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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby morell » Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:10 pm

Dogwatcher wrote:
morell wrote: I expect them to understand that it's for the betterment of football in this state and in the grand scheme of things its not that big of a deal.


Betterment of football in SA? No, it's for the betterment of two football clubs in the national competition, not THE state.
There's a big difference between the two.
I can accept some arguments for the reserves being in the competition, but this is not one of them.
The two AFL clubs now represent the majority of peoples perceptions (and I'd strongly argue reality) of what SA football is. Most football supporters wouldn't be able to pick Zane Kirkwood apart from Kane Zirkwood.

The two AFL teams being competitive is critically important. Economically, emotionally, tactically, strategically. Lots-of-other-big-words-ally. We (as in the sport of Aussie Rules) are no longer competing in an empty marketplace with just cricket, we're competing with Soccer and Basketball (and other sports). Kids want to be Lionel Messi and LeBron James as much as Rory Sloane and Ollie Wines.

If we don't exhaust every avenue to ensure the AFL teams sustainability and competitiveness, in a cut throat competition like the AFL, they'll drop down the ladder. Then, if Port and the Crows have sustained bottom of the ladder periods, memberships drop. Attendance drops. Gameday revenue drops. Football spend drops. Cycle continues. Kids choose basketball and soccer. Junior numbers drop. Grassroots clubs fold. Pathways close. After all that it wont ****ing matter where the AFL Reserves play because there wont be enough kids to push through the ranks of the SANFL anyway.

This is the thing, the sporting competitive landscape has changed, we're in a connected globalised world. The priority *must* be the elite competition as it's the main catalyst for juniors to start their process into wanting to become a footballer.
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Booney » Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:37 pm

am Bays wrote:Image


Bit of a wait now mate. ;)
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby morell » Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:51 pm

Haven't even been troubled yet, bowling far too short.
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby JK » Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:59 pm

What Soccer and Basketball didn't exist previously?

Look, at the end of the day the AFL clubs will be much better off having their own reserves. And as you blokes Morell, Booney, Benny etc have more interest in your AFL side as opposed to the SANFL version, that will (understandably) be your driving influence

Similarly, proponents of the local AFL sides are also going to have a bias toward their SANFL clubs and the competition they play in.

Agreeing on this is as likely as Palestine and Israel sharing a few brews together.
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Dutchy » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:01 pm

morell wrote:
Dogwatcher wrote:
morell wrote: I expect them to understand that it's for the betterment of football in this state and in the grand scheme of things its not that big of a deal.


Betterment of football in SA? No, it's for the betterment of two football clubs in the national competition, not THE state.
There's a big difference between the two.
I can accept some arguments for the reserves being in the competition, but this is not one of them.
The two AFL clubs now represent the majority of peoples perceptions (and I'd strongly argue reality) of what SA football is. Most football supporters wouldn't be able to pick Zane Kirkwood apart from Kane Zirkwood.

The two AFL teams being competitive is critically important. Economically, emotionally, tactically, strategically. Lots-of-other-big-words-ally. We (as in the sport of Aussie Rules) are no longer competing in an empty marketplace with just cricket, we're competing with Soccer and Basketball (and other sports). Kids want to be Lionel Messi and LeBron James as much as Rory Sloane and Ollie Wines.

If we don't exhaust every avenue to ensure the AFL teams sustainability and competitiveness, in a cut throat competition like the AFL, they'll drop down the ladder. Then, if Port and the Crows have sustained bottom of the ladder periods, memberships drop. Attendance drops. Gameday revenue drops. Football spend drops. Cycle continues. Kids choose basketball and soccer. Junior numbers drop. Grassroots clubs fold. Pathways close. After all that it wont ****ing matter where the AFL Reserves play because there wont be enough kids to push through the ranks of the SANFL anyway.

This is the thing, the sporting competitive landscape has changed, we're in a connected globalised world. The priority *must* be the elite competition as it's the main catalyst for juniors to start their process into wanting to become a footballer.


I think its your turn @Pseudo
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby morell » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:19 pm

JK wrote:What Soccer and Basketball didn't exist previously?
Of course they did, but NBA League pass with a VPN is new. So is HD perfect subscription TV. So is EPL on Phones. So is internet streaming services.

