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Re: Mick Nunan ruining the SA teams?

Postby CUTTERMAN » Sun Dec 30, 2007 10:30 am

Anyone recovering from knee injuries will be told that the best way to exercise and build up strength and agility again is through low impact or no impact which is cycling or swimming. The result of alot of cycling has on an elite footy player over time isn't really known, a couple of years ago you would've thought that it worked really well, now they're probably reviewing a few things.
To say that Nunan is ruining SA teams is ridiculous, he hasn't even had the Reds for a year, if you're going to blame him then you have to equally blame the previous fitness coach, who from the previous training programme has had just as much effect on the players as the new one. Has anyone done a break down of injuries that could possibly be caused by a cycling programme and those that are just an injury or do facts get in the way of berating someone for the sake of it?
To use the example of what he's done with horses is stupid as all he was doing was using heart rate monitors whilst training them to get a better picture of each horse and it's effort. I work just outside the racing industry and know stuff all about training horses, (maybe someone who does know can comment, Macca?) but I would think that it takes a long time to know how to train and prepare a race horse, most trainers have worked with them all their lives, to come into to it green and expect results is optimistic. To come into it to try a different method, to follow an idea is worth doing. Again, look at the average SA horse trainer and compare their no. of horses against no. of wins, compare that to Nunans record and if he's distinctly different then okay, but has anyone done that?
To also bring Craigy into the scheme of things is a bit abstract, I seem to remember that it was the heart rate monitors and a fitness programme designed by Craigy that helped Adelaide win 2 flags, not sure if they were on the bikes back then or how much. Most of Adelaide's injuries in the last 2 years haven't been soft tissue or ligament strain.
Wasn't it a training programme developed with Charlie Walsh that kept Australia dominant in cycling?
What do you want, training methods to remain the same or people to push the boundries and try new things. I haven't read many facts being posted here, just teeing off. The pity is that it's a good topic to discuss and if some stats and facts were included it could be interesting. :shock:
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Re: Mick Nunan ruining the SA teams?

Postby Squawk » Sun Jan 06, 2008 11:49 pm

IIRC too much cycling can affect the hamstrings of players who principally compete in running-oriented sports.
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Re: Mick Nunan ruining the SA teams?

Postby Dutchy » Mon Jan 07, 2008 9:09 am

Proof is in the pudding Lads....and the pudding is full of soft tissue injuries.... :roll:

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Re: Mick Nunan ruining the SA teams?

Postby Dutchy » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:29 am

Hmmmmm more injuries in the past week to United and 36ers :roll:
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Re: Mick Nunan ruining the SA teams?

Postby Dogwatcher » Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:40 am

Many comments made in the media about this issue this week.

Fox commentators were questioning the number of soft tissue injuries in last night's commentary too.
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Re: Mick Nunan ruining the SA teams?

Postby Dutchy » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:25 am

Dogwatcher wrote:Many comments made in the media about this issue this week.

Fox commentators were questioning the number of soft tissue injuries in last night's commentary too.


correct! glad I wasnt the only one who heard that!

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Re: Mick Nunan ruining the SA teams?

Postby Hondo » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:29 am

I think I could cope better with the continual bumping of this thread if the title was changed .... mods? Can we at least be specific on 'soccer' rather than 'the SA teams'?

Or at least some facts posted about specifics of who does what on the fitness side of things (if Nunan is going to cop all the blame). I don't follow the soccer closely and so I am relying on this thread for facts. Lets get some.

I found this info on the AUFC Fans Forum:

The following staff are listed as being Medical staff at AUFC

Club Doctor - James Ilic
Head Trainer - Peter Duke
Club Physiotherapist - Glenn Dods
Strength & Conditioning Manager - Peter Janicki
Chiropractor - Margie Barry
Dietician - Anthony Mead
Sports Psychologist - Matti Clements
Rehabilitation Coordinator - Tim Kreis
Masseur - Paul Scott

Nunan has a minor role as a "Consultant"


Onviously there's also the head coach and his assistants. So I am not sure why, if there's someone to blame, Nunan is being singled out don't any of these other people have any capacity to think for themselves and make decisions consistent with their high positions in the club v the 'consultant'??? :?
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Re: Mick Nunan ruining the SA teams?

Postby Dutchy » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:45 am

Thought this was fairly topical in the AFL room due to the Crows injury woes since Craig has taken over....its not just soccer, the 36ers have also taken on Nunan's theories and their injury run with soft tissue has been the same...

as for AUFC, Ill play my hand here - I have spoken directly to someone on the medical staff there a number of times during the season - the medical staff do what is instructed by the Head Coach and he has taken on Nunan as the consultant who has made recommendations to the Head Coach and he has insisted on this being followed...

