robert shirley

[Mark_Beswick]

I think its time to let the tribunal take its natural course of action. I always look forward to Eagle West Games. I find that our respective supporters get on well as do the players in the main. It would be sad if this one-off out of character incident spoils what has been a great yet griendly rivalry between players, clubs and supporters. Bring on the State Clash and Rd 9 > time to move on

go the Bloods

[dedja]

The incident was shown on CH9 news tonight ... I believe there is a reply of the news at midnight for those that missed it.

[Hopeful Jelly]

I was too far away from the tackle to make a comment on what happened with either but it sounds like a bit of a brain fade from a normally fair player similar to Bickley's hit on Wakelin many years ago.

As I didn't see the incident too well and given Shirley's normally fair nature, I would have initially thought that the positioning of the tackle may have played a part in the incident (eg. tackling low from front on and the player falling head-first over the top of the tackler). From the other posts though it seems this isn't the case so I'll be interested to watch the Channel 9 news repeat to see it.

Regarding the bump on Daniel in the 4th quarter, I was surprised that he was stretchered off and didn't seem to go thru the interchange gate, but was then allowed back on 5 minutes later. I know a few years ago there was a rule introduced (maybe just for AFL) that required the stretchered player to stay off the ground for a set amount of time - mainly to avoid teams using a stretcher to stop momentum of the opposition and delay play whilst a player with a minor injury left the field without being one man down for a couple of minutes.

[Pseudo]

The incident was shown on CH9 news tonight ... I believe there is a reply of the news at midnight for those that missed it.

Only because the incident involved an AFL player. That fact is a sizeable peeve in and of itself.

[redandblack]

I was too far away from the tackle to make a comment on what happened with either but it sounds like a bit of a brain fade from a normally fair player similar to Bickley's hit on Wakelin many years ago.

As I didn't see the incident too well and given Shirley's normally fair nature, I would have initially thought that the positioning of the tackle may have played a part in the incident (eg. tackling low from front on and the player falling head-first over the top of the tackler). From the other posts though it seems this isn't the case so I'll be interested to watch the Channel 9 news repeat to see it.

Regarding the bump on Daniel in the 4th quarter, I was surprised that he was stretchered off and didn't seem to go thru the interchange gate, but was then allowed back on 5 minutes later. I know a few years ago there was a rule introduced (maybe just for AFL) that required the stretchered player to stay off the ground for a set amount of time - mainly to avoid teams using a stretcher to stop momentum of the opposition and delay play whilst a player with a minor injury left the field without being one man down for a couple of minutes.

I was also surprised. I have to say that I'm not sure what the rule is now, but I remember about three years ago taking a player from the field at Richmond on a stretcher just before half-time and having the interchange steward rule that the player couldn't come back on for a set period of time which was well into the third quarter.

As for the Shirley incident, the video confirms my original description of it. It seemed an almost separate action after the original tackle.

[bayman]

For all of "baymans" hysteria, Im tipping the very maximum Shirley would get is 3 games but in all honesty will probably get 1 or 2 depending on varying evidence, history etc

G were you there ? or have you seen it ?

it was disgraceful, i think it is more a case of you just wanting to have a little snipe at me as per usual

[dedja]

The incident was shown on CH9 news tonight ... I believe there is a reply of the news at midnight for those that missed it.

@*%# !!!

The Ch9 guide has the news replay at midnight but they played a national late news instead ... sorry for the (unintended) bad advice.

[Wedgie]

When Shirley implemented this tackle did he have an arm between the West player's legs?

(I know the question might sound humerous to some but its an important factor when spear tackles are judged in League)

[Brodlach]

When Shirley implemented this tackle did he have an arm between the West player's legs?

(I know the question might sound humerous to some but its an important factor when spear tackles are judged in League)

No he didnt Wedgie, he had both arms around Fischer. Fischers arms were pinned so that his hands could not brace the impact therefore landing on his neck/head. Not saying it was intentional, but it was a low act.

[Wedgie]

When Shirley implemented this tackle did he have an arm between the West player's legs?

(I know the question might sound humerous to some but its an important factor when spear tackles are judged in League)

No he didnt Wedgie, he had both arms around Fischer. Fischers arms were pinned so that his hands could not brace the impact therefore landing on his neck/head. Not saying it was intentional, but it was a low act.

Cheers for that, doesn't sound like a spear tackle then.
It'd be nigh on impossible to spear tackle someone if you pin both of their arms.
The worst spear tackle in League is when a player is grabbed between his legs and turned over.

[Big Phil]

When Shirley implemented this tackle did he have an arm between the West player's legs?

