When.....................Tim?

[Ronnie]

In fact Glenelg's poor showing has not much to do with the Crows. They actually coped pretty well when the Crows came in and rocked their boat.
Glenelg were very competitive into the mid 90s, after the arrival of the Crows.
Glenelg have been mediocre since about 1996, mainly because of some poor coaching appointments and apparent friction at Board level.
All home grown problems.

[RustyCage]

When the PAFC , est. 1870 moved to the AFL, the SANFL demanded a Magpies entity remain in the comp to make it still worth something. The Power initially refused to create a new club, so the SANFL compromised and decreed that both clubs would share the records from 1870 to 1996.

Now look into the mirror and say three times, "yes, I do believe in fairies!"

Um, are you trying to tell me this isn't what happened? If so, you know nothing about about what happened, and keep out of this topic.

[beenreal]

When the PAFC , est. 1870 moved to the AFL, the SANFL demanded a Magpies entity remain in the comp to make it still worth something. The Power initially refused to create a new club, so the SANFL compromised and decreed that both clubs would share the records from 1870 to 1996.

Now look into the mirror and say three times, "yes, I do believe in fairies!"

Your point being?

If you are disputing the SANFL's demand for a Port Adelaide presence in the competition, then you're wrong!

And if you are also disputing the SANFL's decree of a shared history between 1870 and 1996, then you're two from two.

[am Bays]

Ronnie, that argument would be understandable if impacts of 2nd clubs were instantaneous.

Port were pretty good when the Power first came in - 2 flags, hats off to them, it is only later that the impact is felt through loss of sponsorship and key personnel etc.

Nor am I that niave to think all of Glenelg's issues since 1991 should or could be attributed to the crows entry into the AFL. The club has had to TAGHLAO......

Now can we get back to bagging Timmy and Port....

[Pseudo]

keep out of this topic.

Request denied.

[smac]

When the PAFC , est. 1870 moved to the AFL, the SANFL demanded a Magpies entity remain in the comp to make it still worth something. The Power initially refused to create a new club, so the SANFL compromised and decreed that both clubs would share the records from 1870 to 1996.

Now look into the mirror and say three times, "yes, I do believe in fairies!"

Your point being?

If you are disputing the SANFL's demand for a Port Adelaide presence in the competition, then you're wrong!

And if you are also disputing the SANFL's decree of a shared history between 1870 and 1996, then you're two from two.

With your first post full of inaccuracies about another club, I'm not sure you can check-mark others information.

[beenreal]

Hmmm, let's see, inaccuracies. Well Port had the wood over Centrals in 2 Grand Finals during the 90's, so no inaccuracy there. I've been to the Pokie Palace Ponderosa, so that does exist.

So I guess you must take issue with copying the Port Adelaide model to achieve success. If you doubt, simply ask Kris Grant, he'll proudly admit it every time.

[smac]

Refer to my previous post, in reply to your initial post, then you will see the inaccuracies I speak of.

BTW, Welcome to the forums.

[beenreal]

Thanks for the welcome.

Now to business. My initial post mentioned 3 clubs; Central District, PAFC (Power) and PAMFC (Magpies). Since you don't seem to take issue with my comments about Centrals, then I can assume you have a problem with the facts about the clubs down Alberton way. Facts I know to be absolutely correct and verifiable through the SANFL.

However if there is indeed another matter that I've overlooked, feel free to spell it out. Slowly please, after all I am a Port supporter?

[smac]

Here you go then mate, this post from back over the page spelt it out in the first place...

You said Centrals had a massive pokie palace and related income in the 90's... Just needed to correct that as we managed to get to the top of the hill without the palace.

The palace is now on top of the hill, hopefully for a long time to come.

After so many failures, mainly against Port Adelaide, Central District became the SANFL powerhouse by copying us in the late 90's. And they did it built on the foundation of a massive "pokie palace" income.

When the PAFC , est. 1870 moved to the AFL, the SANFL demanded a Magpies entity remain in the comp to make it still worth something. The Power initially refused to create a new club, so the SANFL compromised and decreed that both clubs would share the records from 1870 to 1996.

Unlike Centrals (and some others), the Magpies have never had the above mentioned revenue stream, having to split all licensed club profits with the Power. And most important, Centrals' never had the guts ripped out of them by having to support an AFL entity. I'd bet that any lesser club, ie. all of them, would never have survived this scenario.

