NO MORE VICTORIAN TEAMS LEFT

[mal]

With the advent of the Western Bulldogs there are no more
Melbourne based sides left in the 2006 season.

Both ended thier seasons on wet tracks, something they are not
used to as most as other teams, the rooftop causing that !!!

The immediate future of Victorian teams looks bleak as they continue
to play some home games interstate.
With so many teams having Telstra Doom and MCG as home venues, that
negates a clear home ground advantage compared to the interstate entities.

The AFL is delighted to see flags to Brisbane and Sydney in particular, with
some advantages afforded to them[especially Brisbane] but to the detriment
to the Victorian teams.

The expression 'kick a vic' is in mode, and don't we love it.

[sydney-dog]

they were never ever going to be a real threat

[mal]

they were never ever going to be a real threat

If Western Bulldogs had not played in Sydney/Darwin they may have
won 15/16 wins , got the double chance, played in Melbourne tonight
instead of Perth ......
If West coast gave up 2 games in perth and went to Sydney/Darwin
and finished on 14/15 wins .......

Also not only did they give up home games , but they travelled and were
tired playing the week after.

My point being these sides finish 5th- 8th instead of top 4 by losing
on the road, that makes an enourmous difference.

[sydney-dog]

Mal

Lot's of If, Butts and Maybe's in their, If my Aunt had balls she would be my Uncle

Mate, the interstate clubs travel evey second week and the bottom line is given the nature of the comp, victorian sides need to start learning how to win on the road, more consistently

The other fact is, Eagles, Adel and Freo do not have to sell home games interstate because we are not fighting for our dinner like the WB and the Roo's

[Ian]

they were never ever going to be a real threat

If Western Bulldogs had not played in Sydney/Darwin they may have
won 15/16 wins , got the double chance, played in Melbourne tonight
instead of Perth ......
If West coast gave up 2 games in perth and went to Sydney/Darwin
and finished on 14/15 wins .......

Also not only did they give up home games , but they travelled and were
tired playing the week after.

My point being these sides finish 5th- 8th instead of top 4 by losing
on the road, that makes an enourmous difference.

Like all Victorian based teams, they still don't travel as often as Adelaide, Port, W/Coast, Freo, Sydney or Brisbane.
With those couple of games played interstate it closes the gap, but still doesn't back you're theory.

[mal]

SD i know the intersate clubs travel 50% of the time, my point
about the melbourne clubs like Bulldogs is why travel say 5 times
a year when you only need to travel 3 times a year.

The bulldogs only disadvantage themselves travelling to the
Darwin/Sydney venues each year.

A classic example was that Sydney/Bulldogs game in Sydney this year.
If you reverse that game and played in at T/dOOM and Sydney lost
instead of winning then Sydney MAY have missed the double chance this year.

We both know they play there for the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Whatever way we may both scrutinise it, the Melb based clubs disadvantage
themselves playing home games away.

[Wedgie]

I was actually disturbed when I first saw your post Mal but when I read it further and your subsequent posts I see you're actually spot on with a few points I've made over the years.
Im sick and tired of this anti-Victorian shit.
My parents are just as bad as KG in that they say "but teams like Collingwood get 17 games at home a year".
I argue that 14 of those games are against other Victorian teams so in essence they get about 3 true home game advantages a year.

I also love the Crapertiser's AFL premiership table everyweek.
According to the Crapertisers's AFL table a Geelong game versus Essendon in Melbourne is counted as a home game for Geelong.
WTF?????

I heard a true blue South Aussie ring up Dumb and Dumber on 5AA this week trying to point out that this anti-Victorian crap is embarassing for true followers of football in this state and he got cut off and accused of being a Victorian despite living his entire life in South Australia.

I'm sick and tired of this anti-Victorian crap, as I try to tell my parents and others, if Collingwood fans had the choice of beating Carlton or Porth, they'd choose Carlton any day of the week.

If a Darwin side joined the SANFL, would side would you most enjoy winning against, Port or Darwin??

Well done mal and others that can see things are they truly are. I hate chip on shoulder attitudes no matter who has them or where they are.

I honestly can't believe the way people in this state fall for Dumb and Dubmers and the Crapertiser's rubbish, there's no coincidence that most of them don't follow SANFL with a passion as they wouldn't a true footy game if it hit them in the face.

[sydney-dog]

Mal

it's a result of the state of footy in Victoria, 9 clubs all fighting for the corporate dollar, memberships, supporter base and a share of the market, this can not be sustained, teams such as the WB and Kanga's will continue to struggle to compete with the likes of Collingwood, Essendon and Richmond in the Victorian Market, so they sell home games for $$$, but this impacts on memberships and supporter base....

in saying that I personally do not believe it impacts too much on your year, if your good enough you wil win in NZ if you have too, lets look at the Bombers, they played 18 of 22 games at either TD or the MCG and finished bootom 4, while Adel won this year in Melb, Perth, Brisbane, Sydney and on the Gold Coast....

a pet hate for me is excuses for not winning away, look at the best sporting teams in the world, they win at all venues in all countries under so many variable conditions, but in aussie rules footy we have side who can not even travel on a 1 hour flight and preform interstate

if you want to be a top club, you have to win away from home

[Dutchy]

I was actually disturbed when I first saw your post Mal but when I read it further and your subsequent posts I see you're actually spot on with a few points I've made over the years.
Im sick and tired of this anti-Victorian shit.
My parents are just as bad as KG in that they say "but teams like Collingwood get 17 games at home a year".
I argue that 14 of those games are against other Victorian teams so in essence they get about 3 true home game advantages a year.