(I know the question might sound humerous to some but its an important factor when spear tackles are judged in League)

No he didnt Wedgie, he had both arms around Fischer. Fischers arms were pinned so that his hands could not brace the impact therefore landing on his neck/head. Not saying it was intentional, but it was a low act.

Cheers for that, doesn't sound like a spear tackle then.
It'd be nigh on impossible to spear tackle someone if you pin both of their arms.
The worst spear tackle in League is when a player is grabbed between his legs and turned over.

Yeah, but having seen the footage myself 3 or 4 times now, it was as close to a spear tackle as you would get...

I know what you're saying about the arm underneath the legs and "pile driving" them into the ground rugby style but it was still pretty similar to that.

I think the thing that didn't help the matter is that young Fisher is probably 75kg dripping wet and being a bigger, stroger AFL body, Shirley was able to wrap both arms up and literally pick him up them kind of turn him over with forward momentum and forced Fisher into the deck head first.

I think it was pretty bad and wouldn't be suprised if Shirley gets between 3 and 5 weeks which would seem about right IMHO.

[nickname]

Cheers for that, doesn't sound like a spear tackle then.
It'd be nigh on impossible to spear tackle someone if you pin both of their arms.
The worst spear tackle in League is when a player is grabbed between his legs and turned over.

It's not nigh on impossible as the vision clearly shows, as does the fact it was done 3 times last Saturday in the same manner. The players were lifted, tipped over and driven head first into the ground. It's simply a matter of strength.

[ca]

When Shirley implemented this tackle did he have an arm between the West player's legs?

(I know the question might sound humerous to some but its an important factor when spear tackles are judged in League)

No he didnt Wedgie, he had both arms around Fischer. Fischers arms were pinned so that his hands could not brace the impact therefore landing on his neck/head. Not saying it was intentional, but it was a low act.

Cheers for that, doesn't sound like a spear tackle then.
It'd be nigh on impossible to spear tackle someone if you pin both of their arms.
The worst spear tackle in League is when a player is grabbed between his legs and turned over.

Yeah, but having seen the footage myself 3 or 4 times now, it was as close to a spear tackle as you would get...

I know what you're saying about the arm underneath the legs and "pile driving" them into the ground rugby style but it was still pretty similar to that.

I think the thing that didn't help the matter is that young Fisher is probably 75kg dripping wet and being a bigger, stroger AFL body, Shirley was able to wrap both arms up and literally pick him up them kind of turn him over with forward momentum and forced Fisher into the deck head first.

I think it was pretty bad and wouldn't be suprised if Shirley gets between 3 and 5 weeks which would seem about right IMHO.

I think you have touched on a good point regarding the different in body size and what Shirley is used to. Not making an excuse but I think it was a contributing factor.

[Brodlach]

Shirley is not that much bigger, if at all....I find that point almost irrelevant.

[Big Phil]

Shirley is not that much bigger, if at all....I find that point almost irrelevant.

I never said it was relevant to what Shirley actually did as a justification or means behind his action, I just made comment that it probably didn't help the situation in regards to the ease in which he was able to pick Fisher up and then drive him into the turf.

According to the Budget, Ben Fisher stands at 182cm tall and weighs in at 75kg (which I guessed ) while Shirley is listed as 187cm and another 10kg heavier at 85kg.

Now, while 10kg isn't a huge amount, I think Shirley's superior upper body strength (being an AFL player) and core strength has come into the equation when he was able to contain Fisher (who is visibly a smaller framed person) and take his centre of gravity away from him by pinning the arms, lifting him with what seemed to be a fair amount of ease and momentum, then slam him into the ground.

Just my opinion, and as mentioned above, certainly a contributing factor, with a couple of facts thrown in there for good measure...

[ca]

Shirley is not that much bigger, if at all....I find that point almost irrelevant.

He is used to tackling bigger bodies during games and practice and is fairly strong for his size. Not an excuse though and makes no difference to the penalty but as Phil said I think it could have been a contributing factor.

[eddie eagle]

Tribunal verdict anyone? I have not seen the incident. I am not in favour of spear tackles. Knowing Robbie I would say that it was in no way intentional. I note Sam is suffering no ill effects (fortunately)

[Thiele]

Tribunal verdict anyone? I have not seen the incident. I am not in favour of spear tackles. Knowing Robbie I would say that it was in no way intentional. I note Sam is suffering no ill effects (fortunately)

Do you mean Ben Fisher

[Wedgie]

Tribunal verdict anyone? I have not seen the incident. I am not in favour of spear tackles. Knowing Robbie I would say that it was in no way intentional. I note Sam is suffering no ill effects (fortunately)

Do you mean Ben Fisher

Well he is right, Sam is suffering no ill effects from the tackle on Ben!

[eddie eagle]

Whoops!! Just reading the comments from our CEO also and was about to correct myself! Apologies