Big Big call by Choco....

[Psyber]

I read an anthropological article some years ago that suggested that people who come from a hunter gatherer culture tend to have more fast twitch muscle fibres in their legs and less mass in the body, so they tend to be faster runners, especially in the first few metres. The lifestyle tends to select for this genotype, but it is gradually lost once it is no longer an advantage with an urbanised lifestyle. I think this does show watching our aboriginal players.

In the past there has been resistance to selecting them based on alleged unreliability, "going walkabout", alleged laziness, and drinking problems. There is some truth in this too, partly for cultural reasons, and partly because of another genotype - while 70% of those of European origin are "fast acetylators" and metabolise alcohol well some racial groups run to a higher percentage of slow acetylation and alcohol has greater impact. So, the old ban on supplying alcohol to aborigines was not entirely unjust discrimination, but to some extent realistically protective, as some aboriginal communities are now beginning to realise for themselves. [The American Indians had the same problem with "Firewater".]

Other genetic differences make our aborigines vulnerable to Diabetes on a western diet, and that increases the vulnerability to infections. There is a species of Saharan rat that can live in the desert on meager food supplies, but when they are put in a laboratory, on the diet normally used for rats, they all become obese and develop diabetes. This gene is another that confers an advantage in a hunter gatherer culture.

[Leaping Lindner]

On tonights news they had an article about the 5 Aboriginal players from the Power and how good they are etc etc...anyway they talk to Choco about them and he says

"There is no doubt that some teams in the past have had a set policy not to draft any Aboriginal players"

How can he get away with saying that? How does he know its been their policy? I would think other clubs would resent this comment...could he get in trouble for it? or is it just his dumb, pathetic public speaking skills blurting something out before the head computed it?

Can anyone remember an Aboriginal player at Collingwood before 1990? I think Leon Davis was the first Aboriginal Magpie to reach 100 games, possibly even 50 games.

According to the aforementhioned book Collingwood had a total of 2 aboriginal players in their history prior to 1998. Robert Ahmat (95-97; 25 games) and Wally Lovett (1982; 15 games - transferred to Richmond in 1983).

[leftlegger]

some teams in the PAST have had a set policy.

...a fair call, he'd probably know more about it than you dutchy.



I remember Footscray had Les Bamblet playing for them in the 80s. He was fantastic goalsneak with a cult following.

[magpie in the 80's]

found this list of all aborigine players on team lists for 2007

VFL/AFL Records
From 1897* to the present day...

The Class of '71
THE following list is the names of the 71 Indigenous footballers in the AFL for season 2007. Table guide as follows:

(1) Number and rankings
(2) Total career games played at end of 2006 season
(3) Games played during 2007 season
(4) Total career games played (updated after each round)
(5) Name
(6) Guernsey number
(7) Club





** Updated after Round 5 **

01. (260) 05 265 Andrew McLEOD #23 Adelaide
02. (252) 05 257 Chris JOHNSON #2 Brisbane Lions
03. (247) 05 252 Michael O'LOUGHLIN #19 Sydney Swans
04. (221) 00 221 Jeff FARMER #33 Fremantle

05. (195) 02 197 Byron PICKETT #33 Melbourne
06. (186) 05 191 Adam GOODES #37 Sydney Swans
07. (184) 04 188 Peter BURGOYNE #7 Port Adelaide
08. (184) 02 186 Troy COOK #10 Fremantle
09. (171) 05 176 David WIRRPANDA #44 West Coast
10. (129) 05 134 Des HEADLAND #11 Fremantle
11. (123) 04 127 Matthew WHELAN #45 Melbourne
12. (115) 05 120 Leon DAVIS #1 Collingwood
13. (108) 05 113 Antoni GROVER #14 Fremantle
14. (109) 02 111 Graham JOHNCOCK #18 Adelaide
15. (104) 05 109 Shaun BURGOYNE #8 Port Adelaide

16. (093) 04 097 Andrew KRAKOUER #27 Richmond

17. (084) 05 089 Daniel WELLS #8 Kangaroos
18. (083) 05 088 Ashley McGRATH #9 Brisbane Lions
19. (079) 05 084 Xavier CLARKE #3 St Kilda

