central put on notice

[Wedgie]

But the taunts have turned from "how many flags?" to "you're a feral piece of shit" and this will always incite some kind of reaction. The more truth in the taunt, the more violent the reaction. I think that is closer to the point being made above.

Not in all/most cases mate, once when I was a kid at Elizabeth I still to this day remember sitting on the GrandStand side and whilst only yelling things like support for my team with nothing directed at any supporters a bloke who would have been all of about 70 looking after his grand child sitting next to his wife (I assume) turned around and threatened to put a deck chair through my head, Ive also had a mate (just over 5 foot) followed to his car by 5-6 Central fans with no prior interaction with them who would have got bashed if his car was another 10 metres away.
Im just lucky Im a fairly big lad these days as I see small people cop it a lot more from these sorts who like to turn violent but thats typical of bullys.
I think this different sort of personal abuse turning into violence is a poor path to follow. Just get rid of any of the idiots that are violent full stop but to do that security will need to be improved and as mentioned before not just in quantity.
I know you can have Police patrol sporting grounds with a user pay system, it might be worth forking out the extra, Im not sure who pays for the cops who currently go to Centrals games but it'd be interested to see the cost difference v Weslo or a similar compnay.
Personally I'd rather have 6 police as opposed to 18 security guards or red coats.

I was at Norwood Oval the Friday Night beforehand and not incident even looked closed to occuring anywhere around the ground despite there being more people, make of that what you will.

[Grahaml]

I'd like to put the SANFL on notice. Surely the final responsibility lies with the SANFL. They have more resources than all the clubs combined, and they should be the ones who give the green light to security measures as the organising body of the comp. I was near the fight on Friday (couldn't see anything though) and the nearest security just stood back and watched. Then another guy came over and they stood and watched together. Great way to stop the fights. I don't recall hearing any 1 incident that was started, aggrovated and finished by the same group of supporters. In all instances it's been a bit of to-and-fro ing between groups that has led to it becoming physical. Perhaps the SANFL would do well to offer suggestions and assistance in what to do with this problem instead of making threats.

[Wedgie]

Agree about security Graham, as per my post above I think they should improve the quality at all grounds.
One Weslo bloke came up to the Grog Squad to ask them to stop swearing a few years back and they told him to **** off and he just walked away.
Similarly with the incident at Elizabeth Oval last year despite dragging a guy out of the ground (probably a 100m drag) they didnn't even include it in their written report to the CDFC.
Quality of security is laughable and seems to be worse ever since there's less competition in the market.
Pay the extra and get the cops in I say.

[JK]

I'd like to put the SANFL on notice. Surely the final responsibility lies with the SANFL. They have more resources than all the clubs combined, and they should be the ones who give the green light to security measures as the organising body of the comp. I was near the fight on Friday (couldn't see anything though) and the nearest security just stood back and watched. Then another guy came over and they stood and watched together. Great way to stop the fights. I don't recall hearing any 1 incident that was started, aggrovated and finished by the same group of supporters. In all instances it's been a bit of to-and-fro ing between groups that has led to it becoming physical. Perhaps the SANFL would do well to offer suggestions and assistance in what to do with this problem instead of making threats.

One of the best posts I've read, agree completely!!

[smac]

But the taunts have turned from "how many flags?" to "you're a feral piece of shit" and this will always incite some kind of reaction. The more truth in the taunt, the more violent the reaction. I think that is closer to the point being made above.

Not in all/most cases mate, once when I was a kid at Elizabeth I still to this day remember sitting on the GrandStand side and whilst only yelling things like support for my team with nothing directed at any supporters a bloke who would have been all of about 70 looking after his grand child sitting next to his wife (I assume) turned around and threatened to put a deck chair through my head, Ive also had a mate (just over 5 foot) followed to his car by 5-6 Central fans with no prior interaction with them who would have got bashed if his car was another 10 metres away.
Im just lucky Im a fairly big lad these days as I see small people cop it a lot more from these sorts who like to turn violent but thats typical of bullys.
I think this different sort of personal abuse turning into violence is a poor path to follow. Just get rid of any of the idiots that are violent full stop but to do that security will need to be improved and as mentioned before not just in quantity.
I know you can have Police patrol sporting grounds with a user pay system, it might be worth forking out the extra, Im not sure who pays for the cops who currently go to Centrals games but it'd be interested to see the cost difference v Weslo or a similar compnay.
Personally I'd rather have 6 police as opposed to 18 security guards or red coats.

