The SANFL and the Port Power Financial Issue

[Macca19]

When was the last time Port actually paid a dividend back to the SANFL?.

Not sure how many times this needs to be said before it starts sinking in. Port Adelaide have paid a sub licence fee back to the SANFL in every year except two and this includes paying a sub licence fee in every year this decade. They pay a set $350k or so fee year in year out. Shows how much some people pay attention. On top of that, the SANFL take approx $400k from Port home games, meaning that the SANFL end up with around $5 million in revenue from Port Adelaide on an annual basis. Is that enough for you, or do you still think they dont pull their weight?

[Dirko]

Good to see the AFL has rejected the plea from Port

They've told the SANFL to sort it out !

[JK]

Good to see the AFL has rejected the plea from Port

They've told the SANFL to sort it out !

Yeah great, and who does that then have flow-on implications for?

No doubt that will just be part of the AFL's way of leaning on the SANFL to coerce them into a direction they (AFL) want us to head, and no doubt the SANFL will touch their toes ..

[Wedgie]

Good to see the AFL has rejected the plea from Port

They've told the SANFL to sort it out !

Yeah great, and who does that then have flow-on implications for?

No doubt that will just be part of the AFL's way of leaning on the SANFL to coerce them into a direction they (AFL) want us to head, and no doubt the SANFL will touch their toes ..

Its not like the AFL had any choice.
Port refused to cut their on field spending. Other clubs as a condition of handouts had to cut on field spending to be eligible.
Port think they are bigger than these other clubs (although attendances would dictate that is not the case) and want different treatment which the AFL has correcly and fairly refused.
Crikey, Port are even spending money on netball!

[LPH]

I think we should help too, how could SAFooty help Port?
Im thinking we could sell a limited edition Tshirt (perhaps 119 only) in rose pink and turquoise to reflect both the past and present of Port saying 'Noone can lose AFL Grand Finals by as much as us!'.

Any takers?

SIGN ME UP for 100 of those !!!

[Dirko]

Yeah great, and who does that then have flow-on implications for?

No doubt that will just be part of the AFL's way of leaning on the SANFL to coerce them into a direction they (AFL) want us to head, and no doubt the SANFL will touch their toes ..

If the SANFL hold the license then surely it's up to THEM to approach the AFL for assistance if they can't provide any ! One would think the license holder would be responsible at the end of the day.

Makes sense for the AFL to put the onus back onto the SANFL.

[Macca19]

Port have the least dollars spent per win out of the whole AFL over the past 3 or 4 years, so it blows that theory out of the water. As for refusing to cut on field spending, its a bit late to be cutting on field spending for this year, you know, one week before the season starts....and the on field spend is not the issue anyway. The club is wanting help on its debt reduction, not a yearly annual gift from the AFL due to a rigged draw for now until eternity like 3 other AFL clubs get.

It makes sense for it to be handballed back to the SANFL to work with Port on a deal that works, which can then improve the situation for both the SANFL and Port. But still, it shows its very much the VFL, given how quickly the AFL came to bail out Carlton of 3 times as much debt.

[Sojourner]

Good to see the AFL has rejected the plea from Port

They've told the SANFL to sort it out !

Pretty much exactly what I thought might happen, wonder what Leigh is going to do now?......

[Hondo]

Yeah great, and who does that then have flow-on implications for?

No doubt that will just be part of the AFL's way of leaning on the SANFL to coerce them into a direction they (AFL) want us to head, and no doubt the SANFL will touch their toes ..

If the SANFL hold the license then surely it's up to THEM to approach the AFL for assistance if they can't provide any ! One would think the license holder would be responsible at the end of the day.

Makes sense for the AFL to put the onus back onto the SANFL.

I agree

If Macca's figures are correct then the SANFL are reaping in around $4m from Port's home games! Makes a mockery of all this "Port are a drain on the SANFL" talk. On the other thread someone said that the stadium revenue from the 2 teams is around $8m for the SANFL. If they pay $4m to the 9 SANFL clubs then in theory there's some room to move in between.

The AFL aren't about to give up their money to PAFC when the SANFL are taking so much of the pie already.

Which brings the circle right back to our own SANFL clubs also making losses and needing financial assistance (maybe). The AFL could draw the link and object to basically being asked to prop up the SANFL clubs.

In fact, I wonder if Haysman knew this all along and this whole application to the AFL was nothing more than the latest attempt to play hard ball with the SANFL on the Stadium deal?

PS: I can't believe some SANFL fans want to give up AFL match day revenue to the SACA

[JK]

PS: I can't believe some SANFL fans want to give up AFL match day revenue to the SACA

What do SANFL fans see of that SANFL revenue? (legit question btw)

[Hondo]

PS: I can't believe some SANFL fans want to give up AFL match day revenue to the SACA

What do SANFL fans see of that SANFL revenue? (legit question btw)

I presume it makes up most of the $4m that gets paid to the SANFL clubs each year?

