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Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Sat Jan 18, 2014 1:00 pmby am Bays
Wedgie wrote:There's no use in talking about AFL reserves, Australian Footy has too many players to make it economical and the fact the AFL don't want games on the grounds before games makes it impossible again.
It really is no use talking about.
The pathetic low level A League doesn't even have games on their grounds beforehand.
That there is the biggest reason why there wont be an AFL reserves competition as for it to be economically viable with respect to support staff travelling both teams have to play at the same venue when they fly interstate.
To save the two grounds in Melbourne being overused no way will they allow a doubling of games on those venues via an AFL Reserves competition.
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Sat Jan 18, 2014 2:43 pmby stan
Wedgie wrote:There's no use in talking about AFL reserves, Australian Footy has too many players to make it economical and the fact the AFL don't want games on the grounds before games makes it impossible again.
It really is no use talking about.
The pathetic low level A League doesn't even have games on their grounds beforehand.
Your right its no use talking about it. Probably still get another 5 pages out of it.
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Sun Jan 19, 2014 3:43 pmby Ecky
I believe the NFL (American Football) doesn't have any reserves competition and players who don't play on any given week simply don't play at all. Can anyone confirm this?
It would be interesting to get the perspective from someone in the NFL as to why they presumably aren't fussed if their backup players aren't playing serious games at all. I doubt it would happen but maybe the AFL could evolve in the same way?
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:18 pmby PhilH
Re NFL -
For starters a lot of the 45 man squad get to play on game day.
Whilst there are only 11 on the field its a separate starting 11 for offences, 11 for defence and a few for special teams (kicker, long snapper, punter).
Then within each unit players come on and off for specific game situations.
ie 5 wide receivers probably rotate around, defences can be more lineman focused on short goal line stands or more defensive backs if a long yardage play.
Only a few won't normally play, the 2 back up quarterbacks (teams usually have 3 on their list) and possibly the lowest ranked player on the "depth chart" for each position. Injuries (of which there are many) can change that in an instant.
Those lesser used players PLUS those on the "practice squad" (not on the official list but assist at trainings) get used a lot at full contact practices during the week mainly as the "opponents" for the starters to practice against.
In essence NFL had a developmental league called NFL Europe which folded a few years back, a very select few come from minor Pro leagues, Arena Football or Canadian Football.
The main development pool is college players (There are approx 130 major colleges and hundreds more at a minor level).
With only 32 NFL teams, only a small pct of college players get drafted, leaving a huge pool of undrafted players waiting for a call.
Those drafted and many "free agents" fight for the few spots at training camp
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Sun Jan 19, 2014 4:28 pmby PhilH
It is also a very different culture in American Football where playing is a privilege not a right.
Ie Once you qualify to join the team you need to earn through practices the right to be higher on the depth chart and then a "starter"
In this culture the development comes through practices and coaching during the week, not playing games at a lower grade level.
This starts in high school through college then the NFL.
It does NOT translate well to Australian Gridiron where guys who pay to be part of the team expect to play
... so local squads are rarely above 30 players.
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Sun Jan 19, 2014 6:08 pmby Wedgie
Interesting info Phil, thanks for that.
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Mon Jan 20, 2014 3:51 pmby Ecky
Thanks Phil,
I guess the older age of NFL draftees mean that more of their developmental years happen while in the College system too.
So how long before someone from AFL House goes on a junket to America and comes back praising the NFL system of no reserves teams at all, ignoring the other differences in culture and development leagues etc, and that will become the next flavour of the month?
No more flawed than the current logic of "Geelong have reserves teams and won premierships so we must have them too"!
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Mon Jan 20, 2014 5:50 pmby PhilH
Personally the next possible step that REALLY worries me is a mid season draft
ie where some of your star state league players can get drafted in the middle of the season, at moments notice, (with jobs or studies) move interstate and then more than likely still end up playing the rest of the season playing for their reserves side in a state league. All because a team might be a injury/depth issue for a specific position not covered in the AFL sides current senior or rookie list.
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:44 pmby robranisgod
PhilH wrote:Personally the next possible step that REALLY worries me is a mid season draft
ie where some of your star state league players can get drafted in the middle of the season, at a moments notice, (with jobs or studies) move interstate and then more than likely still end up playing the rest of the season playing for their reserves side in a state league. All because a team might be a injury/depth issue for a specific position not covered in the AFL sides current senior or rookie list.
That happened about 20 years ago with Tony Lynn of Central who was drafted to Carlton mid season and left Central. Tim Perkins and Rod Saunders were both also drafted by interstate clubs mid season, but luckily for North they chose not to leave.
