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Spelly, if you have some spare time you could see how the point system below would impact on the SANFL based on squads for 2008.

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13th December 2008, 13:00 WST

The WAFL’s limit on Eastern States recruits could be scrapped as club and league officials continue to exchange opinions on the controversial and challenging player points system for 2009.

As part of an equalisation strategy for the local competition, all WAFL league squad members will be rated, with each club having to fit 55 players under a cap of 130 points.

Players recruited from outside a club’s zone carry a relatively heavy weighting under the points system.

While a club will have to allocate one point for each player developed within its district, a player from a SANFL club would be worth 10 points.

An interstate-developed former AFL player with more than 100 matches in the national competition would attract a maximum 12 points.

However, the WAFL has yet to do away with the condition that restricts each club to just six Eastern States recruits a season.

East Perth’s brains trust met WAFL officials this week to discuss the interstate player quota, which some clubs believe is creating a “double penalty” when used in conjunction with the points system.

Although there is a loading on interstate talent under the system, a player signed from country Victoria is worth five points, and with creative recruiting a club could fit more than six interstate players within the cap.

While developing the points system earlier this year, WAFL operations manager Clint Roberts recommended the interstate quota be abolished. The call was rejected by most of the clubs.

Another change to the new system being canvassed by WAFL officials suggests a club that has a significant number of players drafted to the AFL in one year be given a higher points cap.

For example, Swan Districts could lose 10 locally-produced youngsters who would have bolstered their team next year.

To replace that talent, they will have to seek players from outside their zone at a higher points rating than the homegrown teens.

Most WAFL clubs will complete their 2009 recruiting after the AFL rookie draft, when they know what talent is available.

Clubs must submit their 2009 squads by January 16. Should the list be submitted with more than 130 points, players will be deregistered, beginning with those at the highest point value.

My only issue with this system is that if say Central and West are after the same player who warrants 8 points and both can fit that amount into the salary cap it then becomes a bidding war and teams can go crazy in the salary's they pay players. Generally the wealthier clubs will get stronger and stronger.

A similar system is used in the NBL and despite it's attempts to bridge the gap between wealthier and poorer clubs it hasn't worked. Look how long the Melbourne Tigers have been up the top for.

whufc wrote:My only issue with this system is that if say Central and West are after the same player who warrants 8 points and both can fit that amount into the salary cap it then becomes a bidding war and teams can go crazy in the salary's they pay players. Generally the wealthier clubs will get stronger and stronger.

A similar system is used in the NBL and despite it's attempts to bridge the gap between wealthier and poorer clubs it hasn't worked. Look how long the Melbourne Tigers have been up the top for.

If you take any notice of West Adelaide supporters according to them it is already happening.

Dogmatic wrote:

whufc wrote:My only issue with this system is that if say Central and West are after the same player who warrants 8 points and both can fit that amount into the salary cap it then becomes a bidding war and teams can go crazy in the salary's they pay players. Generally the wealthier clubs will get stronger and stronger.

A similar system is used in the NBL and despite it's attempts to bridge the gap between wealthier and poorer clubs it hasn't worked. Look how long the Melbourne Tigers have been up the top for.

If you take any notice of West Adelaide supporters according to them it is already happening.

Oh i think i have met that guy before.

Now let me get this right.

This thread, relating to the salary cap, was started by a Central supporter, responded to by a Central supporter, continued by a Central supporter and responded to again by a Central supporter.

They then have a laugh at an anonymous West supporter who has a strong opinion about the same subject, but hadn't responded to this thread

I think a points system if done right is a good way to go if its about evening up a comp (I think the salary cap is there for other reasons however).
One that weighs in favour of clubs that hang onto juniors and do less interstate recruiting would be the go although it would stuff up my club big time!
Ironically a system like that would probably see Central even more dominant.
Christ, I'd settle for anything that stops redandblack whinging over and over and over and over.

Knockout punch time, Wedgie

Have a search of the 'Salary Cap' title on the SANFL Forum and see who starts the most threads

I think my record is 1 out of 23, last time I looked.

What's yours

redandblack wrote:Knockout punch time, Wedgie

Have a search of the 'Salary Cap' title on the SANFL Forum and see who starts the most threads

I think my record is 1 out of 23, last time I looked.

What's yours

Yeah no worries mate I'd personally have more of an issue with the amount of posts they make on a subject, I must have been seeing things in the CDFC and Norwood recruit topics.
Back on topic please, your smilies are getting more nauseating than Sturtpeters.

I have long been a supporter of a points system however I believe it should be aimed a certain number of total points per game (31) for that games 21 players in the league side.

Any team can sign as many good players as they like but can only play x amount of high point players per game -- give quality players want to play at league level and not sit out games then this in itself will create a balance within 3 years.

Main thing is that a points system has several things going for it.

