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Re: R6 Centrals v Norwood Saturday 3.05 PM

Postby whufc » Thu May 13, 2021 4:24 pm

wild dog wrote:Adjacent country zone cant make up for the issues the major metro catchment is facing. Call the reasons what you want, but without any acknowledgement, comments on the matter such as "excuses" are just petty snipes. You cant compare the massive advantage some metro clubs have to Centrals zone. There is no comparison with junior clubs such as Smosh, Payneham, Unley, Glenunga, PHOS, MItcham, Goodwood, Henley etc.. with not only money, numbers and resources, but the main issue is just the social adhesion they enjoy.

Half of Glenunga footy club (which has over 800 juniors all paying $300 plus subs not to mention weekly takings over the bar) attend the Adelaide elite schools, all with their own footy program. A junior club easily taking a lazy half a mill each year, bursting at the seams with volunteers, ex AFL players etc... Good on them, they are well run and are very inviting places to belong to, I personally love a beer and a chat at the club and have coached etc.. but the challenges that Centrals is facing in its metro zone have to be acknowledged without being called an excuse.


Most will acknowledge that will play a part.....question then are the club aware of this issue and secondly what have they done to try and turn this around? I know from experience with metro Elizabeth club Centrals have generally had a very poor reputation for the resources they have attached to the metro clubs when compared to the Barossa region.
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Re: R6 Centrals v Norwood Saturday 3.05 PM

Postby daysofourlives » Thu May 13, 2021 8:21 pm

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wild dog wrote:Adjacent country zone cant make up for the issues the major metro catchment is facing. Call the reasons what you want, but without any acknowledgement, comments on the matter such as "excuses" are just petty snipes. You cant compare the massive advantage some metro clubs have to Centrals zone. There is no comparison with junior clubs such as Smosh, Payneham, Unley, Glenunga, PHOS, MItcham, Goodwood, Henley etc.. with not only money, numbers and resources, but the main issue is just the social adhesion they enjoy.

Half of Glenunga footy club (which has over 800 juniors all paying $300 plus subs not to mention weekly takings over the bar) attend the Adelaide elite schools, all with their own footy program. A junior club easily taking a lazy half a mill each year, bursting at the seams with volunteers, ex AFL players etc... Good on them, they are well run and are very inviting places to belong to, I personally love a beer and a chat at the club and have coached etc.. but the challenges that Centrals is facing in its metro zone have to be acknowledged without being called an excuse.


Most will acknowledge that will play a part.....question then are the club aware of this issue and secondly what have they done to try and turn this around? I know from experience with metro Elizabeth club Centrals have generally had a very poor reputation for the resources they have attached to the metro clubs when compared to the Barossa region.


What metro clubs do we have? Where did the Salisbury clubs end up after Port folded?
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R6 Centrals v Norwood Saturday 3.05 PM

Postby Jim05 » Thu May 13, 2021 8:29 pm

daysofourlives wrote:
whufc wrote:
wild dog wrote:Adjacent country zone cant make up for the issues the major metro catchment is facing. Call the reasons what you want, but without any acknowledgement, comments on the matter such as "excuses" are just petty snipes. You cant compare the massive advantage some metro clubs have to Centrals zone. There is no comparison with junior clubs such as Smosh, Payneham, Unley, Glenunga, PHOS, MItcham, Goodwood, Henley etc.. with not only money, numbers and resources, but the main issue is just the social adhesion they enjoy.

Half of Glenunga footy club (which has over 800 juniors all paying $300 plus subs not to mention weekly takings over the bar) attend the Adelaide elite schools, all with their own footy program. A junior club easily taking a lazy half a mill each year, bursting at the seams with volunteers, ex AFL players etc... Good on them, they are well run and are very inviting places to belong to, I personally love a beer and a chat at the club and have coached etc.. but the challenges that Centrals is facing in its metro zone have to be acknowledged without being called an excuse.


Most will acknowledge that will play a part.....question then are the club aware of this issue and secondly what have they done to try and turn this around? I know from experience with metro Elizabeth club Centrals have generally had a very poor reputation for the resources they have attached to the metro clubs when compared to the Barossa region.


What metro clubs do we have? Where did the Salisbury clubs end up after Port folded?
Centrals have most of Salisbury.
North has Brahma Lodge and south of that
Eagles have Parafield Gardens and west of that
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Re: R6 Centrals v Norwood Saturday 3.05 PM

Postby whufc » Thu May 13, 2021 9:00 pm

Jim05 wrote:
daysofourlives wrote:
whufc wrote:
wild dog wrote:Adjacent country zone cant make up for the issues the major metro catchment is facing. Call the reasons what you want, but without any acknowledgement, comments on the matter such as "excuses" are just petty snipes. You cant compare the massive advantage some metro clubs have to Centrals zone. There is no comparison with junior clubs such as Smosh, Payneham, Unley, Glenunga, PHOS, MItcham, Goodwood, Henley etc.. with not only money, numbers and resources, but the main issue is just the social adhesion they enjoy.

Half of Glenunga footy club (which has over 800 juniors all paying $300 plus subs not to mention weekly takings over the bar) attend the Adelaide elite schools, all with their own footy program. A junior club easily taking a lazy half a mill each year, bursting at the seams with volunteers, ex AFL players etc... Good on them, they are well run and are very inviting places to belong to, I personally love a beer and a chat at the club and have coached etc.. but the challenges that Centrals is facing in its metro zone have to be acknowledged without being called an excuse.


Most will acknowledge that will play a part.....question then are the club aware of this issue and secondly what have they done to try and turn this around? I know from experience with metro Elizabeth club Centrals have generally had a very poor reputation for the resources they have attached to the metro clubs when compared to the Barossa region.


What metro clubs do we have? Where did the Salisbury clubs end up after Port folded?
Centrals have most of Salisbury.
North has Brahma Lodge and south of that
Eagles have Parafield Gardens and west of that
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Who is Smithfield, Eastern Park, Elizabeth, Angle Vale aligned to these days?
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Re: R6 Centrals v Norwood Saturday 3.05 PM

Postby Jim05 » Thu May 13, 2021 9:12 pm

whufc wrote:
Who is Smithfield, Eastern Park, Elizabeth, Angle Vale aligned to these days?
All Centrals
Eagles zone starts halfway between Angle Vale and Virginia.
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Re: R6 Centrals v Norwood Saturday 3.05 PM

Postby Dutchy » Thu May 13, 2021 9:41 pm

wild dog wrote:Adjacent country zone cant make up for the issues the major metro catchment is facing. Call the reasons what you want, but without any acknowledgement, comments on the matter such as "excuses" are just petty snipes. You cant compare the massive advantage some metro clubs have to Centrals zone. There is no comparison with junior clubs such as Smosh, Payneham, Unley, Glenunga, PHOS, MItcham, Goodwood, Henley etc.. with not only money, numbers and resources, but the main issue is just the social adhesion they enjoy.

Half of Glenunga footy club (which has over 800 juniors all paying $300 plus subs not to mention weekly takings over the bar) attend the Adelaide elite schools, all with their own footy program. A junior club easily taking a lazy half a mill each year, bursting at the seams with volunteers, ex AFL players etc... Good on them, they are well run and are very inviting places to belong to, I personally love a beer and a chat at the club and have coached etc.. but the challenges that Centrals is facing in its metro zone have to be acknowledged without being called an excuse.


So you have all of the Salisbury clubs, Elizabeth, Eastern Park, Golden Grove, plus all of the Gawler and Barossa clubs (which we are regularly told is the strongest comp in the state)

Aren't the zones based evenly upon participation rates? So Centrals have just as many kids in their zone as every other club. Therefore it is as even as you could hope for, the rest comes down to how much effort and energy the club puts into their zone. How many times does the club go to the Barossa and engage with the clubs there?
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Re: R6 Centrals v Norwood Saturday 3.05 PM

Postby beef » Fri May 14, 2021 8:03 am

Dutchy wrote:
wild dog wrote:Adjacent country zone cant make up for the issues the major metro catchment is facing. Call the reasons what you want, but without any acknowledgement, comments on the matter such as "excuses" are just petty snipes. You cant compare the massive advantage some metro clubs have to Centrals zone. There is no comparison with junior clubs such as Smosh, Payneham, Unley, Glenunga, PHOS, MItcham, Goodwood, Henley etc.. with not only money, numbers and resources, but the main issue is just the social adhesion they enjoy.

