FOXTEL Cup Results - ON FIELD DISCUSSION

[eaglehaslanded]

See what happens when the true top 3 teams of the SANFL choose not to participate. No SANFL representation in the Final. Don't know why we expected any different when we have the 6th, 7th and 8th ranked teams representing our competition.

[sjt]

Claremont and Williamstown are both right in the mix to win their respective leagues, and 1 will be Foxtel Cup champion, so the best side outside the AFL comp will be a fitting title.

Oh, sorry, I didn't know the SANFL was part of the AFL.

"Maybe best of the teams outside the AFL in 2010, and best of three of the botton four sides from the SANFL", but that may prove to long a title.

[PhilH]

For once my personal thoughts concur with TSG.

The Foxtel Cup is clearly the only opportunity on the field to decide who is the best state league team.

Central, Norwood, Eagles, Glenelg, Sturt were not interested in competing for that title this year

They thought being SANFL premier was more important and competing in the Foxtel Cup could detract / disavantage them from meeting that goal. (No opinion if that is right of wrong just the fact of the matter.)


The winner of Williamstown v Claremont, having competed and having beaten all teams put before them (Swan Districts in Perth, Clarence in Hobart, West Adelaide in Adelaide, Northern Bullants in Gold Coast, East Perth & Port Adelaide) can rightfully claim that title.

Those who decided not to compete really have no say on the matter.

[Zathrus]

I would have liked to have seen Centrals have a crack at the Foxtel Cup, but I have faith that the heirachy of the club did what they thought was the best thing for the club and I have no problems with that.

Having said that, good on Port, Westies and North for having a go.

Considering where West are now, do you think they might have appreciated having that bye

[Dogwatcher]

Z, I concur with your first two paragraphs.

[CENTURION]

Z, I concur with your first two paragraphs.

yes.

[JK]

How can it be "zilch interest" when at least 3 clubs supporters are very interested? Very arrogant if you think because Centrals didn't participate, no one was interested.

exactly... arrogance!

but maybe it didn't suit centrals... maybe they just wanted to concentrate on another SANFL flag...

I dunno about the other posters here, but if my club had dominated the SANFL for a decade then I'd actually like to see them try to benchmark that success on a national stage... I know my club tried to do that in 1990...

I just think they weren't prepared to put their balls on the line.

Nope, different to me. I'd rather they try to win another SANFL flag, the reason they compete. I didn't give a stuff about "benchmarking", comparisons or any other irrelevant games. I would have thought your team would be more concerned on performing in the competition they play in. So what if they could beat Claremont, or whoever another team was, isn't it more important to beat Norwood and the sides they compete against for the whole football year? Look at the ladder if you want a comparison. They played North in one game, that would have been a rewarding "benchmark" game. The clubs gave their reasons, nothing to do "with balls on the line'. I notice where the clubs are currently that didn't participate.
It would be like saying to the years Premier you play against whatever AFL team has the bye when you have the bye. It will be interesting to see how you compete. Why would they bother?
I guess if Port had actually made it to the final and won, and finished the SANFL season in their current sixth position, at least they'd have something to be happy about. Fair enough if your team hasn't been good in one league try to win something else. I'll concede in some cases they may deem participation has no detrimental affect to their SANFL performance.
It will be interesting to see if offered, if the same clubs would participate again next year.

If you and your club are prepared to perennially compare yourselves with nothing more than the competition you play in, that's your perogative.

Personally I'm thankful both I and my club have higher aspirations.

Like trying to actually qualify for a spot rather than hope it's gifted to you?

[sjt]

How can it be "zilch interest" when at least 3 clubs supporters are very interested? Very arrogant if you think because Centrals didn't participate, no one was interested.

exactly... arrogance!

but maybe it didn't suit centrals... maybe they just wanted to concentrate on another SANFL flag...

I dunno about the other posters here, but if my club had dominated the SANFL for a decade then I'd actually like to see them try to benchmark that success on a national stage... I know my club tried to do that in 1990...

I just think they weren't prepared to put their balls on the line.

Nope, different to me. I'd rather they try to win another SANFL flag, the reason they compete. I didn't give a stuff about "benchmarking", comparisons or any other irrelevant games. I would have thought your team would be more concerned on performing in the competition they play in. So what if they could beat Claremont, or whoever another team was, isn't it more important to beat Norwood and the sides they compete against for the whole football year? Look at the ladder if you want a comparison. They played North in one game, that would have been a rewarding "benchmark" game. The clubs gave their reasons, nothing to do "with balls on the line'. I notice where the clubs are currently that didn't participate.
It would be like saying to the years Premier you play against whatever AFL team has the bye when you have the bye. It will be interesting to see how you compete. Why would they bother?
I guess if Port had actually made it to the final and won, and finished the SANFL season in their current sixth position, at least they'd have something to be happy about. Fair enough if your team hasn't been good in one league try to win something else. I'll concede in some cases they may deem participation has no detrimental affect to their SANFL performance.
It will be interesting to see if offered, if the same clubs would participate again next year.

If you and your club are prepared to perennially compare yourselves with nothing more than the competition you play in, that's your perogative.

Personally I'm thankful both I and my club have higher aspirations.

