The never ending No AFL in the SANFL whinge thread

[bennymacca]

DOnt forget to get the SANFL annual licence fee properly valued by independent interstate valuers.


WAFL getting $400K, VFL clubs can earn over $1 mill for 3-4 year affiliations with AFL Clubs.


We get $50K.


YOu want to hurt these pricks.

Go for their hip pockets.


They say they we cant afford it well.... bugger ye orf cos thats the value.


Not hard.

thats 50k per club, right?

so the crows would be paying 350k a year?

does port also pay a fee?

surely the WA clubs arent getting 400k each?

[Spargo]

Port pay a fee?

[bennymacca]

Port pay a fee?

I was asking the question, as i genuinely didnt know.

dickhead

[UK Fan]

DOnt forget to get the SANFL annual licence fee properly valued by independent interstate valuers.


WAFL getting $400K, VFL clubs can earn over $1 mill for 3-4 year affiliations with AFL Clubs.


We get $50K.


YOu want to hurt these pricks.

Go for their hip pockets.


They say they we cant afford it well.... bugger ye orf cos thats the value.


Not hard.

thats 50k per club, right?

so the crows would be paying 350k a year?

does port also pay a fee?

surely the WA clubs arent getting 400k each?

The West Australian reported that a new deal had been proposed and accepted by the G7 clubs.
Under the deal an extra $120,000 will be paid to the clubs and the East Perth and Peel clubs will have no out of zone players.
Clubs will now receive $150,000 in cash and a further $120,000 in management grants.

WAFL clubs get $270K each.


SANFL get $50K a year plus $10K for marketing. Crows pay $400K ($50K times of the above.

Port pays nothing cos they killed off Port Magpies and took there spot via the merger many season ago.

I wonder why the SANFL didnt seek an independent valuation based on vfl/wafl models to seek the correct compensation for SANFL clubs whilst signing off on the agreement stating they had done due diligence.

I just cant figure it out.

[Spargo]

Port pay a fee?

I was asking the question, as i genuinely didnt know.

dickhead

I was actually laughing at the thought of port contributing a dividend to the SANFL, not at you Benny.
Lowering yourself to name calling now?

[bennymacca]

I was actually laughing at the thought of port contributing a dividend to the SANFL, not at you Benny.
Lowering yourself to name calling now?

sorry, the context wasnt clear

The West Australian reported that a new deal had been proposed and accepted by the G7 clubs.
Under the deal an extra $120,000 will be paid to the clubs and the East Perth and Peel clubs will have no out of zone players.
Clubs will now receive $150,000 in cash and a further $120,000 in management grants.

WAFL clubs get $270K each.


SANFL get $50K a year plus $10K for marketing. Crows pay $400K ($50K times of the above.

Port pays nothing cos they killed off Port Magpies and took there spot via the merger many season ago.

I wonder why the SANFL didnt seek an independent valuation based on vfl/wafl models to seek the correct compensation for SANFL clubs whilst signing off on the agreement stating they had done due diligence.

I just cant figure it out.

Thanks for that

certainly seems to me that at the very, very least port adelaide should be paying the same amount as the crows.

one thing i dont really get - the talk about a national reserves comp is that to run those teams would cost on the order of 300k a season or so - if the clubs are already paying this, why not just funnel that into that comp instead?

[cennals05]

There was a story on Channel 9 News on the 16/9/2015 regarding the AFL Reserves in the SANFL. It stated that the SANFL Commission will be deciding after the Grand Final whether there would be restrictions placed on how many players the Reserves could field in each game (they mentioned a maximum of 14) and also whether Port would retain their home games.

As member number <insert member number here> of <insert club here>, I would prefer if they were removed from the League entirely, however I believe these restrictions are a step in the right direction. Many SANFL supporters feel they were not listened to by their club with the initial vote. This has caused many to not renew their memberships and stop attending games. It is now time for the Clubs to show some loyalty back to their members and supporters. This is why I am asking that all Clubs let the Commission know that I support these changes being made.

I would also like the Clubs and the Commission to consider making the Port Adelaide Football Club pay the same fee as the Adelaide Football Club currently do. They have decided to become the Power Reserves, this no longer entitles them to consider themselves as a ‘Foundation’ club.

Crowds are down 13% this year and for all but one club (WWTFC) the Reserves sides have impacted negatively on crowd averages as shown in the table below. This shows that the Reserves sides are not attracting new supporters to the competition as promised. This is why it is imperative that the Clubs act now to try and recover those lost members and supporters that walked away from the competition when the Reserves were admitted.

Thank you
<insert name here>

[Booney]

I don't think that table helps at all.

Some of the differences are less than a handful of people. Hardly compelling numbers.

[cennals05]

I don't think that table helps at all.

Some of the differences are less than a handful of people. Hardly compelling numbers.

The point being made is that the Reserves have not provided an increase in crowd numbers as they said there would be, therefore the clubs need to try and re-engage those that have walked away from the comp.

[Apachebulldog]

My first option.

Boot the INTERLOPERS out of our comp.

However if the above never eventuates then

Second option.

Crows and Power play under same rules

1. 10 to 12 AFL players only

2. all games away games

3. increase payment to SANFL Clubs for the priviledge of playing in our comp

Two ways of doing this

1 A flat $200,000 for each SANFL Club from both the interlopers
or
Someone work out what the cost would be for a AFL reserves team to traipse around Australia to play in a AFL RESERVES comp

Say hypothetically it comes to x millions of Dollars then charge them half that amount for the privledge of playing in the SANFL.

In other words hit them in the hip pocket.

[Pseudo]

Port pays nothing cos they killed off Port Magpies and took there spot via the merger many season ago.