Half of Glenunga footy club (which has over 800 juniors all paying $300 plus subs not to mention weekly takings over the bar) attend the Adelaide elite schools, all with their own footy program. A junior club easily taking a lazy half a mill each year, bursting at the seams with volunteers, ex AFL players etc... Good on them, they are well run and are very inviting places to belong to, I personally love a beer and a chat at the club and have coached etc.. but the challenges that Centrals is facing in its metro zone have to be acknowledged without being called an excuse.


So you have all of the Salisbury clubs, Elizabeth, Eastern Park, Golden Grove, plus all of the Gawler and Barossa clubs (which we are regularly told is the strongest comp in the state)

Aren't the zones based evenly upon participation rates? So Centrals have just as many kids in their zone as every other club. Therefore it is as even as you could hope for, the rest comes down to how much effort and energy the club puts into their zone. How many times does the club go to the Barossa and engage with the clubs there?

Its got nothing to do with what club you play for, its where you live. Centrals are LAST for kids playing football in their zone and LAST for number of footy clubs within their zone.
This years under 16 group was the first year of the golden grove realignment so more of that zone is starting to come through.
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Re: R6 Centrals v Norwood Saturday 3.05 PM

Postby DOC » Fri May 14, 2021 8:20 am

Dutchy wrote:
wild dog wrote:Adjacent country zone cant make up for the issues the major metro catchment is facing. Call the reasons what you want, but without any acknowledgement, comments on the matter such as "excuses" are just petty snipes. You cant compare the massive advantage some metro clubs have to Centrals zone. There is no comparison with junior clubs such as Smosh, Payneham, Unley, Glenunga, PHOS, MItcham, Goodwood, Henley etc.. with not only money, numbers and resources, but the main issue is just the social adhesion they enjoy.

Half of Glenunga footy club (which has over 800 juniors all paying $300 plus subs not to mention weekly takings over the bar) attend the Adelaide elite schools, all with their own footy program. A junior club easily taking a lazy half a mill each year, bursting at the seams with volunteers, ex AFL players etc... Good on them, they are well run and are very inviting places to belong to, I personally love a beer and a chat at the club and have coached etc.. but the challenges that Centrals is facing in its metro zone have to be acknowledged without being called an excuse.


So you have all of the Salisbury clubs, Elizabeth, Eastern Park, Golden Grove, plus all of the Gawler and Barossa clubs (which we are regularly told is the strongest comp in the state)

Aren't the zones based evenly upon participation rates? So Centrals have just as many kids in their zone as every other club. Therefore it is as even as you could hope for, the rest comes down to how much effort and energy the club puts into their zone. How many times does the club go to the Barossa and engage with the clubs there?


No. They are based on the number of (15?) year olds that reside in the zone.
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Re: R6 Centrals v Norwood Saturday 3.05 PM

Postby am Bays » Fri May 14, 2021 10:14 am

Golden grove FC is in Norwood zone I’m pretty sure.

At the risk of repeating myself ad nauseum from 2013 the number of community clubs in a league clubs zone is neither here more there as community clubs have no zones so kids can live in Centrals zone but play for a Norwood zoned community club.

Kids living in “New Sheidow Park” (South of Patpa Drv) are zoned to South but play for the Glenelg zoned Cove footy club.

Anyway zones will change in the next 18 months post this years census.
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Re: R6 Centrals v Norwood Saturday 3.05 PM

Postby whufc » Fri May 14, 2021 10:36 am

Dutchy wrote:
wild dog wrote:Adjacent country zone cant make up for the issues the major metro catchment is facing. Call the reasons what you want, but without any acknowledgement, comments on the matter such as "excuses" are just petty snipes. You cant compare the massive advantage some metro clubs have to Centrals zone. There is no comparison with junior clubs such as Smosh, Payneham, Unley, Glenunga, PHOS, MItcham, Goodwood, Henley etc.. with not only money, numbers and resources, but the main issue is just the social adhesion they enjoy.

