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SA FOOTY PHILOSOPHY - Why we should back the big red!

PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:42 pm
by PhilH
SA FOOTY PHILOSOPHY - WHY WE SHOULD BACK THE BIG RED.
By Phil Herden



In the weeks surrounding the Victoria v Dream Team match, we have heard plenty about the lack of the South Australian jumper in the celebrations.

It was almost as if the whole state was insulted that we had been overlooked in the 150th anniversary of the sport.

Well this Saturday that famous big red guernsey is back, as the SANFL take on the VFL at Adelaide Oval, but does anyone care?

As someone who remembers with great fondness those epic interstate games in the 1980’s I am often bemused that so little passion has carried over into what is the highest level of representative football we have left.

The most common response is that these games lose impact because of the number of non-South Australians representing the SANFL.

That’s probably because this match is often portrayed as a pseudo State Of Origin battle, ie it’s labeled as SA v VIC when in reality it’s SANFL v VFL.

After all I wonder what Tasmanian Devil players Cameron Thurley, Nathan Street & James Charlesworth think when they labeled as playing for Victoria.

There is nothing wrong with calling this match what it is, a state football league versus a state football league.

This is not State of Origin Football, so what?

The history of Interstate Football dates back almost 130 years, to Tuesday July 1st 1879 when the SAFA (as the SANFL was called then) journeyed to Melbourne to take on the VFA at the East Melbourne Cricket Ground. It was a humbling experience, SA going goalless (0.3) losing to VFA (7.14) although we soon got our revenge winning at the Adelaide Oval in 1890 & 1891.

Since then the SANFL has been represented in 280 state games, only 23 (8%) of those under a State of Origin format.

In other words a State League v State League format has comprised over 90% of South Australia's Interstate Games.

And isn't the SANFL, as a league, worth supporting this Saturday?

This SANFL team not only represents the league and its 132 year old history but within it also its 9 clubs with over 1030 years of combined history and tradition.

This team on Saturday will represent and carry on the history of the tens of thousands of players who have competed in the league and the tens of millions of fans who have gone to SANFL matches over the years.

It matters little where these players in the SANFL squad have come from, the simple fact is that on Saturday they will represent the league they have chosen to play in, the best state sporting league in all of Australia.

Do not be mistaken, there is plenty of stake on Saturday for the SANFL & VFL have very different philosophies on what a state league should be. The winner of this clash will be able to claim, theirs is they way for state league football into the future.


The VFL is what the AFL would like a state league to be, subservient to it’s national agenda, it’s main purpose to be the “reserves” competition for AFL listed players unable to get a senior match.

What little mainstream media coverage they receive is almost fully focused on the performances of AFL players and the “reserves” tag is used widely by these outlets to portray the competition.

Very little homage is paid to the VFA roots it arose from, indeed the very name change from VFA to VFL has over time eroded the image of the competition to the point where the league this year does not have a naming rights sponsor nor does it publish its crowd figures.

The SANFL meanwhile, is the closest of any state league competition to what we enjoyed back in the 1980’s

The league, more than any other, has maintained its teams (bar Woodville & West Torrens who still have a link through the merged Eagles), its tradition, its venues and to some extent its media coverage and supporters.

It is a competition in its own right, its relationship with the AFL clubs is one of mutual agreement. After all the SANFL owns the licenses of the Power & Crows and the stadium they play in, ensuring an annual dividend of over $400,000 to each of its member clubs.

This relationship is not always perfect, nor is the competition held in the same light as it was pre-AFL but it is streets ahead of what occurs interstate.

The media never refers to the SANFL as a reserves competition and the coverage it receives is the envy of every state sporting competition in the country.

South Australia is unique in all of Australia for having the ability to strongly support its national league football sides yet still maintain a strong and passionate interest in the state competition.

That is something we should be proud of and on Saturday celebrate.

As a final thought if you are still having trouble getting fired up for Saturdays State League clash look no further than this comment currently headlining the front page of the VFL web site

"There is no doubting that by whatever criteria you care to use, the VFL is the best Australian Football Competition outside the AFL."

"Whatever criteria you care to use", what like history, tradition, integrity of competition, crowds or media coverage, let alone recent records against other state leagues?

Sound’s like someone needs to learn a lesson on Saturday.

I hope to see you there.

Re: SA FOOTY PHILOSOPHY - Why we should back the big red!

PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:50 pm
by bayman
the big bold lettered statement sounds like a nick sauntner statement, i'm sorry he's not playing, i was looking forward to chatting to him during the game

Re: SA FOOTY PHILOSOPHY - Why we should back the big red!

PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 10:54 pm
by Peterxtc
I'm looking forward to this a lot. Great write up Phil. SANFL its worth plenty. Lets all enjoy what we've got before Square Peg (or whoever) decide we need to become a 'mini' AFL clone. Viva SANFL!

