Ryan O'Keefe

[Pag]

Where would O'Keefe fit into Geelong's side? With Chapman, Stokes and Johnson

Are you seriously suggesting that Stokes would keep O'Keefe out of the team?

O'Keefe is a far better player than Stokes, and on Par with Chapman and Johnson.

Of course O'Keefe is a better player than Stokes, I'm saying that I don't know if Geelong would be looking to get players of that sort to the club, they should be focusing on getting a full-forward not another small-medium forward. They have enough of those as it is.

[Adelaide Hawk]

A number of clubs just ruled a line through his name. His asking price ... $600,000 per year. We've got better players at Hawthorn not earning anywhere near that amount.

O'Keefe's good, but that's too much to pay. Won't bother Carlton though wit htheir bottomless salary cap. Did anyone hear Greg Swan say yesterday that Carlton have PLENTY of room in their salary cap. I think the footy public would really like to know how.

[JK]

That asking price probrbaly just covers bases to get him to the team of his choice ... Means he could probably do it via the PSD if he had to, putting further onus on Sydney to work a trade.

[Dutchy]

very good player. Think he'll prob go to Carlton, Pies or Rich. Only wants to play with a side that may have a chance playing finals. If Carlton get him and Kerr, gee they must be doing something right with their salary cap!

and these teams are going to play finals next year? very optimistic.....

Agreed Dutchy- I reckon someone like the Roos may push for him- to replace Shannon Grant possibly?

Yeah Roos have some trade bait in Jones and Harris also

[Hondo]

O'Keefe's good, but that's too much to pay. Won't bother Carlton though wit htheir bottomless salary cap. Did anyone hear Greg Swan say yesterday that Carlton have PLENTY of room in their salary cap. I think the footy public would really like to know how.

Judd + Fevola + Stevens + host of juniors = room in salary cap surely?

They are hardly the team of superstars we saw in the 80s and 90s

Isn't the cap close to $8m per year? How would Carlton be overspending that, even if Judd is close to $1m per year? How do you think Hawthorn fit Buddy, Hodge, Roughead, Mitchell, Brown, Croad, etc .... not that I am questioning Hawthorn at all but surely they have as many stars as Carlton? Ditto any club ....

[Dirko]

O'Keefe's good, but that's too much to pay. Won't bother Carlton though wit htheir bottomless salary cap. Did anyone hear Greg Swan say yesterday that Carlton have PLENTY of room in their salary cap. I think the footy public would really like to know how.

Judd + Fevola + Stevens + host of juniors = room in salary cap surely?

They are hardly the team of superstars we saw in the 80s and 90s

Isn't the cap close to $8m per year? How would Carlton be overspending that, even if Judd is close to $1m per year? How do you think Hawthorn fit Buddy, Hodge, Roughead, Mitchell, Brown, Croad, etc .... not that I am questioning Hawthorn at all but surely they have as many stars as Carlton? Ditto any club ....

Hooray ! Someone sees the light. OK apparently Carlton had a spare 600 000 in this years cap. Now what we don't know, and I'd assume this is how Carlton would have done it is...They would've FRONT loaded Chris Judd's contract. i.e 6 mill over 6 years, but say pay him 2.5 this year, 2.5 next year, then only have to worry about 1 m over the last 4 years. Fev's contract would be front loaded for the first year, then the last year he's on the veterans list. Stevo is getting older and his prime contract would be over so his salary would be getting lower.

So with all the good kids locked in for another 2/3 years obviously someone at Carlton has done the sums, and have worked out what we can/cannot afford.

Makes me laugh that every one has concerns over Carltons salary cap, yet are too scared to look into their own backyard....

[Dutchy]

I dont have any concerns about Carlton's cap at the moment as they have a lot of kids who would be getting SFA, the issue they are going to have is they have noone who will qualify for the veterans list as they have recruited from outside the club and then eventually some of the kids are going to come through and put there hands out for more, thats when it will get very tight and they may regret the big $ they are putting into a few players esp if they are back ending contracts....they had this problem with Kouta which obviously didnt help them long term

[Adelaide Hawk]

O'Keefe's good, but that's too much to pay. Won't bother Carlton though wit htheir bottomless salary cap. Did anyone hear Greg Swan say yesterday that Carlton have PLENTY of room in their salary cap. I think the footy public would really like to know how.

Judd + Fevola + Stevens + host of juniors = room in salary cap surely?

They are hardly the team of superstars we saw in the 80s and 90s

Isn't the cap close to $8m per year? How would Carlton be overspending that, even if Judd is close to $1m per year? How do you think Hawthorn fit Buddy, Hodge, Roughead, Mitchell, Brown, Croad, etc .... not that I am questioning Hawthorn at all but surely they have as many stars as Carlton? Ditto any club ....

May be a problem in future, but at the moment the Hawks aren't spending a lot on individual players like Carlton are. Buddy and Roughead in particular would earn a lot more once they renegotiate their contracts. Hodge also will increase when he renegotiates his contract. As for the others, whilst good players, do not command top money. Unlike Carlton, the Hawks haven't entered into deals such as Judd and Fevola of late.

Unless it has increased dramatically, the cap is closer to $6m than $8m. Some of those Carlton boys must play for peanuts. Mind you, most of them aren't worth a lot more.

BTW ... it's not Hawthorn claiming they have heaps of room, just Carlton.

[Hondo]

Unless it has increased dramatically, the cap is closer to $6m than $8m. Some of those Carlton boys must play for peanuts. Mind you, most of them aren't worth a lot more.

BTW ... it's not Hawthorn claiming they have heaps of room, just Carlton.