Half of Glenunga footy club (which has over 800 juniors all paying $300 plus subs not to mention weekly takings over the bar) attend the Adelaide elite schools, all with their own footy program. A junior club easily taking a lazy half a mill each year, bursting at the seams with volunteers, ex AFL players etc... Good on them, they are well run and are very inviting places to belong to, I personally love a beer and a chat at the club and have coached etc.. but the challenges that Centrals is facing in its metro zone have to be acknowledged without being called an excuse.


So you have all of the Salisbury clubs, Elizabeth, Eastern Park, Golden Grove, plus all of the Gawler and Barossa clubs (which we are regularly told is the strongest comp in the state)

Aren't the zones based evenly upon participation rates? So Centrals have just as many kids in their zone as every other club. Therefore it is as even as you could hope for, the rest comes down to how much effort and energy the club puts into their zone. How many times does the club go to the Barossa and engage with the clubs there?


^^^^^^^This

In my experience the amount of work the Eagles has put into the Mid North area appears to be a lot more than anything I ever saw Centrals put into the metro area (I cant speak of what they did in the Barossa)

One of the biggest achievements was a collaboration between the Clare High School and Eagles Football Club to include a footy program as part of the curriculum at Clare High beginning this year. The program is ope to both males and females and will no doubt develop some quality footballers/football people.

Interestingly it was an ex Centrals player who has led the development of the program with the WWT in Nick Prokopec. Another player who is also a mentor of the program is ex Dog and AFL footballer Daniel Schell.
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Re: R6 Centrals v Norwood Saturday 3.05 PM

Postby Dutchy » Fri May 14, 2021 10:44 am

beef wrote:Its got nothing to do with what club you play for, its where you live. Centrals are LAST for kids playing football in their zone and LAST for number of footy clubs within their zone.
This years under 16 group was the first year of the golden grove realignment so more of that zone is starting to come through.


Yes I understand that, it was the previous poster who was talking about the strength of clubs.

Id love to see the numbers on how they work out/adjust the zones, I'd find it very hard to believe they would be severely out of whack, club to club, from a participation perspective.

I heard the other day Onkaparinga Council is one of the biggest catchment areas of teenagers in Australia, based on that you would expect South may lose some of their zone when the next adjustments are made.
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Re: R6 Centrals v Norwood Saturday 3.05 PM

Postby gazzamagoo » Fri May 14, 2021 11:10 am

whufc wrote:
Dutchy wrote:
wild dog wrote:Adjacent country zone cant make up for the issues the major metro catchment is facing. Call the reasons what you want, but without any acknowledgement, comments on the matter such as "excuses" are just petty snipes. You cant compare the massive advantage some metro clubs have to Centrals zone. There is no comparison with junior clubs such as Smosh, Payneham, Unley, Glenunga, PHOS, MItcham, Goodwood, Henley etc.. with not only money, numbers and resources, but the main issue is just the social adhesion they enjoy.

Half of Glenunga footy club (which has over 800 juniors all paying $300 plus subs not to mention weekly takings over the bar) attend the Adelaide elite schools, all with their own footy program. A junior club easily taking a lazy half a mill each year, bursting at the seams with volunteers, ex AFL players etc... Good on them, they are well run and are very inviting places to belong to, I personally love a beer and a chat at the club and have coached etc.. but the challenges that Centrals is facing in its metro zone have to be acknowledged without being called an excuse.


So you have all of the Salisbury clubs, Elizabeth, Eastern Park, Golden Grove, plus all of the Gawler and Barossa clubs (which we are regularly told is the strongest comp in the state)

Aren't the zones based evenly upon participation rates? So Centrals have just as many kids in their zone as every other club. Therefore it is as even as you could hope for, the rest comes down to how much effort and energy the club puts into their zone. How many times does the club go to the Barossa and engage with the clubs there?


