Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

[Squawk]

I wouldn't have a clue how much players are on at Centrals and i won't even bother guessing BUT what i do know is that Centrals pay there top 10 players (not sure what aspects decide who the top 10 are) the exact same amount and these blokes are obviously on more than the rest of the squad.

I have spoke to players from other clubs besides Centrals and they seem to think that there are average footballers at their clubs who are on almost double to what some of the top Central players are on. (not sure how they know this info but thats what i have been told.)

I also know Centrals have picked up some bargains in players like O'Sullivan, Goodrem and Hayes because no other SANFL clubs were looking at them, so Central didn't need to match any other offer and these players couldn't compare.

If the top 10 players all get paid the same it is no easier a task for a club - eg if they all got $25k a year this year, then with the cap at $350k that would only leave 100K for the rest of the team.

It's still no easier fitting in to the cap. And how would a recruiting manager go saying to a prospective recruit that "we'd like you to join our group of top 10 players, and btw they all get paid the same at 25k each". Too hard. If this was my club in this example, how would a recruit like a Doyle or a Trotter respond to that? I'd say they wouldn't care what others got paid, as long as they got what they thought they were worth or could command. If club A offered them 25k and clubs b,c and d offered them $40-60k, why would they go to a club that could only offer them an elite opportunity to be paid in the top 10 category?

Personally, unless 85% of SANFL players are playing for the love of the jumper, a good standard of competitive footy and some comaraderie, I find it really hard to see how a cap (of $350k in 2008) can be met when everyone has to agree that (taking out some of the chinese whisper elements of player salaries), you'd expect a top notch recruit to command a minimum of $50k per annum?

[goraw]

I wouldn't have a clue how much players are on at Centrals and i won't even bother guessing BUT what i do know is that Centrals pay there top 10 players (not sure what aspects decide who the top 10 are) the exact same amount and these blokes are obviously on more than the rest of the squad.

I have spoke to players from other clubs besides Centrals and they seem to think that there are average footballers at their clubs who are on almost double to what some of the top Central players are on. (not sure how they know this info but thats what i have been told.)

I also know Centrals have picked up some bargains in players like O'Sullivan, Goodrem and Hayes because no other SANFL clubs were looking at them, so Central didn't need to match any other offer and these players couldn't compare.

If the top 10 players all get paid the same it is no easier a task for a club - eg if they all got $25k a year this year, then with the cap at $350k that would only leave 100K for the rest of the team.

It's still no easier fitting in to the cap. And how would a recruiting manager go saying to a prospective recruit that "we'd like you to join our group of top 10 players, and btw they all get paid the same at 25k each". Too hard. If this was my club in this example, how would a recruit like a Doyle or a Trotter respond to that? I'd say they wouldn't care what others got paid, as long as they got what they thought they were worth or could command. If club A offered them 25k and clubs b,c and d offered them $40-60k, why would they go to a club that could only offer them an elite opportunity to be paid in the top 10 category?

Personally, unless 85% of SANFL players are playing for the love of the jumper, a good standard of competitive footy and some comaraderie, I find it really hard to see how a cap (of $350k in 2008) can be met when everyone has to agree that (taking out some of the chinese whisper elements of player salaries), you'd expect a top notch recruit to command a minimum of $50k per annum?

but isnt the top notch players atleast worth getting a high paid job to supplement ? im sure thats what all clubs do? im only guessing though.

[Ian]

One positive from this thread,

after the bays had more success this year, this thread was started by a Westies supporter instead of one of the Bays suporters as we had become acustomed to the past few years.

[whufc]

I wouldn't have a clue how much players are on at Centrals and i won't even bother guessing BUT what i do know is that Centrals pay there top 10 players (not sure what aspects decide who the top 10 are) the exact same amount and these blokes are obviously on more than the rest of the squad.

I have spoke to players from other clubs besides Centrals and they seem to think that there are average footballers at their clubs who are on almost double to what some of the top Central players are on. (not sure how they know this info but thats what i have been told.)

I also know Centrals have picked up some bargains in players like O'Sullivan, Goodrem and Hayes because no other SANFL clubs were looking at them, so Central didn't need to match any other offer and these players couldn't compare.

