Adelaide Crows Reserves 2014

[Apachebulldog]

Can we come up with some guerrilla tactics ????

Plant some dirt on some CEO'S.

Maybe take some out on a cold dark night lol.

Viva La Revolution !!!

[kickinit]

Do you really think he won't get drafted because he is only playing reserve football? if the scouts know he can't play league unless there is injuries do you really think they wouldn't draft just because were he plays? I let you in on a little secret it's not were you play it's how you play. If a player has increased his size, is quicker and has improved his skills then he will have a better chance of getting drafted.

Yes, I do think that. Because that's what the history of the draft tells us. It wouldn't be much of a stretch for me to name 20 mature aged players (meaning players who've been overlooked in at least one AFL draft period, 19yo or older) drafted or rookied in the last half-dozen or so years, based on their performance at SANFL league level.

Name me one mature aged player, drafted or rookied based on his performance at SANFL reserves level. I can't think of one.

You seems to assume that despite the fact that our kid missed draft selection as an 18yo, clubs are closely monitoring his fitness, performance and improvement—no matter what comp he plays in—for any sign that he might have potential as an AFL footballer. They're not. They don't care. Unless a player pushes themselves back into prominence, after the age of 18 they're yesterday's news to an AFL club. There are dozens (in SA) and hundreds (nationwide) of fresh talented 18yos pushing through every year, and they remain the main game for talent scouts and club recruiters. Then the clubs also take a look at some players burning up the SANFL league comp (e.g. in 2013 Nathan Gordon), and a little bit at role-players who've performed their role so well in the SANFL league comp that clubs consider whether they could do it in the AFL too (e.g. in 2013 Joel Tippett). If you're not in one of those categories, you're off the radar. If you're a 19yo playing SANFL reserves footy week-in, week-out, you're not even in the game. AFL clubs couldn't care that you're getting in the best players list most weeks, any more than they could care less who's kicking the most goals and accumulating the most possessions in the Eyre Peninsula league. The Diesel Williams of Tumby Bay also probably believes that 'it's not where you play, it's how you play'. But based on their draft decisions, AFL clubs don't believe it.

You do realise playing in that academy side, he will have access to everything the AFL players have. coaches, trainers, facilities and not to mention training with AFL players.

Working with Darren Burgess and his team would do wonders for a 18 year old, which they won't be able to do at any other sanfl club. The fact is the training and advice he will receive at port is going to be far greater then what any sanfl club can offer him.

No, that's an assertion. A 'fact' is the quality of the SANFL reserves footballers that you will actually play once the zones are taken from you and the junior teams' tap is turned off. I doubt that it will bring the kids flocking. As for the suggestion that it's all going to be handball drills with Chad Wingard, and Burgo monitoring your progress against his personally-devised fitness plan for you, it's a shame that your CEO doesn't seem to agree:

We will have a clear delineation between our Magpies operation and the AFL program...

So, being a 'Power academy' SANFL reserves player in 2015, what have you got? Sounds like you're based at Alberton, you train there, you get to use the gym facilities when the 2 higher-priority groups aren't using them, you have a dedicated SANFL reserves coach, and if you're lucky have some minor involvement with the SANFL league team coach and/or the junior coaches of the AFL team. Sounds pretty similar to being a Magpies reserves player in 2012/13, only with the word 'academy' thrown in for window-dressing. There aren't too many mature-aged AFL picks flying out of that group.

There hasn't been a mature age rookie taken into the AFL that has only played reserves footy. But in saying that we haven't had a situation like this. Your basing your entire argument on what's happened in the past. That would be fine but things have changed and there is something new and improved to the system.

The thing you don't realise is how the PAFC system is setup. Did you actually read that article you posted? It doesn't sound like you did. That article had nothing to do with the academy that is playing in the SANFL reserves. Did you know we have 5 academy? If you had actually read the opening sentence you would know it was about our jnr academy not our senior academy in the SANFL.

PORT Adelaide has been forced to defend its plan to run junior academies alongside the Magpies and Power after an internal email revealed a rival AFL club had raised concerns.

“What they don’t want is an AFL club having access to underage players and hiding them inside the system and that's not our intention at all,” Thomas said.

I don't know if you know this but a 18 year old (which to play in the reserves you have to be) isn't classified as a jnr.

If that doesn't explain for you watch this video from the 20.20 mark and keith thomas will.



Port Adelaide Magies academy side WILL have access to everything a Port Power players has equipment and coaches. Which far out ways what a SANFL club can offer. A kid that's dream is to play AFL (which would majority of the kids playing JNR's) would look at the situation and think that is my best chance. A SANFL club isn't going offer a 18 year old much to develop into a AFL player, all they will be interested in is keeping you at SANFL level.

[bennymacca]

Can we come up with some guerrilla tactics ????

Plant some dirt on some CEO'S.

Maybe take some out on a cold dark night lol.

Viva La Revolution !!!

on the contrary, i reckon hiding in a house and not making contact with the outside world for a few years might work too, ala anne frank

[The Sleeping Giant]

Playing at a SANFL club isn't going to offer you much to make the AFL.

Lol. How did all those juniors get drafted previously? Will the SA u18 team just be port academy players?

[DOC]

More facts. Stop it.

[kickinit]

Playing at a SANFL club isn't going to offer you much to make the AFL.

Lol. How did all those juniors get drafted previously? Will the SA u18 team just be port academy players?

it was in relation to 18 year olds that had missed out on making the draft. A SANFL club isn't going to be interested in developing a 18 year old into a AFL player, all they are interested in is keeping him at their club. AAnd just for you TSG i've edited so you simple mind can understand it.

[am Bays]

How ever did Nathan Gordon, Ben Thompson, Shannon Motlop, Paul Puopolo, Nic Duigan get drafted from SANFL clubs as over-aged players in the past......

[kickinit]

How ever did Nathan Gordon, Ben Thompson, Shannon Motlop, Paul Puopolo, Nic Duigan get drafted from SANFL clubs as over-aged players in the past......

yes they got drafted from a sanfl club as a mature age rookie. But how many others would of been drafted if they had access to train with a AFL club, a lot more then the few that have.

[RB]

A SANFL club isn't going to be interested in developing a 18 year old into a AFL player, all they are interested in is keeping him at their club.

The way some at the Eagles talk about it, having them drafted is more important.

[The Sleeping Giant]

How ever did Nathan Gordon, Ben Thompson, Shannon Motlop, Paul Puopolo, Nic Duigan get drafted from SANFL clubs as over-aged players in the past......

yes they got drafted from a sanfl club as a mature age rookie. But how many others would of been drafted if they had access to train with a AFL club, a lot more then the few that have.

Lets draft that bloke, he trains well.

[PatowalongaPirate]

How ever did Nathan Gordon, Ben Thompson, Shannon Motlop, Paul Puopolo, Nic Duigan get drafted from SANFL clubs as over-aged players in the past......

yes they got drafted from a sanfl club as a mature age rookie. But how many others would of been drafted if they had access to train with a AFL club, a lot more then the few that have.

Lets draft that bloke, he trains well.

I remember throughout last pre season Mark Neeld and co at Melbourne spruiking how well the boys were training.

[The Sleeping Giant]

And developing

[stan]

How ever did Nathan Gordon, Ben Thompson, Shannon Motlop, Paul Puopolo, Nic Duigan get drafted from SANFL clubs as over-aged players in the past......

By magic Ta Da.

Seruously you know whats funny this is actually the fruit tingles reserves side thread not the wharfies.

[Booney]

So, Simon, it seems you think anyone over 18 not playing league football or in the AFL system is on the AFL scrapheap and AFL clubs are not watching them. Is this correct?

[bennymacca]

So, Simon, it seems you think anyone over 18 not playing league football or in the AFL system is on the AFL scrapheap and AFL clubs are not watching them. Is this correct?

I don't think he said that, but surely you would accept that they would be better off at the crows under their coaches of the crows were interested in them?

[Booney]

You seems to assume that despite the fact that our kid missed draft selection as an 18yo, clubs are closely monitoring his fitness, performance and improvement—no matter what comp he plays in—for any sign that he might have potential as an AFL footballer. They're not. They don't care. Unless a player pushes themselves back into prominence, after the age of 18 they're yesterday's news to an AFL club.

So, Simon, it seems you think anyone over 18 not playing league football or in the AFL system is on the AFL scrapheap and AFL clubs are not watching them. Is this correct?

I don't think he said that, but surely you would accept that they would be better off at the crows under their coaches of the crows were interested in them?

[bennymacca]

Fair enough, his language was a bit stronger than what I remembered hehe.

I wouldn't agree that the afl clubs don't care at all, but I still think them being at the crows reserves is a way way way better option than centrals reserves for the player, in terms of their possible future afl career

[The Sleeping Giant]

Players that get rookie listed after being overlooked in previous drafts are dominating at sanfl/vfl level. There is no specialist coaching involved. Some players are just late developers.

[Booney]

Yet the new untried system, in Simons view, doesn't seem to have any benefits. Untried, I stress.

[bennymacca]

Yet the new untried system, in Simons view, doesn't seem to have any benefits. Untried, I stress.

reserves teams arent untried, we can look to the VFL as an example.

im not making any judgements on the quality or otherwise of their comp, just that they have standalone reserves sides