^^^^^^^This

In my experience the amount of work the Eagles has put into the Mid North area appears to be a lot more than anything I ever saw Centrals put into the metro area (I cant speak of what they did in the Barossa)

One of the biggest achievements was a collaboration between the Clare High School and Eagles Football Club to include a footy program as part of the curriculum at Clare High beginning this year. The program is ope to both males and females and will no doubt develop some quality footballers/football people.

Interestingly it was an ex Centrals player who has led the development of the program with the WWT in Nick Prokopec. Another player who is also a mentor of the program is ex Dog and AFL footballer Daniel Schell.

Plus they have Brian Haraida working for them.
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Re: R6 Centrals v Norwood Saturday 3.05 PM

Postby whufc » Fri May 14, 2021 1:22 pm

Yeah Nick & Daniels involvement comes from them living in the Clare community and wanting to play a positive role, unfortunately for us its going to be to the benefit of the Eagles.

I wonder if Centrals have ever thought of doing such a thing at Craigmore High or Mark Oliphant College (Fremont would be out of the question I gather being it is a music speaclist school)

In a low socio-economic area where academic results tend to be on average lower i think a football style program could really work and provide strong outcomes for the schools, local community and the CDFC.
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Re: R6 Centrals v Norwood Saturday 3.05 PM

Postby wild dog » Fri May 14, 2021 1:36 pm

Previous Poster was talking about your assertion of excuses. Its been laid out about participation rates in the area and its blind obvious about the issues being faced regarding social cohesion. By my reading of it, you are well aware of the relationships that Sturt, Norwood and Glenelg have with the elite colleges. If you still assert its about effort (HTF a SANFL club is supposed to combat the myriad of social issues without serious injection of funds) the topic is no longer worth discussing.

Yes Golden Grove is now back in Centrals zone, for how long who knows. No all the Salisbury clubs are not in the zone. But hey we have always got the Barossa zone next to us though.
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Re: R6 Centrals v Norwood Saturday 3.05 PM

Postby whufc » Fri May 14, 2021 2:46 pm

wild dog wrote:Previous Poster was talking about your assertion of excuses. Its been laid out about participation rates in the area and its blind obvious about the issues being faced regarding social cohesion. By my reading of it, you are well aware of the relationships that Sturt, Norwood and Glenelg have with the elite colleges. If you still assert its about effort (HTF a SANFL club is supposed to combat the myriad of social issues without serious injection of funds) the topic is no longer worth discussing.

Yes Golden Grove is now back in Centrals zone, for how long who knows. No all the Salisbury clubs are not in the zone. But hey we have always got the Barossa zone next to us though.


My assertion is that the club is potentially aware of an issue and letting it be just that......an issue.

If you know what an issue is then you have the power to try and combat an issue. Like I said as I don't know the answer but what is the club presently doing to try and improve. eg Clare High is not an elite college it is a public high school to which the Eagles have built a strong relationship with.

Is Centrals trying to do that with our local high schools. I don't know the answer to that question...….if not how has the Eagles been able to be involved in such a program but we cant.....do they simply have more money than us.

From an outside point of view it appears the club is aware of an issue but is choosing more or less to sit on their hands and just let it continue to be an issue. Happy to be corrected if this isn't the case...I would love to hear what the club are doing.

I mean look even in your post you mention Golden Grove is in our zone but rather than be a positive your already insulating the negative that it wont be for long....I feel like that attitude runs through our club which is an excuse yes.. Whilst its in our zone we should be doing everything possible to try and make our club better for it.

Im happy to accept their are some things in place that make it harder for our club...……...does that mean we just accept we are going to be a low table side now for enterntity or until the SANFL 'decide' to make changes that suit us......hell no, get on the front foot and do everything possible to try and make the best of what you have with the resources we have......it doesn't cost a lot to have a presence which would be a bloody start. It's in my opinion that the club needs a heaps of new administrative fresh faces with fresh ideas, a group of people who have the enthusiasm, motivation and shit up them to make us great again. I don't believe we have that in place at present.....in particularly off field.
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