Should the SANFL admit a 10th team to the SANFL Competition?

[topsywaldron]

Well seeing as Glenelg will be publically announcing at their season launch on March 21 the biggest sponsorship deal in SANFL history I don't think they will be folding or merging anytime soon.

Are you referring to Gliderol Oval?

Gliderol are getting a good (and cheap) deal if so.

[am Bays]

Im not sure what is the biggest sponsorship deal on a yearly basis but as a total amount i would think Holdens would have pumped a tiny bit of cash into Centrals over the years.

Agreed but as I understand it Centrals Major Sponsorship with Holden's is made up of several sponsorship agreements/renewels. This will be a single announcement for a considerable period of time.

However given the collective amount of years (20 isn't it) I will be surprised if Holden's contribution to Centrals is less than what Gliderol is going to contribute to Glenelg.

hey if Gliderol support Glenelg in the same way Holden have supported Centrals I will be a very happy Bays supporter.

[topsywaldron]

However given the collective amount of years (20 isn't it) I will be surprised if Holden's contribution to Centrals is less than what Gliderol is going to contribute to Glenelg.

Hang on, earlier it was the 'single biggest sponsorship deal in SANFL history' as opposed to the reality of $50,000 a year for a few years. And in a side note that deal isn't anywhere near what other clubs get for their oval naming rights but let's not let the facts get in the way of another of 1980TM's grandiose statements.

Gliderol Park is better than Challenge Recruitment Oval, I'll grant it that.

[am Bays]

However given the collective amount of years (20 isn't it) I will be surprised if Holden's contribution to Centrals is less than what Gliderol is going to contribute to Glenelg.

Hang on, earlier it was the 'single biggest sponsorship deal in SANFL history' as opposed to the reality of $50,000 a year for a few years. And in a side note that deal isn't anywhere near what other clubs get for their oval naming rights but let's not let the facts get in the way of another of 1980TM's grandiose statements.

Gliderol Park is better than Challenge Recruitment Oval, I'll grant it that.

yeah single deal vs collection of deals but you comprehend it as you see fit...

Mate it isn't just about naming rights of Gliderol Stadium for the Bay oval. Want to join me and some of the other Snouts at the Season launch on March 21 when all will be revealed...

[SABRE]

I have said this in the past but...
I believe we should combine the SAAFL & The SANFL into divisions & include promotion relegation.
More appropriate now considering the U19 & U17 competitions have dissolved & more players from those pools will enter the player lists in SAAFL clubs.
I have also said that I would like to see a National 2nd tear Competition, similar to the UEFA Cup Competition in Europe, that is;
Grand Finalists from SANFL, WAFL, VFL & the Premiers from NTFL, QAFL, NSWAFL & TAFL = 10 teams, 2 'Conferences', Round Robin format, 1 'Conference' Grand Final, 'Superbowl' Final.
If the above were to occur - AFL would need to sanction it & fund it via their 'grass roots football funding scheme'
Back to the original concept;
What is wrong with a promotion/relegation system?
The SANFL must begin to look to the future in order for our competiton to stay viable.
Ideas such as this (& I am NOT suggesting that this is the answer, only my preferred option) MUST be seriously considered & debated
I am a fan of 'the world game' but SANFL is in my heart (as many of you have witnessed)...
I believe that SANFL, WAFL, VFL are in danger of becoming overtaken in popularity & corporate dollars by 'football'
The time to act is very near, IMHO & the SANFL MUST look at alternative structures within the competition to attract these dollars

Spot on LoudEagleHooligan. I couldn’t agree more. Been saying the same thing for close on 35 years.
A strong relegation system is the one & only thing we can learn from soccer. If we’d had it years
ago, there would still be a South Melbourne, a Fitzroy, a Woodville & a West Torrens in their own right.
There’d be more players & $’s this side of Bordertown too.

