cracka wrote:therisingblues wrote:cracka wrote:Why do so many posters on here have a go at the crows for having a reserves side in the SANFL when the AFL club they support (some very passionately) do the exact same thing with the VFL. Are they on the VFL forum saying that Hawthorn, Essendon, Collingwood etc should not be in the VFL & its an absolute disgrace that they are. Hypocrisy is the word that comes to mind.
What? Hypocrisy for not passionately opposing the invasion of a league we have no passion for?
Did Essendon, Collingwood etc take it upon themselves to threaten the VFA if they didn't comply?
Was the VFA a proudly independent system which vehemently opposed player poachings, silly rule changes and the stupid rebadging of Aussie Rules Footy as AFL?
You're going to have to help me out here, I don't know the answer to half the questions I've put here and still have in my head about the VFA. so how can I get passionate about it? For all I know the AFL has helped them or the followers are happy about the invasion. I really don't know but I'm guessing they aren't. On the same hand, did they readily agree to it or did they resist as we did?
Didn't all this shit happen before we had this forum? Maybe if it happened now we'd know a bit more about it and the topic would be a little bit more current?
Fill me in on the situation please.
Yes hypocrisy. Its not the league I'm talking about, its the club (Carlton in your case) doing the exact same as the crows & power & you support them for it, but its not ok for the crows & power to do it.
I don't know the answer to half the questions you put here either, they are irrelevant to my point anyway.
They're relevant.
I know very little about the now VFL, but I have a recollection of the AFL's entry to that league being an agreed upon deal. this cannot compare with the current situation of the SANFL's long resistance to the AFL. Clearly, we didn't want their second string sides, I cannot cmoment with any level of assurance about the VFL situation.
The old VFA was not the top league in Victoria, it played second fiddle to the old VFL, which represented tens of thousands of Victorians in a suburban based league. Much like the SANFL of old. Victorian arrogance pushed the SANFL to a lower standing. Again, incomparable to the VFA/VFL situation. What's happening now is a further lessening of the SANFL's stature.
Question for you: exactly when, in your opinion, did the VFA go from being the second tiered Victorian state league, to the number 1 Victorian state league? Was it when South Melbourne went to Sydney? When the Eagles and Bears joined? Or was it the moment the VFL pushed it's reserves into the VFA and everyone changed names?
In my lifetime I've seen crowds of around 14,000 squashed into Unley, Alberton, Norwood and Glenelg ovals. I saw several crowds of around 18,000, and one huge crowd of 35,000 at Footy Park, all for SANFL minor round games. The SANFL enjoyed the spotlight far more than the VFA ever did. Besides that, why should I have to campaign for a league I know next to nothing about for reasons that may turn out to be unjustified due to my ignorance of their situation? I'll stick to what I know and leave that debate for people more informed, or for those that love the VFA/VFL.
BTW, I became a born again Carlton fan after the Crows succeed in their muscle drive into the SANFL. I followed Carlton until the moment the VFL invaded the SANFL, now the Crows have committed the same sin, I cannot follow them any longer.
The AFL is nowhere near as important for me as the SANFL, I wouldn't swap clubs otherwise.