If the top 10 players all get paid the same it is no easier a task for a club - eg if they all got $25k a year this year, then with the cap at $350k that would only leave 100K for the rest of the team.

It's still no easier fitting in to the cap. And how would a recruiting manager go saying to a prospective recruit that "we'd like you to join our group of top 10 players, and btw they all get paid the same at 25k each". Too hard. If this was my club in this example, how would a recruit like a Doyle or a Trotter respond to that? I'd say they wouldn't care what others got paid, as long as they got what they thought they were worth or could command. If club A offered them 25k and clubs b,c and d offered them $40-60k, why would they go to a club that could only offer them an elite opportunity to be paid in the top 10 category?

Personally, unless 85% of SANFL players are playing for the love of the jumper, a good standard of competitive footy and some comaraderie, I find it really hard to see how a cap (of $350k in 2008) can be met when everyone has to agree that (taking out some of the chinese whisper elements of player salaries), you'd expect a top notch recruit to command a minimum of $50k per annum?

Like i said I KNOW AS FACT that the top 10 players are all on the same salary and Central have never had to much trouble recruiting players so it just shows how much more proffesional our recruiting manager is, if he can manage to bring blokes in of the calibre of Callianan and O'Sullivan.

Just go back through these forums to see that Central have missed out on alot of possible recruits because they haven't been the highest bidder.

[johntheclaret]

You have to have a Salary Cap if you want a competition...simple

Agree Dutchy. Even the EPL in the UK are discussing the possibility of introducing a salary cap as the comp has gone crazy.

No salary cap means no comp. you end up with a Man U, Chelsea situation.

Hang on, How many times have Centrals won a GF on the trot, how many consecutive GF's have they appeared in. Hmmmmmmm. Dutchy, sorry I disagree, not having a cap will make no difference at all. CDFC will just keep winning anyway

[Hondo]

I think people are kidding themselves if they think that a fair few AFL players wouldn't drop to the SANFL if they could play part time and get paid an extra 20,000 a year.

There is no way the AFL will put themselves in a position where players could choose to play SANFL for more money than play AFL.

I think you're kidding yourself

18 year old AFL rookies with no experience start out on $40-$50K. So that's the absolute bare minimum and it's already 2-3 times more than your piddly $20K.

AFL clubs have a salary cap close to $8m. No player is going to voluntarily leave the AFL for a better offer by an SANFL club, even if we doubled our cap. We are a threat to the VFL or the WAFL, not the AFL.

[whufc]

I think people are kidding themselves if they think that a fair few AFL players wouldn't drop to the SANFL if they could play part time and get paid an extra 20,000 a year.

There is no way the AFL will put themselves in a position where players could choose to play SANFL for more money than play AFL.

I think you're kidding yourself

18 year old AFL rookies with no experience start out on $40-$50K. So that's the absolute bare minimum and it's already 2-3 times more than your piddly $20K.

AFL clubs have a salary cap close to $8m. No player is going to voluntarily leave the AFL for a better offer by an SANFL club, even if we doubled our cap. We are a threat to the VFL or the WAFL, not the AFL.

The talk was about if there was NO CAP AT ALL in the SANFL
It like no player would give up the oppurtunity to play SANFL and go play in the middle of now where for an extra couple hundred dollars.

I think people get abit carried away with how they idolise their footballers. There is no doubt that if the SANFL had no salary cap and the richer teams such as Central or North COULD offer AFL guys 60-70k to play part-time there would be more than a few takers.

As much as people hate to admit it, not all players play for the love of the game, or the guernsey but nothing more than money.

[Dutchy]

You have to have a Salary Cap if you want a competition...simple

Agree Dutchy. Even the EPL in the UK are discussing the possibility of introducing a salary cap as the comp has gone crazy.

No salary cap means no comp. you end up with a Man U, Chelsea situation.

or even worse the SPL

[am Bays]

One positive from this thread,

after the bays had more success this year, this thread was started by a Westies supporter instead of one of the Bays suporters as we had become acustomed to the past few years.