20. (075) 03 078 Chance BATEMAN #10 Hawthorn
21. (078) 00 078 Ashley SAMPI #28 West Coast
22. (072) 04 076 Mark WILLIAMS #6 Hawthorn

23. (064) 05 069 Aaron DAVEY #36 Melbourne
24. (060) 00 060 Richard COLE #28 Essendon
25. (058) 05 063 Roger HAYDEN #43 Fremantle
26. (055) 05 060 Andrew WALKER #1 Carlton

27. (058) 01 059 Daniel MOTLOP #4 Port Adelaide
28. (056) 01 057 Nathan LOVETT-MURRAY #42 Essendon

29. (040) 05 045 Eddie BETTS #19 Carlton

30. (034) 05 039 Lance FRANKLIN #23 Hawthorn
31. (036) 01 037 Michael JOHNSON #37 Fremantle
32. (033) 05 038 Andrew LOVETT #13 Essendon
33. (033) 05 038 Richard TAMBLING #30 Richmond
34. (031) 00 031 Anthony CORRIE #18 Brisbane Lions
35. (029) 02 031 Danyle PEARCE #16 Port Adelaide

36. (027) 01 028 Eddie SANSBURY #32 Kangaroos
37. (024) 00 024 Chris EGAN #15 Collingwood
38. (022) 00 022 Raphael CLARKE #16 St Kilda

39. (015) 03 018 Jason ROE #29 Brisbane Lions
40. (017) 00 017 Cameron FAULKNER #18 Western Bulldogs
41. (009) 05 014 Patrick RYDER #30 Essendon
42. (011) 00 011 Rhan HOOPER #33 Brisbane Lions
43. (009) 02 011 Matthew STOKES #27 Geelong

44. (005) 00 005 Courtenay DEMPSEY #15 Essendon
45. (000) 05 005 Nathan KRAKOUER #29 Port Adelaide
46. (000) 05 005 Alwyn DAVEY #29 Essendon
47. (004) 01 005 Jarrad OAKLEY-NICHOLS #29 Richmond
48. (000) 04 004 Leroy JETTA #7 Essendon
49. (000) 04 004 Lindsay THOMAS #12 Kangaroos
50. (000) 04 004 Matt CAMPBELL #43 Kangaroos (Rookie)
51. (000) 03 003 Travis VARCOE #5 Geelong
52. (000) 03 003 Shannon COX #12 Collingwood
53. (000) 03 003 Brad DICK #33 Collingwood
54. (000) 02 002 Joe ANDERSON #26 Carlton
55. (000) 01 001 Jarrod HARBROW #40 Western Bulldogs (Rookie)

56. (000) 00 000 Liam BEDFORD #42 Geelong (Rookie)
57. (000) 00 000 Clint BENJAMIN #20 Carlton
58. (000) 00 000 Clayton COLLARD #13 Fremantle
59. (000) 00 000 Dean DICK #40 Essendon (Rookie)
60. (000) 00 000 Nathan DJERRKURA #18 Geelong
61. (000) 00 000 Daniel HAYES #42 Melbourne (Rookie)
62. (000) 00 000 Josh HILL #31 Western Bulldogs
63. (000) 00 000 Malcolm LYNCH #39 Western Bulldogs
64. (000) 00 000 Calib MOURISH #39 Fremantle
65. (000) 00 000 Carl PETERSON #28 Richmond
66. (000) 00 000 Albert PROUD #34 Brisbane Lions
67. (000) 00 000 Sam SHELDON #37 Brisbane Lions
68. (000) 00 000 Brennan STACK #33 Western Bulldogs
69. (000) 00 000 Sharrod WELLINGHAM #41 Collingwood (Rookie)
70. (000) 00 000 Isaac WEETRA #28 Melbourne
71. (000) 00 000 Djaran WHYMAN #44 Kangaroos

club breakdown:

fremantle.....8
essendon......8
brisbane.......7
collingwood...5
port..............5
melbourne.....5
kangaroos.....5
carlton..........4
geelong.........4
richmond.......4
west bulldogs..4
hawthorn.......3
west coast......3
adelaide.........2
sydney...........2
st.kilda...........2

[magpie in the 80's]

VFL/AFL All-Time Players

COMPLETE club-by-club list of all those who have played, and are currently playing, VFL/AFL-level football, with career game totals in brackets ( ).