Port pays nothing because the SANFL lets it, pure and simple. The above statement is utter pap and can serve only to let the SANFL try and save face after what was a very, very stupid decision.

no pun intended

[LPH]

Port pay a fee?

Yeah, I laughed at that too!
I assume they haven't even paid back the 'Advance' on the AFL Dividends they recieved in 2011/12...
Pay a fee, yeah right

[morell]

Based on the attitudes of the supporters in this thread, I don't think it's ever going to work. If you're going to want to hamstring the teams so much that they can't compete or make money, then there really isn't any point. I do find it strange that Centrals roll to flag after flag after flag, Norwood win three in a row ... but now Port make the finals twice, and Adelaide have a couple of good wins and all of a sudden everyone is worried the AFL teams will dominate...?

As for Port Adelaide contributing financially to the SANFL. If Adelaide Oval revenue, AFL licence revenue (twice over), SANFL licence revenue, redistricting Port's junior zones and then a quite tidy TV deal isn't enough, then I question the entire sustainability of the competition.

Hopefully the AFL start up a legitimate reserves comp soon and the SANFL can be left to it's own devices.

[Jim05]

Based on the attitudes of the supporters in this thread, I don't think it's ever going to work. If you're going to want to hamstring the teams so much that they can't compete or make money, then there really isn't any point. I do find it strange that Centrals roll to flag after flag after flag, Norwood win three in a row ... but now Port make the finals twice, and Adelaide have a couple of good wins and all of a sudden everyone is worried the AFL teams will dominate...?

As for Port Adelaide contributing financially to the SANFL. If Adelaide Oval revenue, AFL licence revenue (twice over), SANFL licence revenue, redistricting Port's junior zones and then a quite tidy TV deal isn't enough, then I question the entire sustainability of the competition.

Hopefully the AFL start up a legitimate reserves comp soon and the SANFL can be left to it's own devices.

So how would you feel if a SANFL club was allowed to join the Ammos and retain their $400k salary cap whilst every other side in the comp has a $80k cap?
Id imagine most people in the ammos would be jumping up and down

[heater31]

Based on the attitudes of the supporters in this thread, I don't think it's ever going to work. If you're going to want to hamstring the teams so much that they can't compete or make money, then there really isn't any point. I do find it strange that Centrals roll to flag after flag after flag, Norwood win three in a row ... but now Port make the finals twice, and Adelaide have a couple of good wins and all of a sudden everyone is worried the AFL teams will dominate...?

As for Port Adelaide contributing financially to the SANFL. If Adelaide Oval revenue, AFL licence revenue (twice over), SANFL licence revenue, redistricting Port's junior zones and then a quite tidy TV deal isn't enough, then I question the entire sustainability of the competition.

Hopefully the AFL start up a legitimate reserves comp soon and the SANFL can be left to it's own devices.

So how would you feel if a SANFL club was allowed to join the Ammos and retain their $400k salary cap whilst every other side in the comp has a $80k cap?
Id imagine most people in the ammos would be jumping up and down

Add to that train 4 times a week with weights, skills and game plan meetings whilst the rest just train twice a week and show up on game day to play....

[morell]

If they didn't in any way dominate, I couldn't care less. Mate, I am from Mitchell Park, we compete against clubs with bigger budgets than us every year. Budget disparity happens in every division in the SAAFL.

If the AFL teams had steamrolled the comp ya'll would have a point. But, alas, they haven't, so you don't.

If you wanted to go down the "competition integrity" line, then again, AFL players have played major parts in Central and Norwood flags over the years, so really, the SANFL has been compromised for donkeys years.

[LPH]

Not to mention Medical Staff, Recovery Facilities & access to Full time Training...

As for the "Centrals & Norwood" comments - good, at least they were using the SAME conditions

[LPH]

If they didn't in any way dominate, I couldn't care less. Mate, I am from Mitchell Park, we compete against clubs with bigger budgets than us every year. Budget disparity happens in every division in the SAAFL.

If the AFL teams had steamrolled the comp ya'll would have a point. But, alas, they haven't, so you don't.

If you wanted to go down the "competition integrity" line, then again, AFL players have played major parts in Central and Norwood flags over the years, so really, the SANFL has been compromised for donkeys years.

Who DEVELOPED the majority of them?
Don't they deserve that contribution?

[UK Fan]

If they didn't in any way dominate, I couldn't care less. Mate, I am from Mitchell Park, we compete against clubs with bigger budgets than us every year. Budget disparity happens in every division in the SAAFL.

If the AFL teams had steamrolled the comp ya'll would have a point. But, alas, they haven't, so you don't.

If you wanted to go down the "competition integrity" line, then again, AFL players have played major parts in Central and Norwood flags over the years, so really, the SANFL has been compromised for donkeys years.

Just to clarify your comments.

Im a Port fan.
Port want this.
Im a sheep and cant think for myself
So I support what PAFC does.

Heres a 3 second puss weak justification to support my clubs stance.


Appreciate your input Booney II.

Do the rest of SA football a favor and make like Tony Abbott.

[morell]

Who developed and honed their skills to become more than ordinary SANFL players?

How can you on one hand claim the SANFL is compromised because two teams that haven't at all set the world on fire are part of it - but then claim the MULTIPLE FLAGS won by teams that had a large proportion of AFL trained players contribute to them - including AFL players that have had nothing to do with those clubs as juniors - is not "compromised".

If anything, I would have thought staunch SANFL fans would prefer the comprised teams to be limited to two, rather than every team. On GF day this season you know its going to be 100% SANFL club Vs 100% SANFL club. Much better IMO.