SA Footy

RB wrote:Well we all know Ken Hinkley couldn't give a rat's tossbag whether the B grade win or not.

disagree with this comment, ken wants a winning culture throughout the club, as do all members.

interesting thread.

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:I hope you are right with the AFL reserves comp, but I cant see it happening in a long long time.

its amazing that the biggest sport in the country doesn't have its own reserves comp

I think everyone can agree that an AFL reserves competition is the best solution.

the problem with this, from a purely AFL point of view, is that their is an increased cost to them, with no extra benefit. extra cost comes from having twice as many teams travelling every week.

another issue - if you have a full reserves comp, do you expand the lists? do you still have topup players? to me it would make more sense to extend lists to maybe 50-55, which then brings about more costs etc. possibly could be offset by increased broadcasting of those games. but i doubt it.

kickinit wrote:Why are we all talking about how strong the MAGPIES and crows are? Before the start of the season all the talk was about how we didn't want to win.

because most detractors are having a bet each way and cannot form a coherent argument. most, not all.

Dols wrote:

RB wrote:Well we all know Ken Hinkley couldn't give a rat's tossbag whether the B grade win or not.

disagree with this comment, ken wants a winning culture throughout the club, as do all members.

this, but also the fact that the Port players playing in the SANFL are playing for their careers for the most part - they are doing everything they can to stay on an AFL list, and force their way into the senior team. So even if they try players in different positions etc, those players are still going to be busting their arse as they have higher goals in mind.

and no matter what the coach says, players dont like losing. the concept of a team "not trying" is irrelevant to this discussion imo.

kickinit wrote:Why are we all talking about how strong the MAGPIES and crows are? Before the start of the season all the talk was about how we didn't want to win.

You really don't seem to mind showing your complete lack of insight do you ? Or you just think sarcasm is extremely humorous or intelligent ?
Of course the players out on the field are trying to win BUT they have no control over the minutes they play, the position they play or the role they may be given.
Lets say the Power are playing a 12.40 game in Melbourne - 3 players in the first quarter go down with what could possibly be serious injuries; will the Coach
a) tell the reserves coach to pull the next three players out of the side due to play at 2.10 at Alberton
b) wait for the medical reports on Monday and hope he wont need those three from the Reserves next week

Of course its a) ergo the reserves side is not at full strength despite the 21 who actually play wanting to win, the football department are not honouring their commitment to "play to win" . Nothing to do with the players .

twosheds wrote:

kickinit wrote:Why are we all talking about how strong the MAGPIES and crows are? Before the start of the season all the talk was about how we didn't want to win.

You really don't seem to mind showing your complete lack of insight do you ? Or you just think sarcasm is extremely humorous or intelligent ?
Of course the players out on the field are trying to win BUT they have no control over the minutes they play, the position they play or the role they may be given.
Lets say the Power are playing a 12.40 game in Melbourne - 3 players in the first quarter go down with what could possibly be serious injuries; will the Coach
a) tell the reserves coach to pull the next three players out of the side due to play at 2.10 at Alberton
b) wait for the medical reports on Monday and hope he wont need those three from the Reserves next week

Of course its a) ergo the reserves side is not at full strength despite the 21 who actually play wanting to win, the football department are not honouring their commitment to "play to win" . Nothing to do with the players .

Queens Birthday game last year, both Jarryd Lyons from Glenelg and Matt Wright from North were withdrawn to play because Adelaide were playing the Friday Night (5 days later).

Not sure if I am trying to make a comparison or point out that it effected SANFL teams last year, either way, this stuff happens.

maxyoz wrote:

twosheds wrote:

kickinit wrote:Why are we all talking about how strong the MAGPIES and crows are? Before the start of the season all the talk was about how we didn't want to win.

You really don't seem to mind showing your complete lack of insight do you ? Or you just think sarcasm is extremely humorous or intelligent ?
Of course the players out on the field are trying to win BUT they have no control over the minutes they play, the position they play or the role they may be given.
Lets say the Power are playing a 12.40 game in Melbourne - 3 players in the first quarter go down with what could possibly be serious injuries; will the Coach
a) tell the reserves coach to pull the next three players out of the side due to play at 2.10 at Alberton
b) wait for the medical reports on Monday and hope he wont need those three from the Reserves next week

Of course its a) ergo the reserves side is not at full strength despite the 21 who actually play wanting to win, the football department are not honouring their commitment to "play to win" . Nothing to do with the players .

Queens Birthday game last year, both Jarryd Lyons from Glenelg and Matt Wright from North were withdrawn to play because Adelaide were playing the Friday Night (5 days later).

Not sure if I am trying to make a comparison or point out that it effected SANFL teams last year, either way, this stuff happens.

Good point, but aren't you confirming what Twosheds is saying in that the AFL club is not interested in the SANFL team only their own interests.

The fact that they now have their players under their own Reserve Squad umbrella is irrelevant as nothing has changed their interests are with the AFL side and it their SAN side.

What are North Adelaide more interested in, the success of their League side or success of their Reserves side?

Unfortunately at Glenelg, I think the interest is more in the Reserves side as they have been up top for 8 years now and then you can throw in the success of the Under 18's as well (and the Under 16's who beat North yesterday).

The dream of "success flowing through the club to League level" just has not come to fruition.

And reserves sides belong in a reserves competition. Then the complaints subside.

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maxyoz wrote:What are North Adelaide more interested in, the success of their League side or success of their Reserves side?

Unfortunately at Glenelg, I think the interest is more in the Reserves side as they have been up top for 8 years now and then you can throw in the success of the Under 18's as well (and the Under 16's who beat North yesterday).

The dream of "success flowing through the club to League level" just has not come to fruition.

North are interested I their league team and rightly so. That also stands true for any AFL club too.

The key difference is that North's reserve side plays in a reserve competition which is designed to support the league team. Both the AFL clubs reserve teams play in a national league competition which is of course the main cause of angst on this site.

kickinit wrote:Why are we all talking about how strong the MAGPIES and crows are? Before the start of the season all the talk was about how we didn't want to win.

I swear a heap of these posters are women. Complain about one thing and do a 180° turn to complain about the opposite.

Have you assessed the posters? It may be that there are multiple opinions being expressed by multiple people.

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bennymacca wrote:interesting thread.

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:I hope you are right with the AFL reserves comp, but I cant see it happening in a long long time.

its amazing that the biggest sport in the country doesn't have its own reserves comp

I think everyone can agree that an AFL reserves competition is the best solution.

the problem with this, from a purely AFL point of view, is that their is an increased cost to them, with no extra benefit. extra cost comes from having twice as many teams travelling every week.

another issue - if you have a full reserves comp, do you expand the lists? do you still have topup players? to me it would make more sense to extend lists to maybe 50-55, which then brings about more costs etc. possibly could be offset by increased broadcasting of those games. but i doubt it.

kickinit wrote:Why are we all talking about how strong the MAGPIES and crows are? Before the start of the season all the talk was about how we didn't want to win.

because most detractors are having a bet each way and cannot form a coherent argument. most, not all.

Dols wrote:

RB wrote:Well we all know Ken Hinkley couldn't give a rat's tossbag whether the B grade win or not.

disagree with this comment, ken wants a winning culture throughout the club, as do all members.

this, but also the fact that the Port players playing in the SANFL are playing for their careers for the most part - they are doing everything they can to stay on an AFL list, and force their way into the senior team. So even if they try players in different positions etc, those players are still going to be busting their arse as they have higher goals in mind.

and no matter what the coach says, players dont like losing. the concept of a team "not trying" is irrelevant to this discussion imo.

the extra benefit is playing in a competition where all the teams have the same ideas.

yes, playing lists will need to be expanded to allow for reserves teams

if clubs cant handle the financial burden, then relocate or die.

smac wrote:Have you assessed the posters? It may be that there are multiple opinions being expressed by multiple people.

It's multiple posters with similar opinions. Those who dare buck the trend are some sort of traitor or idiotic.

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:

bennymacca wrote:interesting thread.

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:I hope you are right with the AFL reserves comp, but I cant see it happening in a long long time.

its amazing that the biggest sport in the country doesn't have its own reserves comp

I think everyone can agree that an AFL reserves competition is the best solution.

the problem with this, from a purely AFL point of view, is that their is an increased cost to them, with no extra benefit. extra cost comes from having twice as many teams travelling every week.

another issue - if you have a full reserves comp, do you expand the lists? do you still have topup players? to me it would make more sense to extend lists to maybe 50-55, which then brings about more costs etc. possibly could be offset by increased broadcasting of those games. but i doubt it.

kickinit wrote:Why are we all talking about how strong the MAGPIES and crows are? Before the start of the season all the talk was about how we didn't want to win.

because most detractors are having a bet each way and cannot form a coherent argument. most, not all.