Where a player has played with more than one club, he is listed with each of his clubs with his full career game totals.

Current-day player totals are from the end of the previous season (in this case 2006) and which will be updated at the end of the 2007 season. -- DM, Feb. 18, 2007

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ADELAIDE
Troy BOND (94) Ronnie BURNS (154) Eddie HOCKING (11) Graham JOHNCOCK (109) Andrew McLEOD (260) Ricky O'LOUGHLIN (9) Shane TONGERIE (4).

BRISBANE BEARS/LIONS
Matthew AH MAT (8) Anthony CORRIE (31) Kevin CATON (18) Fabian FRANCIS (109) Des HEADLAND (129) Rhan HOOPER (11) Russell JEFFREY (50) Chris JOHNSON (252) Adam KERINAIUA (3) Gilbert McADAM (111) Ashley McGRATH (83) Michael McLEAN (183) Jason ROE (14) Shannon RUSCA (2) Darryl WHITE (268).

CARLTON
Eddie BETTS (40) Troy BOND (94) Sean CHARLES (47) Syd JACKSON (136) Cory McGRATH (78) Justin MURPHY (185) Rod WADDELL (25) Andrew WALKER (54).

COLLINGWOOD
Robbie AH MAT (67) Richard COLE (60) Leon DAVIS (115) Chris EGAN (22) Wally LOVETT (28).

ESSENDON
Che COCKATOO-COLLINS (160) Richard COLE (60) Courtenay DEMPSEY (5) William DICK (7) Derek KICKETT (152) Dale KICKETT (181) Norm LE BRUN (50) Shawn LEWFATT (3) Michael LONG (190) Andrew LOVETT (33) Norm McDONALD (128) Cory McGRATH (78) Toby McGRATH ( ) Nathan LOVETT-MURRAY (56) Justin MURPHY (185) Dean RIOLI (100) Lachlan ROSS (2) Paddy RYDER (9) Gavin WANGANEEN (300) Russell WILLIAMS (3).

FITZROY
Peter BIRD (15) Kevin CATON (18) Robert CUMMINGS (1) Trent CUMMINGS (29) Shadrach JAMES (18) Chris JOHNSON (252) Joe JOHNSON 55) Dale KICKETT (181) Edward LOVETT (9) Wally MATERA (56) Doug NICHOLLS (54) Kevin TAYLOR (15).

FOOTSCRAY/WESTERN BULLDOGS
Les BAMBLETT (48) Cameron FAULKNER (17) Steven KOOPS (89) Phil KRAKOUER (148) Michael McLEAN (183) Charlie STEWART (20) Alan THORPE (15) Mark WEST (16) Nicky WINMAR (251).

FREMANTLE
Winston ABRAHAM (110) Scott CHISHOLM (81) Troy COOK (184) Gary DHURRKAY (72) Jeff FARMER (221) Antoni GROVER (108) Roger HAYDEN (57) Des HEADLAND (129) Michael JOHNSON (36) Dale KICKETT (181) Steven KOOPS (89) Clem MICHAEL (43) Gavin MITCHELL (88) Dwayne SIMPSON (2) Garth TAYLOR (15) Keren UGLE (4) Clinton WOLF (4) Dion WOODS (59).

GEELONG
Graham FARMER (101) Ronnie BURNS (154) Russell JEFFREY (50) Justin MURPHY (185) Matthew STOKES (9) Rod WADDELL (25).

HAWTHORN
Chance BATEMAN (74) Cyril COLLARD (13) Percy CUMMINGS (5) Lance FRANKLIN (34) Harry MILLER (18) Mark WILLIAMS (72).

MELBOURNE
Les BAMBLETT (48), Sean CHARLES (47) Scott CHISHOLM (81) David COCKATOO-COLLINS (2) Donald COCKATOO-COLLINS (9) Aaron DAVEY (74) Phil EGAN (126) Jeff FARMER (221) Fabian FRANCIS (109) Colin GRAHAM (35) Eddie JACKSON (84) Andy LOVELL (164) Shannon MOTLOP (64) Byron PICKETT (195) George SIMMONDS (4) Matthew WHELAN (123).