I was at Norwood Oval the Friday Night beforehand and not incident even looked closed to occuring anywhere around the ground despite there being more people, make of that what you will.

I was at Norwood oval Friday night just gone and saw nothing, yet something happened!

Everyone could list 5 stories about any ground over the last 30 years too. I could talk about the Eagles supporter who took a swing at me whilst I sat in a deck chair with smac jr in my lap (smac jr aged 18 months at the time). I could also talk about the North supporters who kicked my car doors in after a game at Prospect only 3 years ago (I saw it happening as I turned the street corner - the last time I had my clubs stickers on the car). The list is endless.

I think we agree on the security issue, but would love you to stand with me at a game and listen to the comments. Not making excuses, but the comments certainly are inflamatory and not called for. If these comments were to stop, I am sure the violence would decrease. Never once have I said we are not responsible, only that we aren't the only ones who are.

[Grahaml]

Cheers, Connie. Just wish people would be as quick to help as they are to snipe (hello KG and Cornes....). 10 cops apparently at HHO Saturday. Will be VERY intersting to see whether anyone tries anything.

[Wedgie]

I was at Norwood oval Friday night just gone and saw nothing, yet something happened!

Everyone could list 5 stories about any ground over the last 30 years too. I could talk about the Eagles supporter who took a swing at me whilst I sat in a deck chair with smac jr in my lap (smac jr aged 18 months at the time). I could also talk about the North supporters who kicked my car doors in after a game at Prospect only 3 years ago (I saw it happening as I turned the street corner - the last time I had my clubs stickers on the car). The list is endless.

I think we agree on the security issue, but would love you to stand with me at a game and listen to the comments. Not making excuses, but the comments certainly are inflamatory and not called for. If these comments were to stop, I am sure the violence would decrease. Never once have I said we are not responsible, only that we aren't the only ones who are.

Yeah, I'll concede thats good points you make smac, must admit the only swing ever taken at me was also an Eagles supporter (he and his mates soon learnt a valuable lesson). Ive stood with many Centrals fans from this very forum who are as good a guys as you'd meet and Ive had a great time at the footy (Sam, Giffo, Bulldog Pommy, Apache, etc spring to mind - even Campbell didn't take a swing at me when we talked briefly at one game! )

The more I think of it is its an excessive alcohol issue which is more prevelent in lower socio economic areas, Ive seen a few incidents over the 25 + Ive been going to footy and all have had one thing in common and its not one supporter group its the fact that all involved people who were well and truly too drunk.
And having even said that most people can get too drunk (done it myself many a time) and still not turn violent where some can't.

I think if improved (and not necessarily more) security/police and education of bar staff is concentrated on it will go a long way to helping any problems.

[whufc]

common thought is that there should be more police, i totally agree i know there would be a substantial cost to the clubs but it is one of those things that just have to be done.

It is pretty obvious to most people where the hot spots at each ground are, so there is no exuse for the security/police to not already be situated at these sights.

[Dogwatcher]

SMAC - great post. Well written and very fair.
Facing reality - unlike some people who take a chance to just have another crack at the 'ferals' on these sort of threads without putting any real thought into their comments.

[Wedgie]

SMAC - great post. Well written and very fair.
Facing reality - unlike some people who take a chance to just have another crack at the 'ferals' on these sort of threads.

Disregard Stampy's post mate, I think most of us are trying very hard to try and find an intelligent way of facing the issue/s.

[doggies4eva]

The sad thing about all of this is that this is happening in the week preceding a major marketing iniative by the CDFC. Whether you like our team and club is not the point. The fact is, if CDFC can go anywhere near a crowd of 10,000 people it will be the biggest forward step that has happened since the Crows were formed. So how about you all stop this largely negative debate and get behind a positive initiative?

[JK]

The sad thing about all of this is that this is happening in the week preceding a major marketing iniative by the CDFC. Whether you like our team and club is not the point. The fact is, if CDFC can go anywhere near a crowd of 10,000 people it will be the biggest forward step that has happened since the Crows were formed. So how about you all stop this largely negative debate and get behind a positive initiative?

Sorry mate, not trying to impact on what the CDFC is trying to achieve this week, but I don't think a topic like this should be pushed to the back for anything ... There's a thread already in place to pump the game up for this weekend.