When I was a kid I used to watch NBA action on Channel 10 for 30 minutes a week. This year I watched 60 Spurs games. Live.

JK wrote:Look, at the end of the day the AFL clubs will be much better off having their own reserves. And as you blokes Morell, Booney, Benny etc have more interest in your AFL side as opposed to the SANFL version, that will (understandably) be your driving influence

Similarly, proponents of the local AFL sides are also going to have a bias toward their SANFL clubs and the competition they play in.

Agreeing on this is as likely as Palestine and Israel sharing a few brews together.
Agreed.

The difference is, there are 600k morell's, Booney's and Benny's.

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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Booney » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:25 pm

morell wrote:
JK wrote:What Soccer and Basketball didn't exist previously?
Of course they did, but NBA League pass with a VPN is new. So is HD perfect subscription TV. So is EPL on Phones. So is internet streaming services.

When I was a kid I used to watch NBA action on Channel 10 for 30 minutes a week. This year I watched 60 Spurs games. Live.

JK wrote:Look, at the end of the day the AFL clubs will be much better off having their own reserves. And as you blokes Morell, Booney, Benny etc have more interest in your AFL side as opposed to the SANFL version, that will (understandably) be your driving influence

Similarly, proponents of the local AFL sides are also going to have a bias toward their SANFL clubs and the competition they play in.

Agreeing on this is as likely as Palestine and Israel sharing a few brews together.
Agreed.

The difference is, there are 600k morell's, Booney's and Benny's.

God helps us all.


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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Booney » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:26 pm

Dutchy wrote:I think its your turn @Pseudo


He doesn't even follow the SANFL anymore, he follows something more akin to Fantasy Football.
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Wedgie » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:28 pm

Answer me this morrell, how many SANFL games do you go to every year?
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Booney » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:35 pm

Wedgie wrote:Answer me this morrell, how many SANFL games do you go to every year?


You really need to ask? :shock:
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby MW » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:37 pm

Wedgie wrote:Answer me this morrell, how many SANFL games do you go to every year?


Somewhere between 3/5ths and 5/8ths of f..k all
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby amber_fluid » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:38 pm

Wedgie wrote:Answer me this morrell, how many SANFL games do you go to every year?


This will be interesting..................
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby morell » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:38 pm

None. Nadda. Zilch. Zero. 0.0. NULL

I last went to one in anger in 1998
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Ronnie » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:39 pm

How many people in SA are actually involved in an AFL club in a personal capacity apart from as a passive spectator??
Contrast that to all the volunteers required at the different levels (including SANFL) that the code relies on??
Who do you think is deserving of recognition? Professional sport generates the media and money (which the AFL spends anyway on it's fancies) but for virtually everyone in footy from player to volunteer who give of their time it ain't in an AFL setting.
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby amber_fluid » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:40 pm

morell wrote:None. Nadda. Zilch. Zero. 0.0. NULL

I last went to one in anger in 1998


That's a surprise!!! :roll:

Based on all your knowledge it sounds like you've been to heaps.........
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby morell » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:41 pm

Not really. Kind of in the majority there.
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Ian » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:42 pm

morell wrote:None. Nadda. Zilch. Zero. 0.0. NULL

I last went to one in anger in 1998


That makes you well qualified to have a opinion on the SANFL I guess :roll:
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby amber_fluid » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:42 pm

morell wrote:Not really. Kind of in the majority there.


I didn't take you as the majority type ;)
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby Booney » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:45 pm

Ronnie wrote:How many people in SA are actually involved in an AFL club in a personal capacity apart from as a passive spectator??
Contrast that to all the volunteers required at the different levels (including SANFL) that the code relies on??
Who do you think is deserving of recognition? Professional sport generates the media and money (which the AFL spends anyway on it's fancies) but for virtually everyone in footy from player to volunteer who give of their time it ain't in an AFL setting.


Over 120,000 members between the two clubs. That's not passive, is it?
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Re: The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

Postby morell » Thu Jun 01, 2017 4:46 pm

Ian wrote:
morell wrote:None. Nadda. Zilch. Zero. 0.0. NULL

I last went to one in anger in 1998


That makes you well qualified to have a opinion on the SANFL I guess :roll:
It does indeed ;)
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