1. Is transparent therefore removed all accusations.

2. Does not limit the number of quality players in the SANFL hence retains our competition as the #1 behind the awful (sorry AFL).

3. Will enhance clubs desire to create home grown products and will tend to ensure that most AFL players will return to thier original club.

In terms of the ongoing accusations to do with the salary cap I feel its more a question of is the SANFL administration really serious about it when it will weaken the competition as I am sure the AFL intended when they threatened to withhold $$$ if not introduced.

I don't think a per game system would work oldella. It would mean sometimes the best 21 wouldn't be playing for a club and you may have one of their better players playing reserves purely because of the point system.
I reckon a per season and squad system without perhaps an allowance for injury waivers.

would a points system take into account something like a wealthy club supporter gifting free cars to star players ?

Per game means targeted recruits but a very strong push for home grown players however concede your point as would be disappointing for supporters.

System I mentioned is used in one of the minor country leagues but sadly (with my old memory) I cannot remember which to follow up its results.

Either way, I do not care -- what I want is a more transparent system that can be seen and understood by all supporters.

Question, has anyone got a PDf copy of the salary cap rules for the SANFL?

Cannot find anywhere on SANFL site nor internet site and when I rang SANFL was told each club has hard copy and to ask my club for permission to read --- no hope of getting a copy of what surely is not a confidential document --- or is it?

EAGLES wrote:would a points system take into account something like a wealthy club supporter gifting free cars to star players ?

No --- system basically relates to players club of origin and experience.

Am trying to find a link to the detailed WAFL points system to read - will post link when I find unless one of the cleverer posters can find it.

from http://www.footygoss.com/index.php/main ... to_change/

The WAFC today announced today it’s approval of changes to the way recruiting is to be run starting with the 2009 season. Clubs will be able to recruit based on the points value of players below. This system is intended to create a more equal recruiting system and ensure greater transparency in the proces. The Football Affairs Committee will conduct a review of the new rules after 12 months of operation.

o Local district (non league) player top ups 0 points
o Allocated AFL Listed or rookie listed player 0 points
o Local District player 1 point
o Local District AFL returnee 1 point
o International recruit 1 point
o Non District – no WAFL games 2 points
o Non District – 1 to 25 games 3 points
o Non District – 26 to 50 games 5 points
o Non District – 51 to 100 games 7 points
o Non District – 101 + games 10 points
o I/state Non Category 1* comp 5 points
o I/state Category 1* comp 10 points
o Non District AFL rookie 6 points
o Non district AFL delisted 0 games 8 points
o Non district AFL delisted 1 to 50 games 10 points
o Non district AFL delisted 51 to 100 games 11 points
o Non district AFL delisted 100+ games 12 points

EAGLES wrote:would a points system take into account something like a wealthy club supporter gifting free cars to star players ?

A points system would make player remuneration irrelevant so would remove the above example as an attempt to circumvent the slary cap - ie the points system replaces the salary cap.

I'd need to know where every player came from, as well as exactly what Category 1 means - is that the other state leagues? And differing amounts of players used per club I would need to counter as well.

I believe cat 1 is SANFL or VFL -- non cat 1 all others - could be wrong

I say, scrap the S.A.N.F.L. salary cap!!!

I believe there is still a salary cap (but that doesn't make sense, but hey, that's the WAFL!).

Seriously, it seems to have sparked some interest in the comp with the big payers in $ubi, Sth Frem and the like not up in the top echelon. East Freo and Peel are in the top three and $ubi have a 2-2 record. Seems as though (to coin a musical lyric) "Money Can't Buy Me Love (... And Premierships!)"

oldfella wrote:from http://www.footygoss.com/index.php/main ... to_change/

The WAFC today announced today it’s approval of changes to the way recruiting is to be run starting with the 2009 season. Clubs will be able to recruit based on the points value of players below. This system is intended to create a more equal recruiting system and ensure greater transparency in the proces. The Football Affairs Committee will conduct a review of the new rules after 12 months of operation.

o Local district (non league) player top ups 0 points
o Allocated AFL Listed or rookie listed player 0 points
o Local District player 1 point
o Local District AFL returnee 1 point
o International recruit 1 point
o Non District – no WAFL games 2 points
o Non District – 1 to 25 games 3 points
o Non District – 26 to 50 games 5 points
o Non District – 51 to 100 games 7 points
o Non District – 101 + games 10 points
o I/state Non Category 1* comp 5 points
o I/state Category 1* comp 10 points
o Non District AFL rookie 6 points
o Non district AFL delisted 0 games 8 points
o Non district AFL delisted 1 to 50 games 10 points
o Non district AFL delisted 51 to 100 games 11 points
o Non district AFL delisted 100+ games 12 points

Would be an interesting exercise if someone with a lot of time on their hands went through and applied this to the SANFL club lists.