Nathan Bassett

[HH3]

If he didn't sign it, it would be considered up for negotiation still. If he told them he'd sleep on it, they have every right to change it when he comes back to them.

LOL You'll go a long way in the business world

If two parties thrash out at the negotiation table and come up with a set of conditions and level of remuneration that is agreed upon, then the paperwork presented is significantly different, you consider that good business practice?

I'm no big city lawyer, but I don't think North would open themselves up to a potential lawsuit.

Obviously the deal wasn't actually done yet, and Bassetts just venting on the radio, possibly exaggerating things a bit.

Was there ANY paperwork actually presented?

Were the actual people authorised to finalise the deal present in the initial discussions?

[JK]

If he didn't sign it, it would be considered up for negotiation still. If he told them he'd sleep on it, they have every right to change it when he comes back to them.

LOL You'll go a long way in the business world

If two parties thrash out at the negotiation table and come up with a set of conditions and level of remuneration that is agreed upon, then the paperwork presented is significantly different, you consider that good business practice?

I'm no big city lawyer, but I don't think North would open themselves up to a potential lawsuit.

Obviously the deal wasn't actually done yet, and Bassetts just venting on the radio, possibly exaggerating things a bit.

Was there ANY paperwork actually presented?

Were the actual people authorised to finalise the deal present in the initial discussions?

There's nothing in what we've discussed that would open North up to a lawsuit - All parties verbally agreed on terms, then after they'd agreed North changed their offer. Probably sensible financial management from their perspective. Clearly from Bassett's side of things, it would be poor form.

[HH3]

Fair enough. Someone else mentioned legal implications before.

From his perspective, it would seem like bad management. But if you look at it from Norths point of view, they stopped a budgeting error before it happened.

I dont know the details, but maybe it had to do with the other coach and support staff hirings over the last few days. They just ran out of footy department cash.

Having said that, it does seem like Bassett feels he is entitled, and maybe he should take what he can get to get his foot in the door of an AFL system. Word is he's being indecisive with Essendon.

[dedja]

A verbal agreement can still be considered a contract ...

If the figures are true, then $150K is the very low end for an AFL assistant whilst $80K is an insult, and Bass would be getting more than that at Norwood.

I think the fella's a prick, but looks like he's quite within his rights on this one and good luck to him for sticking to his guns.

[HH3]

a verbal agreement can still be considered a contract ...

What if they say "this isnt a verbal agreement, but would you come here for $150,000?"

But seriously, hypothetically, could North just say they never said that to him? How would he prove in court that the verbal agreement actually took place without a recording?

Trying to gain my Cert III in Legal Studies through SAFooty for free

[Dutchy]

Walsh, Tudor, Ling > Bassett

The Roos are the winners

[smac]

Based on Ling's outstanding coaching record?

[HH3]

His job is to assist the leadership group. Being a Premiership Captain, I think he's right for that job.

[smac]

Can hardly say he's better than Bassett though, given they weren't competing for the same role.

[HH3]

I'd say Leigh Tudor was the one that got the role Bassett wanted.

Coached Geelongs VFL side to the 2007 Premiership and been an assistant at St Kilda and Sydney while both were playing in/winning Grand Finals.

Pretty good appointment I'd say.

[Dutchy]

I was saying the appointments they have made since rejecting Bassett have been outstanding. I was worried when both Bassett and Betts were linked to the Roos, thankfully neither ended up there

[JK]

I'd say Leigh Tudor was the one that got the role Bassett wanted.

Coached Geelongs VFL side to the 2007 Premiership and been an assistant at St Kilda and Sydney while both were playing in/winning Grand Finals.

Pretty good appointment I'd say.

Yep from everything you hear, Tudor has massive wraps on him by all and sundry. Good appointment by the Roos that one. (Have no doubt Bassett would have been too)

[SimonH]

What if they say "this isnt a verbal agreement, but would you come here for $150,000?"

But seriously, hypothetically, could North just say they never said that to him? How would he prove in court that the verbal agreement actually took place without a recording?