The cap did increase dramatically when the new TV deal went through. This is the best I could find on what the salary cap currently is. In 2007 it was $6.943m. By 2011 it will be $8.225m. So in 2009 it must be in the $7m range.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200608/s1704050.htm

I only raised Hawthorn to make a point AH, I am not throwing any stones at them. My point being that just because 2 players are on big money doesn't mean that the $7m+ salary cap is maxed out. Unless you have some hard evidence, I think you are just speculating out loud that Carlton are telling us lies?

[Pag]

I wouldn't think Carlton would be having too much trouble. Gibbs, for example, was in the 2nd year of his initial contract this year. That can't be worth much. Same goes for a lot of the younger guys. Like Dutchy said, the problem will be in a couple of years when Gibbs, Murhpy, Kreuzer etc start to become elite players. That's when Carlton will have to make sure they're concentrating on the numbers. If they're up toward the pointy end of the ladder, that core group might do the old 'take a pay cut so the group stays together', but if not, the cap will be tightly squeezed in 2011-12.

[Rik E Boy]

LOL@Chris Judd taking a pay cut to 'keep the group together' in the future. Can't see it happening to be honest.

regards,

REB

[rod_rooster]

LOL@Chris Judd taking a pay cut to 'keep the group together' in the future. Can't see it happening to be honest.

regards,

REB

Lmao That is pretty funny.

[Adelaide Hawk]

O'Keefe's good, but that's too much to pay. Won't bother Carlton though wit htheir bottomless salary cap. Did anyone hear Greg Swan say yesterday that Carlton have PLENTY of room in their salary cap. I think the footy public would really like to know how.

Judd + Fevola + Stevens + host of juniors = room in salary cap surely?

They are hardly the team of superstars we saw in the 80s and 90s

Isn't the cap close to $8m per year? How would Carlton be overspending that, even if Judd is close to $1m per year? How do you think Hawthorn fit Buddy, Hodge, Roughead, Mitchell, Brown, Croad, etc .... not that I am questioning Hawthorn at all but surely they have as many stars as Carlton? Ditto any club ....

May be a problem in future, but at the moment the Hawks aren't spending a lot on individual players like Carlton are. Buddy and Roughead in particular would earn a lot more once they renegotiate their contracts. Hodge also will increase when he renegotiates his contract. As for the others, whilst good players, do not command top money. Unlike Carlton, the Hawks haven't entered into deals such as Judd and Fevola of late.

Unless it has increased dramatically, the cap is closer to $6m than $8m. Some of those Carlton boys must play for peanuts. Mind you, most of them aren't worth a lot more.

BTW ... it's not Hawthorn claiming they have heaps of room, just Carlton.

And O'Keefe to the Hawks despite them not having heaps of room? I'm not that concerned with Carlton's cap at the moment but in the future they might have problems as was mentioned above.

regards,

REB

Hawthorn are talking about trading existing contracted players for O'Keefe. You know how it works .... make room in the cap for new players? It's not rocket science you know.

[Rik E Boy]

O'Keefe's good, but that's too much to pay. Won't bother Carlton though wit htheir bottomless salary cap. Did anyone hear Greg Swan say yesterday that Carlton have PLENTY of room in their salary cap. I think the footy public would really like to know how.

Judd + Fevola + Stevens + host of juniors = room in salary cap surely?

They are hardly the team of superstars we saw in the 80s and 90s

Isn't the cap close to $8m per year? How would Carlton be overspending that, even if Judd is close to $1m per year? How do you think Hawthorn fit Buddy, Hodge, Roughead, Mitchell, Brown, Croad, etc .... not that I am questioning Hawthorn at all but surely they have as many stars as Carlton? Ditto any club ....

May be a problem in future, but at the moment the Hawks aren't spending a lot on individual players like Carlton are. Buddy and Roughead in particular would earn a lot more once they renegotiate their contracts. Hodge also will increase when he renegotiates his contract. As for the others, whilst good players, do not command top money. Unlike Carlton, the Hawks haven't entered into deals such as Judd and Fevola of late.

Unless it has increased dramatically, the cap is closer to $6m than $8m. Some of those Carlton boys must play for peanuts. Mind you, most of them aren't worth a lot more.

BTW ... it's not Hawthorn claiming they have heaps of room, just Carlton.

And O'Keefe to the Hawks despite them not having heaps of room? I'm not that concerned with Carlton's cap at the moment but in the future they might have problems as was mentioned above.

regards,

REB

[tedbullpit]

O'Keefe to stay with the Swans. Has agreed in principle to a 4 year deal.

http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/ ... wsId=69091

[Adelaide Hawk]

And O'Keefe to the Hawks despite them not having heaps of room? I'm not that concerned with Carlton's cap at the moment but in the future they might have problems as was mentioned above.

regards,

REB

NEWSFLASH!!!! O'Keefe didn't go to Hawthorn, or haven't you heard?

Try and get over the Grand Final already

Just ask yourself this ... why were Carlton so sure they could fit O'Keefe into their cap and then suddenly lose interest in him when they suddenly appeared favourite to secure his services? I know why, see if you can work it out.

[Dirko]

Just ask yourself this ... why were Carlton so sure they could fit O'Keefe into their cap and then suddenly lose interest in him when they suddenly appeared favourite to secure his services? I know why, see if you can work it out.

You know why ? Ok then why ? You seem to know how it works so explain......

[silent11]

O'Keefe to stay with the Swans. Has agreed in principle to a 4 year deal.

http://www.afl.com.au/News/NEWSARTICLE/ ... wsId=69091

be interesting to see if he hangs around for the whole 4