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Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 9:53 am
by DOC
I am petty sure you are right Jim (RE VFL).

Meanwhile, previous club champion Brede Seccull has gained a job in melbourne and looks certain to leave.

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:04 am
by am Bays
DOC wrote:I am petty sure you are right Jim (RE VFL).

Meanwhile, previous club champion Brede Seccull has gained a job in melbourne and looks certain to leave.


Is your little brother mentality with Bays coming to fore, again?

Trying to see if you can keep up with us with respect to who can have the most "outs"??

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:13 am
by DOC
Certainly not.

However, Cody Ellison has now left.

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:40 am
by darley16
What's going on DOC !!!!?? Is the SANFL imposed salary cap restrictions hitting hard at South therefore we can no longer retain or recruit players, if so, what's the point of it all, lock the doors hand the keys over the bank, walk away and let's all reflect of the great memories of a once great football competition and wonderful club :( .

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:50 am
by Reddeer
darley16 wrote:What's going on DOC !!!!?? Is the SANFL imposed salary cap restrictions hitting hard at South therefore we can no longer retain or recruit players, if so, what's the point of it all, lock the doors hand the keys over the bank, walk away and let's all reflect of the great memories of a once great football competition and wonderful club :( .

Well if we haven't worked out that the comp is just run for the benefit of the AFL by dud fatcats in control we are just clueless

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:59 am
by Brodlach
darley16 wrote:What's going on DOC !!!!?? Is the SANFL imposed salary cap restrictions hitting hard at South therefore we can no longer retain or recruit players, if so, what's the point of it all, lock the doors hand the keys over the bank, walk away and let's all reflect of the great memories of a once great football competition and wonderful club :( .

Not the only club :( :(

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 10:59 am
by Jim05
darley16 wrote:What's going on DOC !!!!?? Is the SANFL imposed salary cap restrictions hitting hard at South therefore we can no longer retain or recruit players, if so, what's the point of it all, lock the doors hand the keys over the bank, walk away and let's all reflect of the great memories of a once great football competition and wonderful club :( .

Just out of interest what penalties did the SANFL enforce on you cap wise?
I remember reading about it the time, was tied to your off field position and a unhealthy budget am I correct?

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:00 am
by Brodlach
Three clubs have around a 15% salary cap reduction


Increased dividend is the reason

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:04 am
by DOC
Brodlach wrote:Three clubs have around a 15% salary cap reduction



Correct. South, West and Glenelg.

The SANFL think that by making their playing stocks weaker it will help them recover financially, by winning less games and drawing fewer people to their games.

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:34 am
by Brodlach
DOC wrote:
Brodlach wrote:Three clubs have around a 15% salary cap reduction



Correct. South, West and Glenelg.

The SANFL think that by making their playing stocks weaker it will help them recover financially, by winning less games and drawing fewer people to their games.

Other leagues give extra points to help clubs improve but the SANFL take the help away to hinder improvement even more

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 11:41 am
by blueandwhite
DOC wrote:
Brodlach wrote:Three clubs have around a 15% salary cap reduction



Correct. South, West and Glenelg.

The SANFL think that by making their playing stocks weaker it will help them recover financially, by winning less games and drawing fewer people to their games.


-also less foot traffic through their licensed premises and that should help boost the bottom line....

Olsen logic for sure.

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:21 pm
by therisingblues
Brodlach wrote:Three clubs have around a 15% salary cap reduction


Increased dividend is the reason

Oh, the "make a profit or pay" regulation?
A bit like the council taking chairs away from a Cafe that isn't making enough money.
Surely this policy would result in a downward spiral. Taking away the tools a club needs to run its business, because business is hard.
Is there anyone out there who can adequately explain this policy?

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:25 pm
by bulldogproud
Brodlach wrote:Three clubs have around a 15% salary cap reduction


Increased dividend is the reason


Meanwhile, a certain eastern-suburbs club keeps on incurring salary cap infringements but, because they changed their vote to 'yes' over a certain action a few years ago, keep on getting favourable treatment!!! We sure do have an unfair system in the SANFL at times. :shock:

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:31 pm
by bulldogproud
am Bays wrote:
DOC wrote:I am petty sure you are right Jim (RE VFL).

Meanwhile, previous club champion Brede Seccull has gained a job in melbourne and looks certain to leave.


Is your little brother mentality with Bays coming to fore, again?

Trying to see if you can keep up with us with respect to who can have the most "outs"??


We may be beating you both: currently 16 players are 'outs' from our 2017 squad, mainly reserve competition players, but we will certainly miss a few: Glenn, Jansen, Edmead, Prior, Waldhuter, Collier, Broadwood et al.

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:31 pm
by therisingblues
bulldogproud wrote:
Brodlach wrote:Three clubs have around a 15% salary cap reduction


Increased dividend is the reason


Meanwhile, a certain eastern-suburbs club keeps on incurring salary cap infringements but, because they changed their vote to 'yes' over a certain action a few years ago, keep on getting favourable treatment!!! We sure do have an unfair system in the SANFL at times. :shock:

I heard a whisper not too long ago that a certain club infringed the cap again in 2017. I have been waiting for the story to break but it hasn't yet.
DId you hear a similar whisper BDP?

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:34 pm
by Aerie
Unbelievable penalties on South, West and Glenelg. Hard to fathom. If 3/8ths of the clubs are deemed unable to manage 100% payments of the salary cap then surely they just reduce it for all clubs given the entire point is to make a fair competition? Oh, wait a minute... never mind, carry on.

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 12:55 pm
by Brodlach
TBH even though it effects my club I understand the logic, clubs need to live within their means. If paying less in the salary cap makes you work harder in junior development it’s a win win situation. Many imports from these three clubs have come in, taken the money and done little for the club then run. O’Brein, Mc Bean just to name a couple

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:03 pm
by bulldogproud
therisingblues wrote:
bulldogproud wrote:
Brodlach wrote:Three clubs have around a 15% salary cap reduction


Increased dividend is the reason


Meanwhile, a certain eastern-suburbs club keeps on incurring salary cap infringements but, because they changed their vote to 'yes' over a certain action a few years ago, keep on getting favourable treatment!!! We sure do have an unfair system in the SANFL at times. :shock:

I heard a whisper not too long ago that a certain club infringed the cap again in 2017. I have been waiting for the story to break but it hasn't yet.
DId you hear a similar whisper BDP?


We heard the same one. Uncle Joe's paper bags seem to still be making the rounds. :roll:

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:31 pm
by Dutchy
Brodlach wrote:TBH even though it effects my club I understand the logic, clubs need to live within their means. If paying less in the salary cap makes you work harder in junior development it’s a win win situation. Many imports from these three clubs have come in, taken the money and done little for the club then run. O’Brein, Mc Bean just to name a couple


Cap is $350k isn't it? 15% reduction is $52.5k, for footy clubs that turn over $3-$4m each year I'm not sure it impacts their end result much.

Re: INS and OUTS for 2018

PostPosted: Fri Nov 24, 2017 1:36 pm
by am Bays
Dutchy wrote:
Brodlach wrote:TBH even though it effects my club I understand the logic, clubs need to live within their means. If paying less in the salary cap makes you work harder in junior development it’s a win win situation. Many imports from these three clubs have come in, taken the money and done little for the club then run. O’Brein, Mc Bean just to name a couple


Cap is $350k isn't it? 15% reduction is $52.5k, for footy clubs that turn over $3-$4m each year I'm not sure it impacts their end result much.


Try 2-3 Mill Dutchy, Glenelg is certainly closer to 2.