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Mon Jan 20, 2014 6:46 pmby Pseudo
PhilH wrote:Personally the next possible step that REALLY worries me is a mid season draft
ie where some of your star state league players can get drafted in the middle of the season, at moments notice, (with jobs or studies) move interstate and then more than likely still end up playing the rest of the season playing for their reserves side in a state league. All because a team might be a injury/depth issue for a specific position not covered in the AFL sides current senior or rookie list.
Tony Lynn says hello.
(edit) Bugger, sometimes it pays to finish the thread before you hit reply! Good work RIG.
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Mon Jan 20, 2014 8:02 pmby kickinit
Ecky wrote:Thanks Phil,
I guess the older age of NFL draftees mean that more of their developmental years happen while in the College system too.
So how long before someone from AFL House goes on a junket to America and comes back praising the NFL system of no reserves teams at all, ignoring the other differences in culture and development leagues etc, and that will become the next flavour of the month?No more flawed than the current logic of "Geelong have reserves teams and won premierships so we must have them too"!
Won't happen. The NFL is a slow paced game compared to AFL. It's a stop start game were the players get a rest at the end of each play. "match fitness" isn't a real issue in the NFL compared to the AFL, hence why the teams aren't concerned if a play misses a few weeks of not.
NBA still has a reserves comp (d-league). It is used pretty much how our system works, rookies and players not good enough, filled with other players not signed by a NBA team.
With how much fitness is involved with the AFL I don't think we would ever see not having a "reserves team". players would struggle too much to get match fitness having weeks on the side lines.
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:01 pmby stan
In danger of perhaps posting something related to football, but does anyone have a list of who Port have as there top up players?
Considering the players we have lost over the summer I am starting to wonder. Round 1 could very well be a tough contest depending on the number of injuries the power have. If they get through the NAB cup with minimal injuries they could have anything ready for round 1.
Of course thats only if we were going to talk football.........
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Mon Jan 20, 2014 9:38 pmby PhilH
It was football ... American Football
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Tue Jan 21, 2014 6:48 amby Mr Beefy
stan wrote:In danger of perhaps posting something related to football, but does anyone have a list of who Port have as there top up players?
Considering the players we have lost over the summer I am starting to wonder. Round 1 could very well be a tough contest depending on the number of injuries the power have. If they get through the NAB cup with minimal injuries they could have anything ready for round 1.
Of course thats only if we were going to talk football.........
http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/sanfl/players
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Tue Jan 21, 2014 9:15 amby beenreal
stan wrote:In danger of perhaps posting something related to football, but does anyone have a list of who Port have as there top up players?
Or you could simply visit the "Official Ins & Outs" page for a concise listing of Port Adelaide list changes?
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:05 pmby stan
beenreal wrote:stan wrote:In danger of perhaps posting something related to football, but does anyone have a list of who Port have as there top up players?
Or you could simply visit the "Official Ins & Outs" page for a concise listing of Port Adelaide list changes?
Lol yeah mate should have just gone there first.
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:16 pmby beenreal
stan wrote:beenreal wrote:stan wrote:In danger of perhaps posting something related to football, but does anyone have a list of who Port have as there top up players?
Or you could simply visit the "Official Ins & Outs" page for a concise listing of Port Adelaide list changes?
Lol yeah mate should have just gone there first.
I was being sarcastic, because it gives you nothing. The mod/admin who wrote the Port Adelaide listing has done so as a total demonstration of pathetic pettiness.
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:21 pmby RB
PORT MAGPIES:
INS: Gray, Raikiwasa (+ all Power listed players)
OUTS: Ken McGregor (Senior Coach), Kory Beard (Sturt), Zane Kirkwood (Sturt), Corey Grove (North), Adam Barnes (North), Tom Sandercock (North), Sean Lemmens (Gold Coast), Luke Reynolds (Carlton),
What's so pathetic about that?
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:33 pmby Booney
RB wrote:PORT MAGPIES:
INS: Gray, Raikiwasa (+ all Power listed players)
OUTS: Ken McGregor (Senior Coach), Kory Beard (Sturt), Zane Kirkwood (Sturt), Corey Grove (North), Adam Barnes (North), Tom Sandercock (North), Sean Lemmens (Gold Coast), Luke Reynolds (Carlton),
What's so pathetic about that?
Well, Gray and Raikiwasa played there last year. So did Summerton and Robbie Young, etc.
Re: The Magpies Are Now The AFL Power Reserves
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Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:45 pmby Wedgie
Big Phil who is neither an Admin it Mod usually updates it but I think he's been a bit busiesr than usual recently so if someone wants to pm me a list of the players the Power Reserves have recruited I'll get to it tonight, if I don't get a pm I'll just rely on what people have posted in the topic. I kicked it off last year to help BP but could only go on the available information at the time which is usually posts of the supporters from the clubs with the news.