Well then pity your supporters, for the previous 120 years, when they were happy to compare themselves with "nothing more than the competition" they played in.
If I want to follow an AFL side, I'll follow an AFL side.
Personally I'm thankful both I, and my club (to my knowledge) has no AFL aspirations.

[Big Phil]

Like trying to actually qualify for a spot rather than hope it's gifted to you?

Here here JK

[on the rails]

For once my personal thoughts concur with TSG.

The Foxtel Cup is clearly the only opportunity on the field to decide who is the best state league team.

Central, Norwood, Eagles, Glenelg, Sturt were not interested in competing for that title this year

They thought being SANFL premier was more important and competing in the Foxtel Cup could detract / disavantage them from meeting that goal. (No opinion if that is right of wrong just the fact of the matter.)


The winner of Williamstown v Claremont, having competed and having beaten all teams put before them (Swan Districts in Perth, Clarence in Hobart, West Adelaide in Adelaide, Northern Bullants in Gold Coast, East Perth & Port Adelaide) can rightfully claim that title.

Those who decided not to compete really have no say on the matter.

You might ask the question why (and it may be coincidental) but how was it that it happened to SA only that had 2 of it's competing teams drawn at the QF stage so one was guarenteed to be knocked out? Looking briefly at the draw, it could have been avoided but without breaking into conspiracy theories it wasn't?

[beenreal]

See what happens when the true top 3 teams of the SANFL choose not to participate. No SANFL representation in the Final. Don't know why we expected any different when we have the 6th, 7th and 8th ranked teams representing our competition.

So because your club chose not to enter the comp, you are sledging the clubs that did?

Pfft, Petty!

[PhilH]

Yes it guaranteed only a maximum of 2 sides from SA could get to the Semi Final stage
BUT ALSO
it virtually guaranteed one SANFL side would get to semi final if they could get past the "powerhouses" in East Coast and Labrador in the 1st Round.

[CUTTERMAN]

This is not a dig at the PAFC, nor am I trying to stir up any trouble for them. I would be interested to know how much (if anything) it has cost the PAFC to compete in this comp, would they be out of pocket, have they made money from it? The question is valid to North and West also but I'm asking it of Port as they went the deepest into the comp than the others.

[FlyingHigh]

For once my personal thoughts concur with TSG.

The Foxtel Cup is clearly the only opportunity on the field to decide who is the best state league team.

Central, Norwood, Eagles, Glenelg, Sturt were not interested in competing for that title this year

They thought being SANFL premier was more important and competing in the Foxtel Cup could detract / disavantage them from meeting that goal. (No opinion if that is right of wrong just the fact of the matter.)


The winner of Williamstown v Claremont, having competed and having beaten all teams put before them (Swan Districts in Perth, Clarence in Hobart, West Adelaide in Adelaide, Northern Bullants in Gold Coast, East Perth & Port Adelaide) can rightfully claim that title.

Those who decided not to compete really have no say on the matter.

Good comment Phil.
I'm happy and satisfied to trust the management of my club in their decision to be involved or not. However, I can't, after the event, deride those that have chosen to be involved and say that it doesn't prove anything. FWIW I still think Norwood and Centrals would knock off Claremont.

Sure, playing East Coast in Sydney and Claremont in front of 500 people might not compare to winning a flag in front of 30,000, but for some of these younger Port players the experience might be the highlight of their footy careers to date.

[CENTURION]

no it wouldn't be, they can play in S.A. every weekend in front of between 2,000 & 6,000 people, in the 2nd best competition in the country.

[Dogwatcher]

no it wouldn't be, they can play in S.A. every weekend in front of between 2,000 & 6,000 people, in the 2nd best competition in the country.

Wonder if you'll get any debate about that claim, good sir...

[Jim05]

Do find it hypocritical that the clubs who made the most noise about clubs not entering didnt take the comp seriously either. All 3 SANFL clubs rested players and fielded weakened sides when they could have gone all the way. Port especially annoys me because they claimed they wanted to win the comp but they send a ressies team over to Perth. If Summerton,Dolling and Maric played they would have beat Claremont and had a chance of hosting the Grand Final.

[The Sleeping Giant]

no it wouldn't be, they can play in S.A. every weekend in front of between 2,000 & 6,000 people, in the 2nd best competition in the country.

No national tv audience though.

[CENTURION]

Do find it hypocritical that the clubs who made the most noise about clubs not entering didnt take the comp seriously either. All 3 SANFL clubs rested players and fielded weakened sides when they could have gone all the way. Port especially annoys me because they claimed they wanted to win the comp but they send a ressies team over to Perth. If Summerton,Dolling and Maric played they would have beat Claremont and had a chance of hosting the Grand Final.

That also is an excellent point! You're either serious about winning or not!

[The Sleeping Giant]

Well I for one was very happy with North participating, and the way they used the Foxtel cup. Gave a heap of younger lads and fringe footballers a taste of senior footy, and a couple of them have grabbed their chance. The results of the 2 games after Norths Foxtel cup games were a narrow loss to Centrals at Elizabeth and a win against Glenelg. No harm at all. Hopefully, next year the 5-6 teams that finish above North decline to play in the comp again.