Trust me the medical staff would like to be making their own decisions regarding the players....they aint happy
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Re: Mick Nunan ruining the SA teams?

Postby Punk Rooster » Mon Jan 21, 2008 12:51 pm

If the Head Coach directs the Medical Team, then the Head Coach should cop the criticism, irrelevant of where he gains his information or ideas from.

Attempting to blame Nunan for the Head Coach's managment of the Medical Team is poor.
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Re: Mick Nunan ruining the SA teams?

Postby Hondo » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:19 pm

At the Crows as far as I am aware we are looking the best the have for a while on the injury front at the moment. As far as I can recall, its only Nick Gill sidelined and he has a history of it.

Dutchy I respect your source but unless we can see the full injury list and do some analysis on it then I think this thread is defammatary and is hanging a guy without much of a trial other than someone at AU speaking out of school? It would also be helpful in this 'trial' to get into the detail of who does what on the training and medical front. The link to the 36ers and the Crows seems so loose that I still think the thread title is unfair. It sounds like an AU issue and should be in the Soccer forum IMO, if nothing else. Thread title of "Injury Problems at AU .... Why?".

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Re: Mick Nunan ruining the SA teams?

Postby Wedgie » Mon Jan 21, 2008 1:59 pm

Perhaps to bring up a balanced view we should be discussing his record as the State coach, his efforts at North, and hey, he helped ruined Fitzroy and they weren't an SA team! :lol:

Hey, lets blame him for everything wrong with Adeliade United and the 36ers, surely the fact that they're crap has nothing to do with it! :roll: :lol:

Perhaps be even more abstract and blame Jack Oatey, the colour red and the name Adelaide! :lol:
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Re: Mick Nunan ruining the SA teams?

Postby locky801 » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:37 pm

Wedgie wrote:Perhaps to bring up a balanced view we should be discussing his record as the State coach, his efforts at North, and hey, he helped ruined Fitzroy and they weren't an SA team! :lol:

Hey, lets blame him for everything wrong with Adeliade United and the 36ers, surely the fact that they're crap has nothing to do with it! :roll: :lol:

Perhaps be even more abstract and blame Jack Oatey, the colour red and the name Adelaide! :lol:


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Re: Mick Nunan ruining the SA teams?

Postby Leaping Lindner » Mon Jan 21, 2008 4:02 pm

Adelaide United's problem is obvious! They are playing a crap game! :twisted:
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Re: Mick Nunan ruining the SA teams?

Postby Psyber » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:04 pm

locky801 wrote:
Wedgie wrote:Perhaps to bring up a balanced view we should be discussing his record as the State coach, his efforts at North, and hey, he helped ruined Fitzroy and they weren't an SA team! :lol:

Hey, lets blame him for everything wrong with Adeliade United and the 36ers, surely the fact that they're crap has nothing to do with it! :roll: :lol:

Perhaps be even more abstract and blame Jack Oatey, the colour red and the name Adelaide! :lol:


Don't forget Wedgie it Nunan's fault that we lost the G/P as well

Yep putting them on bicycles was a silly idea! :wink:
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Re: Mick Nunan ruining the SA teams?

Postby Psyber » Mon Jan 21, 2008 11:06 pm

Leaping Lindner wrote:Adelaide United's problem is obvious! They are playing a crap game! :twisted:

You get soft tissue injuries easily praticing falling over and yelling "Foul" at the same time.
Doing two things at once is dangerous when you have had repeated bangs on the head. :twisted:
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Re: Mick Nunan ruining the SA teams?

Postby CUTTERMAN » Tue Jan 22, 2008 10:42 pm

hondo71 wrote:I think I could cope better with the continual bumping of this thread if the title was changed .... mods? Can we at least be specific on 'soccer' rather than 'the SA teams'?

Or at least some facts posted about specifics of who does what on the fitness side of things (if Nunan is going to cop all the blame). I don't follow the soccer closely and so I am relying on this thread for facts. Lets get some.

I found this info on the AUFC Fans Forum:

The following staff are listed as being Medical staff at AUFC

Club Doctor - James Ilic
Head Trainer - Peter Duke
Club Physiotherapist - Glenn Dods
Strength & Conditioning Manager - Peter Janicki
Chiropractor - Margie Barry
Dietician - Anthony Mead
Sports Psychologist - Matti Clements
Rehabilitation Coordinator - Tim Kreis
Masseur - Paul Scott

Nunan has a minor role as a "Consultant"


Onviously there's also the head coach and his assistants. So I am not sure why, if there's someone to blame, Nunan is being singled out don't any of these other people have any capacity to think for themselves and make decisions consistent with their high positions in the club v the 'consultant'??? :?

Well said hondo, finally some sanity. I'm not necessarily a Nunan fan but definately a fan of a reasonable debate and not one of petty minded slander.
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