Crows v Power drafting/recruiting

[GWW]

I continually get frustrated with the crows drafting.

This is just one of the choices - Meesen over Woods.

Meesen was not taken by any Victorian clubs and there must of been a reason for that - so the crows take him cause they cant believe he is still available and at the same time ignore Cameron Woods a local lad.

Meesen has been strugglin with injury and really hasnt set the SANFL on fire either playin against men - Woods is playin @ AFL level and doesnt look out of his depth.

End of grumble from me !!!

Some patience is required with ruckmen as they take longer to develop ... so wait and see on Meesen you never know. Same thing was being said when the Crows first drafted Peter Vardy. After a couple of years of criticism we ended up with a great player.

And don't get stuck in the thinking that the Victorian clubs are any smarter at drafting than the Crows or Power. It's pure speculation as to when Meesen might have gone had the Crows not taken him. He might have ended up pick 9 for all we know. Drafting is not an exact science and hindsight is a wonderful thing. Ben Rutten, Simon Goodwin and Danyl Pearce came off rookie lists.

I'm pretty sure rookie Goodwin wasn't a rookie. I think he was taken in the 95 (dont think rookie draft took place back then) Pre season draft, which i think was the same draft Tyson Edwards was taken in.

[Dissident]

Goodwin was PSD, not rookie list (I don't even think it was around then?)

[Hondo]

Goodwin was PSD, not rookie list (I don't even think it was around then?)

Yes I know Goodwin was pre-season draft, he came in Feb 96 - the point I was trying to make is that drafting young players can be an inexact science evidence of which is players over the years who have been taken outside the main draft when, supposedly, the best 70-80 players get drafted. I was just trying to come up with some house-hold names from Crow and Power lands.

[ORDoubleBlues]

Have always felt that the Power are the masters of late draft and unheralded rookie picks but quite often their early draft choices (even during Alan Stewarts tenure) haven't lived up to expectations.

[NFC]

At the risk of opening up a rivalry based can of worms ... I've always felt that Port have clearly out performed the Crows in the area's of trading and drafting, particularly with the younger players ... Whether it's because their kids have more talent or Port have better induction methods or even a more suitable culture for the kids to develop within, I genuinely believe Ports crop of youngsters has always been better than the Crows equivalent.

Would be interested in other peoples thoughts (I know I'll receive a few STFU's here lol).

Griffin, Knights, Douglas and van Berlo showed a LOT tonight.

Port seem to have better youngsters because they've had no choice but to play them.

[NFC]

adelaide just tend to waste their high draft picks(picks1-10) whenever they get them. i mean look at lawrence angwin and john meesen...

Don't write off Meesen yet.

[the wonder elephant]

have to agree nfc these big boys take longer to develope .just look at jon griffen no sanfl superstar but looks quite at home at afl level just gos to show how different game styles can help different players 'the afl is more an athletes game these days where as sanfl is more crash and bash so i think messen may still measure up when he gets his chance !!also i will add that these guys that come out of the vic u18 system have never played against men only people there own age there 4 taking longer to ajust to the bigger bodies of sanfl !!

[Hondo]

Anyone trying to pin clubs on draft errors using the benefit of hindsight only has to go through previous years drafts and spot all the obvious (in hindsight) anomolies to see that no-one has a crystal ball. In the year 2000 draft for example, Daniel Kerr and Kane Cornes (both all-Australians) went in round 2.

[sydney-dog]

If we look at the 2004 and 2005 draft picks for the crows, given the clubs position in the draft, I feel they have not done too badly

Vince, pick 32, is on the verge of selection, my view, once he gets an opportunity and consistent game time he will go from strength to strength, smart player with excellent skills

Proplyzia, pre-season draft, another player on the verge of selection, makes all the right decisions and has a touch of class

Knights, pick 56, may prove to be the find of the 2004 draft, an absolute ball magnet, 28 touches yesterday and will go from strength to strength

Maric, pick 40, has already showed enough to suggest he wil be very good ruckman at AFL level

Van Berlo, pick 24, has a huge engine, great courage and strong leadership qualitiies, 20 touches yesterday as a defensive midfielder, just gets better with every outing

Douglas, pick 16, I think many have already seen the qualities in this kid, extra kilo or two on his frame will help, but has class written all over him

Meesen, pick 8, jury still out but still has time on his side, needs a good run with injuries

Pfeiffer, pick 17, yet to make his debut, but his early pre-season form suggests he is a player ready to play afl in 2007, once again, if he gets an opportunity, he may develop quickly

[Blue Boy]

Meesen v Wood - As announced today

Wood's key role rewarded

April 10, 2007 BRISBANE ruckman Cameron Wood has been rewarded for a fine start to the 2007 season by earning the round two nomination for the Rising Star award.

Wood, 20, played a key role in the Lions' 52-point victory over St Kilda last Thursday, opposed to experienced Saints ruckman Matthew Clarke.

He has played 10 senior games since debuting for the Lions in round five last year, after Jamie Charman broke down at training.

Woode arned further senior opportunities late last year, when both Charman and Beau McDonald were on Brisbane's injured list.

Brisbane recruited him, with pick 18 in the 2004 national draft, from SANFL club West Adelaide.

[Hondo]

That's great for Cameron Wood .. I heard him on 5AA earlier in the year and he was just hopeful of playing 5-10 games this season. Now he's nominated for the rising star, well done son!

[finn]

In the years 2003-2005 inclusive, on a purely statistical level both clubs can claim to be doing well.
Port have 16 out of their 23 (69.5%) trades, drafts, pre-season etc on their list while adelaide have 12 out of 19 (63.2%) on their list.
Both have two trades on their list - motlop & lonie vs stevens and thomson. I don't know why but this reminds me of downsborough and chalmers
Port have 8 out of the posted trade, draft list in their current 22 (34.8%) while adelaide have 7 in their current lineup (36.8%). There has been some genius on both sides (Pearce & Logan, Griffin and a late Knights) and some pap (Shattock, Forster-Knight and a rookie listed matthew smith)
All of which goes to prove that football discussions can be a tad silly sometimes. Best of looking a few years down the track and comparing players then ie how many have played 100 worthwile games.
cheers

[sydney-dog]

Woods v Meesen

Good luck to Wood's, but I must admit I was a little puzzled at Wood's selection as the round 2 rising star

I watched the entire game and thought Woods game was PAR at best.

For the record Wood's had 5 possessions and 11 hitouts for the game, most of those hitouts came against Rix, who in my opinion struggles as a ruckman

I can't comment on Meesen as he is yet to grace the AFL stage, but at this stage, on what I have seen of Maric and Woods, I would definitely select Maric (when fit) in my side in front of Woods

I am not saying Wood's will not develop in to a Strong AFL player, but I am extremely suprised at his round 2 selection given the quality of his game against the Saints

[Thiele]

Congrats Woody keep up the good work up there

[Gravel]

Perhaps Ports 4 rising star nominations from the 2003-2005 group has them slightly in front at this stage.