Crows, Power, West Coast, Fremantle, Sydney & Brisbane have no right to exist.
They are the make believe sh*t of pin-striped thieves, standing in the way of local leagues across
the country, who have sweated blood for centuries trying to get to the top, while fighting the
tentacles of the VFL octopus. That’s right VFL, because we’ll never have a true AFL until every
club in the land has the opportunity to compete for their chance in the big dance. Your SANFL team
should have as much right to fight it out on the MCG (or elsewhere !) in September as any other long
standing club in Australia.

If local suburban teams in Darwin, Brisbane, Sydney or country teams from anywhere can hold onto
their players through loyalty, good management &/or sponsorship long enough to get to the top, that’s
something we should all aspire to & celebrate.
I don’t care if it’s the Frewville ‘Fruitbats’, the Snowtown ‘Barrel Bankers’ or the Trott Park ‘Titty Ticklers’.
All clubs should be equal in the eyes of a true AFL !!!

With relegation you won’t see your club destroyed when times get tough. They’ll just move down a division
until they get their act together again. When the Vics say jump, too many South Australians say - how high?
Just because the Eastern States keep using our water supply as their sewer, doesn’t mean we have to keep
eating their sh*t.

There are 3 simple steps to utopia:
1) Hang on to our players & demand a relegation system.
2) Build a fresh water pipeline from the Kimberleys.
3) Construct a huge dam across the Murray at the border & drown the b*stards.

Oh, ….. and eat more lamb.
It makes dollars not sense.


Kekka For King !

[Adelaide Hawk]

What is wrong with a promotion/relegation system?

Or more to the point ... what is right with it?

[Jimmy_041]

Well seeing as Glenelg will be publically announcing at their season launch on March 21 the biggest sponsorship deal in SANFL history I don't think they will be folding or merging anytime soon.

Are you referring to Gliderol Oval?

Gliderol are getting a good (and cheap) deal if so.

At least Glenelg wont have to bring the shutters down

[Pseudo]

Crows, Power, West Coast, Fremantle, Sydney & Brisbane have no right to exist.
They are the make believe sh*t of pin-striped thieves, standing in the way of local leagues across
the country, who have sweated blood for centuries trying to get to the top, while fighting the
tentacles of the VFL octopus. That’s right VFL, because we’ll never have a true AFL until every
club in the land has the opportunity to compete for their chance in the big dance.
[...]
When the Vics say jump, too many South Australians say - how high?
Just because the Eastern States keep using our water supply as their sewer, doesn’t mean we have to keep
eating their sh*t.

Early contender for Post Of The Year (tm).

It's only a shame that the text is too verbose to reasonably fit in my signature, otherwise Depravo the Rat would make way for the above text.

[SABRE]

Early contender for Post Of The Year (tm).

It's only a shame that the text is too verbose to reasonably fit in my signature, otherwise Depravo the Rat would make way for the above text.

Cheers Pseudo, I'll try and transcribe a shorthand version for ya.

[whufc]

We really should have end of year awards shouldn't we, maybe categories like best post, funniest post, most innacurrate post, worst spelt post, stuff like that.

When the mods see a post that they think might win an award they can file into a mods section, to eliminate having to go through every post at the end of the year.

We could even have polls to select the winner, where everyone gets to have one vote in each topic.

The possibilites are endless.

[LPH]

We really should have end of year awards shouldn't we, maybe categories like best post, funniest post, most innacurrate post, worst spelt post, stuff like that.

When the mods see a post that they think might win an award they can file into a mods section, to eliminate having to go through every post at the end of the year.

We could even have polls to select the winner, where everyone gets to have one vote in each topic.

The possibilites are endless.

Here here, happy with that... early prices for most inaccurate post:

1/10 SP

[Mickyj]

We really should have end of year awards shouldn't we, maybe categories like best post, funniest post, most innacurrate post, worst spelt post, stuff like that.

When the mods see a post that they think might win an award they can file into a mods section, to eliminate having to go through every post at the end of the year.

We could even have polls to select the winner, where everyone gets to have one vote in each topic.

The possibilites are endless.