Trying to gain my Cert III in Legal Studies through SAFooty for free

They could, and he could say the opposite, and the trial Judge would have to decide who s/he believed. (And would also have to decide whether, if he believed Bassett, it was just a statement by way of pre-contractual negotiation, never intended to be binding.) Documents are nice, but 'they've got no evidence of that' is a bit of a furphy, as 'evidence' includes oral evidence that the Court accepts as true!

That said, I'll pour cold water on your studies by saying that you never sue about employment in a (relatively) small industry like Aussie rules unless you accept that you're never going to work in the industry again. (Obviously the brief Hird and the Essendon doctor vs the AFL litigation is an exception, as they had a large and powerful footy club backing them.)

The other thing making it not worth doing so is: what's your loss? Suing for 'hurt feelings', 'damage to reputation' etc generally leads nowhere in a business environment, so your loss is just the difference between yr pay in the job you were offered and the job that you actually get for 2014. If we presume that the difference is tens of thousands, it ain't worth a case where the legal fees are going to be at least tens of thousands.

[RB]

'evidence' includes oral evidence

Does it?

[Dutchy]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-10-11/b ... t-for-roos

The audio from the interview is in the link above, worth a listen even for the discussion about SANFL comp etc

[Pag]

I did hear somewhere that North were attempting to create a new role for Bassett using money from an AFL grant, but the AFL stepped in and said the cash was to be spent in a certain department and not another coach, hence North having to pull the offer.

[Jim05]

I did hear somewhere that North were attempting to create a new role for Bassett using money from an AFL grant, but the AFL stepped in and said the cash was to be spent in a certain department and not another coach, hence North having to pull the offer.

Yes, have heard similar.
And those figures bandied about are pretty close to mark I believe.
North reduced their initial offer by close to half.
No sensible person would uproot their family and go interstate for less than what he is currently on.
Essendon are still not the only club chasing him but im confident with the package reportedly offered that he will sign before end of next week

[daysofourlives]

I did hear somewhere that North were attempting to create a new role for Bassett using money from an AFL grant, but the AFL stepped in and said the cash was to be spent in a certain department and not another coach, hence North having to pull the offer.

Yes, have heard similar.
And those figures bandied about are pretty close to mark I believe.
North reduced their initial offer by close to half.
No sensible person would uproot their family and go interstate for less than what he is currently on.
Essendon are still not the only club chasing him but im confident with the package reportedly offered that he will sign before end of next week

Please dont let it be Hawthorn

[Jim05]

I did hear somewhere that North were attempting to create a new role for Bassett using money from an AFL grant, but the AFL stepped in and said the cash was to be spent in a certain department and not another coach, hence North having to pull the offer.

Yes, have heard similar.
And those figures bandied about are pretty close to mark I believe.
North reduced their initial offer by close to half.
No sensible person would uproot their family and go interstate for less than what he is currently on.
Essendon are still not the only club chasing him but im confident with the package reportedly offered that he will sign before end of next week

Please dont let it be Hawthorn

Hawthorn is one of the 3 that are interested im led to believe, the other being West Coast but his wife isnt keen on the move West so they would have to offer a lot more to entice him.
Hawthorn and Essendon have both offered similar roles and packages, so it depends on if Bass wants to go to a successful club or try to turn Essendon into a successful club.
I can see it now Daisy, Bass the Hawks defensive coach with his good mate Schoenmakers the key defender

[daysofourlives]

I did hear somewhere that North were attempting to create a new role for Bassett using money from an AFL grant, but the AFL stepped in and said the cash was to be spent in a certain department and not another coach, hence North having to pull the offer.

Yes, have heard similar.
And those figures bandied about are pretty close to mark I believe.
North reduced their initial offer by close to half.
No sensible person would uproot their family and go interstate for less than what he is currently on.
Essendon are still not the only club chasing him but im confident with the package reportedly offered that he will sign before end of next week

Please dont let it be Hawthorn

Hawthorn is one of the 3 that are interested im led to believe, the other being West Coast but his wife isnt keen on the move West so they would have to offer a lot more to entice him.
Hawthorn and Essendon have both offered similar roles and packages, so it depends on if Bass wants to go to a successful club or try to turn Essendon into a successful club.
I can see it now Daisy, Bass the Hawks defensive coach with his good mate Schoenmakers the key defender

We're not looking for a Box Hill coach