Bzzt guess again

Do a search of salary cap threads (salary cap in title on SANFL board) and you'll find nine started by North supporters, three by centrals supporters, three by Glenelg supporters, two by Sturt, two by West and one by south (assuming I've all posters teams right)....

Seems like north supporters are the ones most preoccupied with the cap.....

[drebin]

What makes me laugh with Dash61 and R&B is that when North recruited Jimmy Allan he turned down a much larger offer from West Adelaide based on the more professional approach from North and the overall package we offered to him. West just spoke $$$ nothing about any off field stuff, relocation, family inclusions etc.

Given their claims that White and now Ackland would be on $80K each, you would assume based on their "accurate" maths that Allan and Alleway would be on $60k each, Archard who was touted as receiving a bucket load to get him from Echuca would be on say $50K, Trent Sporn would be on that given his AFL background being so there is another $50K, Younie would be on $40K. So there is $420K alone so we must be cheating to pay the rest of our list collectively!

I'm still waiting to see R&B back his statement about which North players are getting more than Cupido but most amusingly what fact he is going to back it up with?

[Hondo]

The talk was about if there was NO CAP AT ALL in the SANFL
It like no player would give up the oppurtunity to play SANFL and go play in the middle of now where for an extra couple hundred dollars.

I think people get abit carried away with how they idolise their footballers. There is no doubt that if the SANFL had no salary cap and the richer teams such as Central or North COULD offer AFL guys 60-70k to play part-time there would be more than a few takers.

If you are good enough to play AFL I'd guess they are on an average of say $150K

So you're saying a player like that will 1. move here, 2. find a job say earning $50K (?) and end up earning $120K. So basically they reduce their income all for the sake or training (say) 20 hours less per week? Would you train the extra 20 hours for the sake of $30-$200K more and NOT have to work at all?

Even if it became $60-70K it still won't attract AFL standard players. Yes, they'd be lining up from the VFL and WAFL so we'd decimate those comps and turn into the VFL of the 1980s which we all hated so much.

[Ian]

One positive from this thread,

after the bays had more success this year, this thread was started by a Westies supporter instead of one of the Bays suporters as we had become acustomed to the past few years.

Bzzt guess again

Do a search of salary cap threads (salary cap in title on SANFL board) and you'll find nine started by North supporters, three by centrals supporters, three by Glenelg supporters, two by Sturt, two by West and one by south (assuming I've all posters teams right)....

Seems like north supporters are the ones most preoccupied with the cap.....

North supporters starting threads about North alledgedly going over the cap

I was refering to Salary cap threads about North
Most times in the past North and the Cap were raised, Bays supporters had a fair bit of input

[stillnotout]

why are all these people on Norths back about the Salary cap surely all these other clubs that have cheated in past shouldnt be throwing stones

[spell_check]

why are all these people on Norths back about the Salary cap surely all these other clubs that have cheated in past shouldnt be throwing stones

It's probably safe to say that every club has gone over the cap, or done the paper bag deal to get around it, so open slather I say. (Within the rules of this site I might add)

[Squawk]

LOL Spelly.

Can you possibly compare "Cup runneth over" with "Keg runneth over" though?

[spell_check]

LOL Spelly.

Can you possibly compare "Cup runneth over" with "Keg runneth over" though?

I'm not sure a club would have done a deal with a player that involves ample amber beverages to entice them to their team. Did North do so for Grenville? Did Torrens do so?

[Squawk]

LOL Spelly.

Can you possibly compare "Cup runneth over" with "Keg runneth over" though?

I'm not sure a club would have done a deal with a player that involves ample amber beverages to entice them to their team. Did North do so for Grenville? Did Torrens do so?

Now you got me thinking.....could Coopers be enticing enough?

[spell_check]

LOL Spelly.

Can you possibly compare "Cup runneth over" with "Keg runneth over" though?

I'm not sure a club would have done a deal with a player that involves ample amber beverages to entice them to their team. Did North do so for Grenville? Did Torrens do so?

Now you got me thinking.....could Coopers be enticing enough?

That could be possible - a player is lured to Norwood simply because Coopers is the main sponsor. In fact, an interstate player could be lured to the Parade because the ground is named "Coopers Stadium".

[Squawk]

Jim Beam Arena?

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