I don't know where else the SANFL gets its revenue from. Not from the 15,000 people that go to SANFL each week.

[drebin]

PS: I can't believe some SANFL fans want to give up AFL match day revenue to the SACA

What do SANFL fans see of that SANFL revenue? (legit question btw)

The approx $400K distribution each SANFL club has been getting for a start not to mention the revenue helps with the admin costs of running our comp (umpires, the budget etc). So the fans do get it by the fact it helps keep the clubs / league afloat to a certain degree.

Love or hate them - a financially sound Port Power along with the Crows means the SANFL and our league should prosper to a certain degree (in theory at least!). Other than maybe Centrals, North and South - I don't think any of the other clubs could absorb only receiving half or a quarter of the current SANFL dividend.

[JK]

PS: I can't believe some SANFL fans want to give up AFL match day revenue to the SACA

What do SANFL fans see of that SANFL revenue? (legit question btw)

I presume it makes up most of the $4m that gets paid to the SANFL clubs each year?

I don't know where else the SANFL gets its revenue from. Not from the 15,000 people that go to SANFL each week.

Ahh ok, I thought the dividends came directly from the 2 AFL clubs over and above the $$ the SANFL makes via AAMI Stadium

[Dirko]

But still, it shows its very much the VFL, given how quickly the AFL came to bail out Carlton of 3 times as much debt.

LOL, yep, and unlike other clubs, we're paying it back. Carlton only took a loan out via the AFL. They lent us money and we need to pay it back, and are doing such, over the loan period.

As I said, the onus is on the license holder to ensure the product they hold the license for is profitable.

I posted elsewhere, if Port have asked the same thing, and are asking for a loan, that they'll pay back, then no issue. But if it's a free handout then let them and the license holder provide a solution.

[Macca19]

Which brings the circle right back to our own SANFL clubs also making losses and needing financial assistance (maybe). The AFL could draw the link and object to basically being asked to prop up the SANFL clubs.

In fact, I wonder if Haysman knew this all along and this whole application to the AFL was nothing more than the latest attempt to play hard ball with the SANFL on the Stadium deal?

Most likely. In his press conference yesterday, he said the main issue is reconfiguring the stadium deal, and made sure everyone there knew this was the main issue by reiterating that point about 15 times.

[Wedgie]

What Port make or help make is irrelevent.
If they cover the revenue loss to the SANFL and its clubs from when they entered the AFL is the pertinent point.
Iam assured from a friend that works in the SANFL that they're not even close. ie the SANFL and its clubs were better off without them
We can blame the AFL for this as we're all very aware they wanted Port as the 2nd team and the SANFLs hands were tied to a degree in not being able to choose a more economically attractive option.

[Barto]

I think we should help too, how could SAFooty help Port?
Im thinking we could sell a limited edition Tshirt (perhaps 119 only) in rose pink and turquoise to reflect both the past and present of Port saying 'Noone can lose AFL Grand Finals by as much as us!'.

Any takers?

Could be fun to wear to Port home games.

[drebin]

PS: I can't believe some SANFL fans want to give up AFL match day revenue to the SACA

What do SANFL fans see of that SANFL revenue? (legit question btw)

I presume it makes up most of the $4m that gets paid to the SANFL clubs each year?

I don't know where else the SANFL gets its revenue from. Not from the 15,000 people that go to SANFL each week.

Ahh ok, I thought the dividends came directly from the 2 AFL clubs over and above the $$ the SANFL makes via AAMI Stadium

In the end it all comes out of the one money bucket despite what containers are tipping it in to start with so technically you are correct (but so am I

[Pseudo]

When was the last time Port actually paid a dividend back to the SANFL?.

Not sure how many times this needs to be said before it starts sinking in. Port Adelaide have paid a sub licence fee back to the SANFL in every year except two and this includes paying a sub licence fee in every year this decade. They pay a set $350k or so fee year in year out. Shows how much some people pay attention. On top of that, the SANFL take approx $400k from Port home games, meaning that the SANFL end up with around $5 million in revenue from Port Adelaide on an annual basis. Is that enough for you, or do you still think they dont pull their weight?

When was the last time Port actually paid a dividend back to the SANFL?

(sorry, couldn't help myself)

[Barto]

What Port make or help make is irrelevent.
If they cover the revenue loss to the SANFL and its clubs from when they entered the AFL is the pertinent point.
Iam assured from a friend that works in the SANFL that they're not even close. ie the SANFL and its clubs were better off without them