Here here, happy with that... early prices for most inaccurate post:

1/10 SP

I'd be odds on favourite for upsetting People

[Dog_ger]

Seriously, what team would be competative at SANFL level...?

[bobster]

sailsbury north maybe...

[spell_check]

If you tried to admit another team anywhere in SA - metro or country, you would have to reshuffle the zones around.

And look what happens when you do reshuffle the zones! There would be x 9 the protests I reakon if a 10th SA team was admitted.

[csbowes]

While I like the idea of a relegation and promotion system, it just wouldn't work here. At least, not without consequences. For starters, you would dilute the talent pool, as assuming someone in A1 could compete in the SANFL, some players would either move to or stay in A1 sides for the chance to get into the SANFL. That means slightly less players being available to the SANFL sides, thus reducing the overall skill level of the league.

To add to that, I think one has to seriously reconsider whether Adelaide University or Gaza for example, would really be anything but a punching bag for even the lower teams of the SANFL. While I think most people would agree that Melbourne FC would destroy Centrals, I think likewise, teams like South Adelaide would rip Gaza a new one. Another concern I would have is that Gaza is amateur, amateur players with amateur ethics and there is the possibility of players being, lets say, overly rough.

I just can't see it working to the extent that you and I and a bunch of people would like...

[csbowes]

That said... adding a 10th team to the SANFL is a must. It is very much overdue...

The league has to look at the number of football clubs for 10-19 year olds around the state and divide up the boundaries accordingly, that has been mentioned in other threads. That would probably allow us to work out where the 10th team should come from. I'm going to guess and say something like Golden Grove, but I know others have mentioned adding in a team from the Riverland, Mt.Barker or Victor Harbour, a country team, which I think has a lot of merit.

I'd certainly rather go down that path than add a team from Tasmania or Darwin, which really has nothing to do with our competition or obviously, our state. It's a nice idea, but Victor Harbour Mariners or Mt.Barker Hillbillies is better!

[Hondo]

While I like the idea of a relegation and promotion system, it just wouldn't work here. At least, not without consequences. For starters, you would dilute the talent pool, as assuming someone in A1 could compete in the SANFL, some players would either move to or stay in A1 sides for the chance to get into the SANFL. That means slightly less players being available to the SANFL sides, thus reducing the overall skill level of the league.

To add to that, I think one has to seriously reconsider whether Adelaide University or Gaza for example, would really be anything but a punching bag for even the lower teams of the SANFL. While I think most people would agree that Melbourne FC would destroy Centrals, I think likewise, teams like South Adelaide would rip Gaza a new one. Another concern I would have is that Gaza is amateur, amateur players with amateur ethics and there is the possibility of players being, lets say, overly rough.

I just can't see it working to the extent that you and I and a bunch of people would like...

Good post

Relegation/promotion is unfortunately not as simple as some think. The "div 2" teams have to be able to buy players at short notice to compete and we don't have a free system like the EPL to cater for it.

Plus clubs need to lock in funding & sponsors to run a SANFL team (look how hard it is for the current 9 clubs) and it's very hard to do so when you can't guarantee the bank or the sponsor what Division you could be in next year. In the current financial climate, once a team drops out of the SANFL it would probably be their death knock.

There's a host of other logistical issues such as getting grounds up to standard, attracting CEOs, maintaining members, etc, etc.

Let's be honest too, you'd have the same 4 clubs interchanging in and out because a lot will never be able to make it to Div 1 and others will never drop out.

If you are going to pick a 10th team then pick 1, lock it in, support it and make sure it can stand on it's own financial feet ASAP without any concern about dropping out again in 1 year (as CSBowes added, just read your latest post).

[csbowes]

Yeah the money, sponsors, president and general manager etc are HUGE points too... well done for bringing them up... A1 teams just wouldn't have the finances to compete, nor the training facilities.

[Big Phil]

While I think most people would agree that Melbourne FC would destroy Centrals

A little off topic I know but I'm certainly not most people and disagree with that, I reckon the Dogs would give them a run for their money...

As for a 10th team, I think a team from the Adelaide Hills would be the best option...