I also love the Crapertiser's AFL premiership table everyweek.
According to the Crapertisers's AFL table a Geelong game versus Essendon in Melbourne is counted as a home game for Geelong.
WTF?????

I heard a true blue South Aussie ring up Dumb and Dumber on 5AA this week trying to point out that this anti-Victorian crap is embarassing for true followers of football in this state and he got cut off and accused of being a Victorian despite living his entire life in South Australia.

I'm sick and tired of this anti-Victorian crap, as I try to tell my parents and others, if Collingwood fans had the choice of beating Carlton or Porth, they'd choose Carlton any day of the week.

If a Darwin side joined the SANFL, would side would you most enjoy winning against, Port or Darwin??

Well done mal and others that can see things are they truly are. I hate chip on shoulder attitudes no matter who has them or where they are.

I honestly can't believe the way people in this state fall for Dumb and Dubmers and the Crapertiser's rubbish, there's no coincidence that most of them don't follow SANFL with a passion as they wouldn't a true footy game if it hit them in the face.

Brilliant Wedgie, exactly my thoughts.......the victorian rivaliry for me is only for State of Origin games (if/when they come back) as some thing Corws/Port fans cant get their heads around the AFL being a CLUB competition not a state comp.

Its embarassing the way south aussies go on about the anti victorian sentiment.....thats so 1980's, a lot of us need to grow up

[sydney-dog]

Wedgie

My point is, that given the nature of the comp it is highly likely to win a flag you may have to win finals away from your home state and until the Victorian sides start to achieve this on a regular basis then they will struggle.

My other point is, it is obvious that the Melbourne market is struggling with 9 Melb based teams, so these clubs can not have their cake and it eat it at the same time, if they want to promote their brand in other markets such as Darwin, Canberra or the Gold Coast they need to give something up to achieve that market share

In regards to Dumb and Dumber and the craptiser, I totally agree with your comments, but don't think this is any different in Syd, Brisbane, Perth or Melb, I have lived in each state for considerable amount of time and each state has it's insulated views on football, Mike Sheehan is a very good example of this, this bloke as a chief football jurno has travelled only once in 2 seasons out of victoria to watch football live and some of the crap he writes is as bad as Rucci

[Port78]

Meh, I would've preferred to see the WA teams knocked out...now I'm gonna have to put up with people all this week talking about a possible Western Derby GF.

[sydney-dog]

Port78

given that both WA sides need to travel and win away their is plenty of work to be done by both WA sides before any talk of an all WA GF

[Dutchy]

if the Vic teams played 5-6 games each year at say AAMI they would be more competitive...Yes the interstate teams travel more than the Vic sides but they play at TD or MCG most of the time and these grounds dont have the home ground advantages that AAMI or Subi have so I reckon it evens out...

[Port78]

Port78

given that both WA sides need to travel and win away their is plenty of work to be done by both WA sides before any talk of an all WA GF

Hey, I know that, but tell that to the bloody West Aussies....

[Mr66]

With the advent of the Western Bulldogs there are no more
Melbourne based sides left in the 2006 season.

Both ended thier seasons on wet tracks, something they are not
used to as most as other teams, the rooftop causing that !!!

The immediate future of Victorian teams looks bleak as they continue
to play some home games interstate.
With so many teams having Telstra Doom and MCG as home venues, that
negates a clear home ground advantage compared to the interstate entities.

The AFL is delighted to see flags to Brisbane and Sydney in particular, with
some advantages afforded to them[especially Brisbane] but to the detriment
to the Victorian teams.

The expression 'kick a vic' is in mode, and don't we love it.

I concur with Wedgie's main post and will add this:
"Oh grow up!!"

[bayman]

i just think its ironic that the victorians (most) 'knew' all about football whether it be on the ground or in administration & as they went or were going broke, that is the only reason we have an expanded vfl is that they needed money to prop up their competition, so i'd say that looking at the results since 1987 or whenever it started that the non victorian clubs have shown a lot more in professalism ( i know west coast,brisbane & sydney/sth melb) were all ordinary early on both on & off the field but in the almost 20 years all non victorians have won at least 1 premiership apart from freo who have made it to a prelim this week & they've been the laughing stock until this year i think the laughing stock should be w'bulldogs,st kilda,geelong,c'wood, while carlton, hawthorn (recently), some of these have improved the off field stuff but with most of them they've haven't won anything for years maybe 'we' knew how to run footy clubs better than those who thought they were the best at it

some of my victorian friends call football outside of melbourne plastic footy but i think with the evidence of who wins, who administers better i'd say hands down plastic footy stops & starts in melbourne, yes some clubs have improved their facilites etc so in time the tide will turn but i can see them stuffing it up when they get their chance, but some of what wedgie & mal says is true as well

[PhilG]

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[sydney-dog]

PhilG

My observations are the Eagles, Crows, Swans and Freo look 15% fitter then the most victorian sides, if you have a look at the coaches in Victoria such as Sheed's, Pagan, Malthouse, Thomas, without being too harsh, these coaches are not working their sides hard enough in pre-season and they have fallen behind in regards too how to prepare a side to play today's footy, we are not playing 90's footy anymore, gone are the big weight programs, it is all about speed and endurance

Some Victorian clubs are 5 years behind in regards to preperation

[PhilG]

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[sydney-dog]

Phil G

I am hearing you, Melbourne can not support 9 competitve clubs