Dols wrote:

RB wrote:Well we all know Ken Hinkley couldn't give a rat's tossbag whether the B grade win or not.

disagree with this comment, ken wants a winning culture throughout the club, as do all members.

this, but also the fact that the Port players playing in the SANFL are playing for their careers for the most part - they are doing everything they can to stay on an AFL list, and force their way into the senior team. So even if they try players in different positions etc, those players are still going to be busting their arse as they have higher goals in mind.

and no matter what the coach says, players dont like losing. the concept of a team "not trying" is irrelevant to this discussion imo.

the extra benefit is playing in a competition where all the teams have the same ideas.

yes, playing lists will need to be expanded to allow for reserves teams

if clubs cant handle the financial burden, then relocate or die.

What about the benefit of all teams playing in a level playing field thats a good idea

What playing list to be expanded with what how does a SANFL club do that against the multi million dollar AFL CLUBS

What the financial burden relocate and die its the SANFL my friend not the AFL so piss off

You have no idea are you one that belongs to the two face and two scarf tribe ??????????

Apachebulldog wrote:What about the benefit of all teams playing in a level playing field thats a good idea

What playing list to be expanded with what how does a SANFL club do that against the multi million dollar AFL CLUBS

What the financial burden relocate and die its the SANFL my friend not the AFL so piss off

You have no idea are you one that belongs to the two face and two scarf tribe ??????????

Classy operator.

Booney wrote:

kickinit wrote:Why are we all talking about how strong the MAGPIES and crows are? Before the start of the season all the talk was about how we didn't want to win.

I swear a heap of these posters are women. Complain about one thing and do a 180° turn to complain about the opposite.

Booney wrote:

smac wrote:Have you assessed the posters? It may be that there are multiple opinions being expressed by multiple people.

It's multiple posters with similar opinions. Those who dare buck the trend are some sort of traitor or idiotic.

Not to mention occasionally sexist.

Booney wrote:

kickinit wrote:Why are we all talking about how strong the MAGPIES and crows are? Before the start of the season all the talk was about how we didn't want to win.

I swear a heap of these posters are women. Complain about one thing and do a 180° turn to complain about the opposite.

And wouldn't it be all the worse if the Port reserves were so strong that they won comfortably without even trying?
You miss some very obvious points these days Boon, good luck stirring the pot anyway.

Booney wrote:

kickinit wrote:Why are we all talking about how strong the MAGPIES and crows are? Before the start of the season all the talk was about how we didn't want to win.

I swear a heap of these posters are women. Complain about one thing and do a 180° turn to complain about the opposite.

Maybe.

But that's preferable to the blind adherance to the latest thought bubble out of Alberton.

therisingblues wrote:

Booney wrote:

kickinit wrote:Why are we all talking about how strong the MAGPIES and crows are? Before the start of the season all the talk was about how we didn't want to win.

I swear a heap of these posters are women. Complain about one thing and do a 180° turn to complain about the opposite.

And wouldn't it be all the worse if the Port reserves were so strong that they won comfortably without even trying?
You miss some very obvious points these days Boon, good luck stirring the pot anyway.

"Miss some very obvious points"....hardly, when the point has been made several hundred times in numerous threads.

Apachebulldog wrote:

mighty_tiger_79 wrote:

bennymacca wrote:interesting thread.

I think everyone can agree that an AFL reserves competition is the best solution.

the problem with this, from a purely AFL point of view, is that their is an increased cost to them, with no extra benefit. extra cost comes from having twice as many teams travelling every week.

another issue - if you have a full reserves comp, do you expand the lists? do you still have topup players? to me it would make more sense to extend lists to maybe 50-55, which then brings about more costs etc. possibly could be offset by increased broadcasting of those games. but i doubt it.

because most detractors are having a bet each way and cannot form a coherent argument. most, not all.

this, but also the fact that the Port players playing in the SANFL are playing for their careers for the most part - they are doing everything they can to stay on an AFL list, and force their way into the senior team. So even if they try players in different positions etc, those players are still going to be busting their arse as they have higher goals in mind.

and no matter what the coach says, players dont like losing. the concept of a team "not trying" is irrelevant to this discussion imo.

the extra benefit is playing in a competition where all the teams have the same ideas.

yes, playing lists will need to be expanded to allow for reserves teams

if clubs cant handle the financial burden, then relocate or die.

What about the benefit of all teams playing in a level playing field thats a good idea

What playing list to be expanded with what how does a SANFL club do that against the multi million dollar AFL CLUBS

What the financial burden relocate and die its the SANFL my friend not the AFL so piss off

You have no idea are you one that belongs to the two face and two scarf tribe ??????????

Er... I think you are confused mate. He wasnt talking about SANFL clubs, but afl clubs. Read it again

Yeah Jimmy i think ya right misread it but anyhow they can still piss off to the VFL !!!!