NORTH MELBOURNE/KANGAROOS
Winston ABRAHAM (110) Barry CABLE (115) Warren CAMPBELL (19) Gary DHURRKAY (72) Craig HOLDEN (109) Bert JOHNSON (31) Percy JOHNSON (52) Derek KICKETT (152) Andrew L. KRAKOUER (8) Phil KRAKOUER (148) Jim KRAKOUER (147) Adrian McADAM (36) Daniel MOTLOP (59) Shannon MOTLOP (64) Byron PICKETT (195) Eddie SANSBURY (27) Daniel WELLS (83).

PORT ADELAIDE
Peter BURGOYNE (184) Shaun BURGOYNE (104) Che COCKATOO-COLLINS (160) Fabian FRANCIS (109) Allan MURRAY (16) Derek MURRAY (23) Daniel MOTLOP (59) Danyle PEARCE (29) Byron PICKETT (195) Gavin WANGANEEN (300) Elijah WARE (2).

RICHMOND
Ashley BLURTON (24) Phil EGAN (126) Andrew KRAKOUER (93) Wally LOVETT (28) Marty McGRATH (4) Michael MITCHELL (81) Justin MURPHY (185) Jarrad OAKLEY-NICHOLS (4) Derek PEARDON (20) Lionel PROCTOR (20) Maurice RIOLI (118) Richard TAMBLING (33).

SOUTH MELBOURNE/SYDNEY SWANS
Matthew AH MAT (8) Robbie AH MAT (67) Fred CAMPBELL (12) Troy COOK (184) Reuben COOPER (2) Adam GOODES (186) Craig HOLDEN (109) Derek KICKETT (152) Norm LE BRUN (50) Jamie LAWSON (61) Michael O'LOUGHLIN (246) Elkin REILLY (51) Brian STANISLAUS (1) Alan THORPE (15) Kevin TAYLOR (15).

ST. KILDA
Fred CAMPBELL (12) Sean CHARLES (47) Eric CLARKE (6) Raphael CLARKE (22) Xavier CLARKE (79) Russell JEFFREY (50) Bob JONES 20) Dale KICKETT (181) Jim KRAKOUER (147) Allan MURRAY (16) Phil NARKLE (66) Nicky WINMAR (251) Gilbert McADAM (111) Greg McADAM (10) Gavin MITCHELL (88) Robert MUIR (68) Jim WANDIN (17).

WEST COAST EAGLES
Laurie BELLOTTI (24) Ashley BLURTON (24) Shane BOND (91) Shane CABLE (1) Kevin CATON (18) Trent CUMMINGS (29) Dale KICKETT (181) Chris LEWIS (215) Neil MARSHALL (4) Peter MATERA (253) Phil MATERA (179) Wally MATERA (56) Phil NARKLE (66) Ashley SAMPI (78) Troy UGLE (43) David WIRRPANDA (171).

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The following club-by-club list is of players who at one time were listed by an AFL club but who for whatever reason didn't play a senior game for them...

Adelaide: Ben PARKER, Eugene WARRIOR jnr.
Brisbane Bears/Lions: Bradley COPELAND, Jason JONES, Michael ROTUMAH, Roger SMITH, Ricky TILMOUTH.
Carlton: Ezra BRAY.
Collingwood: Jason ROE.
Essendon: Kevin MITCHELL, Richard PECK, Marcus PICKETT, David REGAN, Adrian WILSON.
Footscray/Western Bulldogs: David ROSS, Shannon RUSCA, Damien SKURRIE.
Fremantle: Darren BOLTON, Darren CAPEWELL, Douglas HEADLAND, Nathan MOURISH.
Geelong: Ezra BRAY.
Hawthorn: Robert BOWDEN, Willie RIOLI, Djaran WHYMAN.
Melbourne: Garry BARRY, Joel CAMPBELL.
North Melbourne/Kangaroos: Robert COCKATOO, Rodney COCKATOO, David ROSS, Christian WOODLEY.
Sydney Swans: Phil KRAKOUER, Ricky O'LOUGHLIN, Dwayne SIMPSON, Tony VIGONA.
St Kilda: Ian BARRY, Jason BRIGGS, Sean CHARLES, Jason MIFSUD.
West Coast: Damien BERTO, David REGAN, Andrew TAYLOR.

[GWW]

Gees M80's, you've been doing a bit of research