[Wedgie]

The sad thing about all of this is that this is happening in the week preceding a major marketing iniative by the CDFC. Whether you like our team and club is not the point. The fact is, if CDFC can go anywhere near a crowd of 10,000 people it will be the biggest forward step that has happened since the Crows were formed. So how about you all stop this largely negative debate and get behind a positive initiative?

Sorry mate, not trying to impact on what the CDFC is trying to achieve this week, but I don't think a topic like this should be pushed to the back for anything ... There's a thread already in place to pump the game up for this weekend.

Actually there's 2 threads in place to pump it:

http://safootycentral.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7712

http://safootycentral.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7416

With Sunday games bringing crowds down for 2007 it'd be great if something could give it a boost.

[doggies4eva]

The sad thing about all of this is that this is happening in the week preceding a major marketing iniative by the CDFC. Whether you like our team and club is not the point. The fact is, if CDFC can go anywhere near a crowd of 10,000 people it will be the biggest forward step that has happened since the Crows were formed. So how about you all stop this largely negative debate and get behind a positive initiative?

Sorry mate, not trying to impact on what the CDFC is trying to achieve this week, but I don't think a topic like this should be pushed to the back for anything ... There's a thread already in place to pump the game up for this weekend.

Actually there's 2 threads in place to pump it:

http://safootycentral.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7712

http://safootycentral.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7416

With Sunday games bringing crowds down for 2007 it'd be great if something could give it a boost.

So you'll be there then Wedgie?

[Wedgie]

So you'll be there then Wedgie?

Ummmmm, no.

Would be there with bells on normally but hoping for my new car to rock up this week so I can take it for a cruise into the country this weekend with North having the bye.

[doggies4eva]

So you'll be there then Wedgie?

Ummmmm, no.

Would be there with bells on normally but hoping for my new car to rock up this week so I can take it for a cruise into the country this weekend with North having the bye.

So you've got a life outside of football?

[Wedgie]

So you'll be there then Wedgie?

Ummmmm, no.

Would be there with bells on normally but hoping for my new car to rock up this week so I can take it for a cruise into the country this weekend with North having the bye.

So you've got a life outside of football?

he he, I know its suprising isn't it!

[Jar Man Out]

I have a solution. Legs fans if you lose and you are bitter about it. Dont ring up 5AA and blame fights evictions on the other set of fans to make yourself feel better. Even if that club is based in Elizabeth this is simply unacceptable behaviour.Im sure it was great the next morning having KG and Cornesy slapping you on the back praising your lies. Made you forget all about the previous nights ass whipping.

Do you see Centrals fan acting this way towards opposition. ???

Ill repeat one incident 7 people evicted in a crowd of 3850. Not even 0.2% of the crowd caused trouble. Security and SANFL are blameless.

Ill repeat security was less than half a metre away when it errupted . Less than 30 seconds later it was over and the 7 people evicted. What more could be done ???

[Dogwatcher]

Ill repeat security was less than half a metre away when it errupted . Less than 30 seconds later it was over and the 7 people evicted. What more could be done ???

That's not what other people are saying mate...

They're saying one security guy was there, he watched it, and another joined him and watched it...your thoughts?

[Wedgie]

If we want to re-hash exactly what happened and how long it went for I posted this previously on another thread but this is exactly what happened as told to me from a Centrals fan who I trust fully and wouldn't falsely blame anyone:

Was right next to the fight at Norwood on Friday night.
It happened directly in front of the Coopers Hill bar.
A Norwood supporter decided he wanted to offer some serious verbal and personal abuse of a Centrals supporter and then continued on for about a minute. A Centrals supporter went over to him and the tirade continued, the Centrals supporter gave him a swift kick in the leg and a minor scuffle occured involving about 8 people, a young Centrals supporter decided he wanted a cheap shot and hit a Norwood supporter drawing blood. The security guards managed to split the 2 parties and it simmered out. The Norwood supporter who was bleeding decided to go look for the young Centrals supporter with a few of his mates and located him in front of the bar. From here the Centrals supporter got pummelled and others became involved and it got pretty ugly as there were a couple of hot spots with lots of boots involved. The security guards finally stopped it and kicked out the Centrals supporters. I don't know if the Norwood supporters got kicked out. Two coppers arrived well after the event.
Saw a couple of the people involved at the Norwood Hotel and apparently the young Centrals supporter was not in too good of condition.
In the last quarter a group of Norwood supporters came and stood behind a group of Centrals supporters and started with the cheap verbal shots. These supporters were not there for the footy they were just there to cause trouble, lucky this one didn't explode as well.