But don't you all worry, the Magpies will claw their way back to the top by doing things the Port Adelaide way, ie. better than all of them!

Centrals gaming facility was a construction zone the night of the 2000 premiership party. Income was certainly still an issue at that stage - it was good management (and copying Ports blueprint) that got us there.

The income generated by the poker machines has helped sustain success, no doubt - the facilities for the players are outstanding and we have been able to 'fill the cap' without concern. But to say we got there with cash is folly.

[beenreal]

I said the LATE 90's. And today's gaming facility may have been a construction site back in 2000 but there was still massive revenue being generated by alternative means (Pokies) into the Elizabeth Oval Football Department. Don't take it as a criticism, that's the kind of opportunities that should be maximised through good management, like Kris Grant etc.

It's taken us a while to get there but we're starting to reel you in down Alberton way

Hell, it's no secret that the Gowans boys came to SA to play with Port Adelaide, but got snipped because we couldn't compete with the financial package offered.

[drebin]

Hell, it's no secret that the Gowans boys came to SA to play with Port Adelaide, but got snipped because we couldn't compete with the financial package offered.

Hmm that's news to everyone (including the Gowans no doubt)! First I have ever heard of their names being linked to Port?

From what I know it was South Adelaide that invited the Gowans over and in the end decided they only wanted one of the twins (can't recall which one?) so they ended up at Centrals and the rest is history as they say. I'm sure there are many other posters on this forum that can verify that story.

[heater31]

Hell, it's no secret that the Gowans boys came to SA to play with Port Adelaide, but got snipped because we couldn't compete with the financial package offered.

Hmm that's news to everyone (including the Gowans no doubt)! First I have ever heard of their names being linked to Port?

From what I know it was South Adelaide that invited the Gowans over and in the end decided they only wanted one of the twins (can't recall which one?) so they ended up at Centrals and the rest is history as they say. I'm sure there are many other posters on this forum that can verify that story.

I was under the same impression too they went where they were both wanted

[StrayDog]

.... we're starting to reel you in down Alberton way.

Enough said?

[am Bays]

Hell, it's no secret that the Gowans boys came to SA to play with Port Adelaide, but got snipped because we couldn't compete with the financial package offered.

Hmm that's news to everyone (including the Gowans no doubt)! First I have ever heard of their names being linked to Port?

From what I know it was South Adelaide that invited the Gowans over and in the end decided they only wanted one of the twins (can't recall which one?) so they ended up at Centrals and the rest is history as they say. I'm sure there are many other posters on this forum that can verify that story.

I can't verify any story but a popular sledge on this site has been directed at Glenelg for only wanting one of teh Gowans and missing out on both.....

Gee having we wasted a few bytes on this site discussing the Gowan's.....

And, hasn't this thread gone....

[smac]

The club made the decision to expand the facilities to get income - the pokies were under performing prior to the expansion.

I'm not taking it as a criticism, I'm just correcting the inaccuracies in your information. The turnaround in Centrals fortunes began long before the late 90's. 94 & 97 we finished 3rd, 95 & 96 second - we were on our way well before any serious cash came into play.

As for reeling us in... We haven't often smashed your mob, so we never really reeled out - I think we just do what we have to in the games against the lesser clubs.

And every club has claimed the Gowans were on their way to them and Centrals beat them to it.

[beenreal]

Yes you may be right about a turnaround happening before the late 90's, but my post was about actually achieving success. And this only happened when the Centrals Board bit the bullet and decided to do things the Port Adelaide way. Now the opposite is happening and everyone is trying to do it Doggies style.

As for not smashing us? Not interested. A loss is still a loss, and just being competitive is unacceptable at Port Adelaide.

Reeling you in has more to do than just on field. When it comes to generating income, sponsorship and marketing, you are currently head and shoulders above everyone else. But the gap is narrowing!

Everyone claiming the Gowans? That's a credit to them. I'd have them in my team any day!

[smac]

The process started in 1991, under Alan Stewart. The Port blueprint was modelled in 1993, the start of his 3rd season as coach.

But we'd better let this thread get back on topic.

[JK]

I was told by our club that they were aware of the Gowans and had tried to sound them out, but they were only ever going to play with Daniel Healy if they came across.

[tigersupporter]

Why doesnt Port just copy Centrals blue print for success.................. :lol: