hawthorn game he left Kris Massie on Buddy Franklin all day. He also vetoed the selection of Ruccuito that day and he was clearly on one leg. BUZZZZ.

regards,

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And yet despite being 8th and playing 5th in Melbourne it took Buddy 50-50 Franklin to make a 60m bomb from the boundary after the siren to beat us!


You're right. That defeat that should never have happened was a brilliant coaching performance!

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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Dogwatcher » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:35 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That was a sweet game to watch.
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Phantom Gossiper » Mon Oct 25, 2010 1:46 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:You can always move interstate and listen to the media crap on about Rugby League. ;)

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:-bd :-bd sounds good to me :D
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Hondo » Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:28 pm

Rik E Boy wrote:You're right. That defeat that should never have happened was a brilliant coaching performance!

regards,

REB


That's like saying the Nick Davis goal blitz in the last quarter v Sydney in Sydney in that final was all Bomber Thompson's fault. It's just footy sometimes that things roll the right way at the right time for a team. Blightly likes to talk about the footy gods. He's a good example. At Geelong he couldn't win a flag at 3 attempts so you could assume there's some coaching flaw on GF day. Comes to Adelaide and he goes back to back first up.

Teams come back from deficits all the time. You can point to Massis v Franklin yet to 3 quarter time Massie had done a good job it was only the last quarter where Buddy got away from us however Buddy gets away from a lot of players and if Scott Thompson doesn't kick out on the full then Buddy doesn't even have that shot for goal.

My main point is pinning a game result solely on the coach. Yes, he is part of the equation but there's 22 players on the field who need to get the job done as well.

I am sure Geelong could have won 2 flags in 2007-2009 under more coaches than just Bomber Thompson. With that playing list even NC would have had 2 flags by now! ;)
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Hondo » Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:31 pm

Dogwatcher wrote::lol: :lol: :lol:

That was a sweet game to watch.


No ... it was painful :(

Not so painful as the Collingwood loss last season which I rate as one of the great finals where we were one free kick away from possibly burying the NC can't win finals theory. Well, burying it for one year or two anyway.
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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Rik E Boy » Mon Oct 25, 2010 3:48 pm

Hondo wrote:
Rik E Boy wrote:You're right. That defeat that should never have happened was a brilliant coaching performance!

regards,

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That's like saying the Nick Davis goal blitz in the last quarter v Sydney in Sydney in that final was all Bomber Thompson's fault. It's just footy sometimes that things roll the right way at the right time for a team. Blightly likes to talk about the footy gods. He's a good example. At Geelong he couldn't win a flag at 3 attempts so you could assume there's some coaching flaw on GF day. Comes to Adelaide and he goes back to back first up.

Teams come back from deficits all the time. You can point to Massis v Franklin yet to 3 quarter time Massie had done a good job it was only the last quarter where Buddy got away from us however Buddy gets away from a lot of players and if Scott Thompson doesn't kick out on the full then Buddy doesn't even have that shot for goal.

My main point is pinning a game result solely on the coach. Yes, he is part of the equation but there's 22 players on the field who need to get the job done as well.

I am sure Geelong could have won 2 flags in 2007-2009 under more coaches than just Bomber Thompson. With that playing list even NC would have had 2 flags by now! ;)


I agree it's not solely the coach but you've worked mighty hard to provide excuses for Craig today. And how would Craig get us to two flags when we had to get by Collingwood twice ha ha.

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Re: Your Opinion - Worst AFL coach ever

Postby Hondo » Mon Oct 25, 2010 4:12 pm

@REB

Yes, ha ha no point having a gun playing list if you can't beat Malthouse in the coaches' box !

I'm not excusing all 6 losses .... only a couple of them

I don't disagree that NC needs to square the W-L ledger before he finishes to be fully credible as an AFL coach

I just feel that too much gets read into the current 3-6 record. I think the footy gods have been a bit against us!
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