Re: SA FOOTY PHILOSOPHY - Why we should back the big red!

PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:08 pm
by bayman
Peterxtc wrote:I'm looking forward to this a lot. Great write up Phil. SANFL its worth plenty. Lets all enjoy what we've got before Square Peg (or whoever) decide we need to become a 'mini' AFL clone. Viva SANFL!



exactly we are 'the sanfl'

they are 'afl victoria'


i'd bet a million bucks the afl would want victoria to win but we can't let it happen can we boys

Re: SA FOOTY PHILOSOPHY - Why we should back the big red!

PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 2:14 am
by Jimmy
wow, after reading that, i wish i could be there. ill be listening and cheering like crazy!!!!

Re: SA FOOTY PHILOSOPHY - Why we should back the big red!

PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:08 pm
by PhilH
VFL Squad, with numbers

1 JOHNSON Brett (Will)
2 KENNA Steve (BxHl)
3 NAHAS Robin (PM)
4 STRETTON David (Will)
5 SKIPWORTH Hayden (Ben)
6 ROACH Tom (N Ball)
7 McGRATH Cory (PM)
10 NEVILLE Alistair (BxHl)
11 ROSE Patrick (Will)
12 GOODES Brett (North Ball)
15 IACOBUCI Adam (Bullants)
16 NICHOLLS Danny (Coll)
17 MARIGLIANI Marcus (Fran)
18 BERRY Justin (Fran)
19 FIRMAN Matthew (Geel)
20 PODSIADLY James (Wer VC)
21 WALL James (Cas)
23 CARTLEDGE Tristan (Cob)
24 CLOKE Jason (Will)
25 MEYER Scott (Will)
29 SEARL Michael (Nth Ball)
32 SILVESTER Jarrod (Cob)
33 STEPHENSON Orren (Nth Ball)
36 SPOLDING Jacob (Nth Ball)

Re: SA FOOTY PHILOSOPHY - Why we should back the big red!

PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:17 pm
by PhilH
SANFL MEDIA RELEASE - FORMER MAGAREY MEDALLISTS TO LEAD SOUTH AUSTRALIA INTO BATTLE

The SANFL takes great pleasure in announcing the Captain and Vice Captain for this Saturday’s State Match against Victoria at Adelaide Oval.

2002 Magarey Medallist and current Sturt Co-Captain Jade Sheedy has been appointed as State Captain for the West End South Australian State Team. Jade will be assisted by the 2004 Magarey Medallist Paul Thomas.

SA State Coach Darel Hart said “I have total faith in these two club co-captains leading SA into battle against our fiercest rivals this weekend. Watching these guys in action at their Clubs, and during the State training program, proved they were the right men for the job”.

Captain Jade Sheedy was thrilled to be appointed to this role. He said “it is a great honour to not only play representative footy but to lead the side is something I will cherish”.

His Vice Captain, Paul Thomas added “this is my second time as Vice Captain of the State Team. Having played the majority of my footy here in SA, I take great pride in putting on the red jumper to represent my State”.

The State Team will train for the final time on Friday evening at Adelaide Oval, commencing at 6.00pm.

The Coaches and Captains from both South Australia and Victoria will be available on Friday at 4.30pm for an Open Media Session at Adelaide Oval.

Re: SA FOOTY PHILOSOPHY - Why we should back the big red!

PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 9:17 pm
by JK
Jimmy wrote:wow, after reading that, i wish i could be there. ill be listening and cheering like crazy!!!!


Yeah must admit despite there being none of my own in the team, Im looking forward to the game (not the West End though, but we all have to make sacrifices :wink: )

Re: SA FOOTY PHILOSOPHY - Why we should back the big red!

PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:17 am
by therisingblues
Well written Phil!
After reading that I feel as though SA is going in as the representative of free thinking people everywhere. We continue to resist the empire, with pride we preserve what we are and what we love!
Come on South Australia!

Re: SA FOOTY PHILOSOPHY - Why we should back the big red!

PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2008 12:29 am
by pipers
Absolutely spot on Phil. Fantastic writing.

Ecky- are you reading this?

Re: SA FOOTY PHILOSOPHY - Why we should back the big red!

PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2008 11:01 am
by Ian
Had a conversation with Glen Elliot (I think PhilH did as well) last night, he being a Victorian stated that we should have been making a 2nd Vic banner, not a SANFL (note, not SA) one, being a Victorian he can not grasp the concept of league vs league instead of SOO. Stated that this game should have been selected using SOO rules, when I mentioned that would rule out Alleway for this game, and for Vic last time we played them, he basiclly said bad luck if you were born a Vic, play for Vic, if you were born a croweater play for SA, anyone else to miss out as there is no meaning in games involving anyone else.