Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

[redandblack]

You just wouldn't know, sno.

I don't know what he was on at South, but Cupido is on far less at West Adelaide than many players at North.

I continue to note that dash's reasonable queries and statements are left alone and the only responses are generalities.

[Macca19]

I would take a stab and say Ackland would be minimum $40k playing wage.


I do find it amusing, as redandblack mentioned in another thread, how every year when the silly season comes around, all of Norths recruits sign for the love of the jumper and for much less than what other clubs offered, but every single recruit for every other club signs for maximum coin.

[smac]

Dash61

you really are a jealous man we cant help the fact that your club is going no where if are going to make such bold claims such as player payments you be able to back them up maybe have a look in your own backyard first

might be a bit hard cause there are not to many players at west that should be paid anyway, must be real hard knowing you havent got a chance before the season starts NOW THATS A FACT

His club isn't going nowhere. Even with no improvement, the rate of your clubs demise in 2008 should see them below West before the end of 2009.

[rod_rooster]

Personally i wouldn't know what any players are earning. What i'd like to know is that if it is so obvious that North are breaching the salary cap (as some of you are suggesting ad nauseum) then why is nothing done? Why when investigated have we been found to be compliant every time? What is so special about North in this regard or do all clubs do it and get away with it? If it is so easy to get away with then why are other clubs not doing it as well?

I like the assertion that Cupido is on a lot less than many at North. When it is suggested by some that North players are getting less than what many people think the argument comes back as to what makes North so special that players are willing to play for less there. Well exactly what is it about West that makes Cupido willing to play for less? You guys can't have it both ways. I'm sure recruits would look at West and think "gee i could go to club A for more money but i'd much prefer the culture and successful environment down at Richmond"

[ferret]

I take offence at the Eagles being called salary cap cheats.
The SANFL came out in the press and clearly stated that the Eagles offending was due to an arithmetical error of about $1,000 which they were duly fined about $2,000.

[stillnotout]

You just wouldn't know, sno.

I don't know what he was on at South, but Cupido is on far less at West Adelaide than many players at North.

I continue to note that dash's reasonable queries and statements are left alone and the only responses are generalities.

so tell me what the North players are then or are you guessing again by the way you are talking you must have ALL the NAFC contracts come on tell us all

[ElizabethVCRThief]

I take offence at the Eagles being called salary cap cheats.
The SANFL came out in the press and clearly stated that the Eagles offending was due to an arithmetical error of about $1,000 which they were duly fined about $2,000.

if it makes you feel any better the Eagles only cheated a little bit.

[Grahaml]

Lol. I find it very funny how many people come on here anonymously and pretend as if they know the ins and outs of every club in the SANFL. In all honesty most people posting on theis thread trying to insinuate things about the opposition are just making it up, and when those same people claim to have inside information about thei own clubs it's probably a "mate of a mate" gossip.

The actual pay of a player would be kept between a very small group of people at each club and none of those people would be making it known while they were with the club.

[stillnotout]

good call i agree. But redandblack knows all the North payments we are just waiting for him to tell us

[Wedgie]

I do find it amusing, as redandblack mentioned in another thread, how every year when the silly season comes around, all of Norths recruits sign for the love of the jumper and for much less than what other clubs offered, but every single recruit for every other club signs for maximum coin.

I fin it even more amusing that I see no evidence of this love of the jumper statement, I also find it amusing that clubs who have been caught cheating and the 4 or 5 clubs with better lists dont get as much scrutiny.
I can only assume its petty jealousy that North keep their members more informed than most or just childish trolling.
Im also constantly amazed that supporters of clubs who are an even bigger rabble than mine have the time in their life to worry about clubs so much.
If people are genuinely intersted theyll just use the search facility.
I do however commend Sqwawk for bringing some intelligent commentry to the topic as its kindergarton stuff elsewhere and I cringe its on this site, its more suited to other websites where the average IQ is lower.

PS Most SANFL players I know who have divulged their income to me could get a hell of a lot more in the country with less training. Theres a lot more reasons for playing SANFL than just money and that would be for players at all clubs not just 1 or 2.

[JK]

I have no doubt that if all clubs had the level of financial resource to cover it, then all would go over the cap in some way shape or form.

In all honesty I think far too much concern gets put toward the Salary Cap.

Just my $0.02 worth

[Wedgie]

Lol. I find it very funny how many people come on here anonymously and pretend as if they know the ins and outs of every club in the SANFL. In all honesty most people posting on theis thread trying to insinuate things about the opposition are just making it up, and when those same people claim to have inside information about thei own clubs it's probably a "mate of a mate" gossip.

The actual pay of a player would be kept between a very small group of people at each club and none of those people would be making it known while they were with the club.

Exactly.
Hypothetically speaking if the West Football Manager or CEO stuffed up recruitments on an ongoing basis because of a lack of skills or resources and the players went to a more professionally run club, what is that manager or CEO going to tell the Westies long term volunteer who asked why the potential recruit went to another club?
'We had the better approach but the other club is cheating the cap and threw more money at them' to keep the long term ignorant volunteer happy despite his club spending another year on the bottom due to an unproffesionally run club. He'll cover his arse to keep his job safer rather than if he mentioned his own or club's unprofessionalism.
Sad part about this hypothetical situation is that the hypothetical volunteer possibly believes the rubbish told to him and sprouts it to others claiming he has the inside info and for each year he goes on about it you can be sure his club will remain near the bottom.
Quite sad really if thay hypothetical situation were to occur but it wouldnt suprise me.
Ill be scared when some people stop whinging as it might mean their own club is finally back on track.
I wont be holding my breath though.

[topsywaldron]

Ill be scared when some people stop whinging as it might mean their own club is finally back on track. I wont be holding my breath though.

Given your last few posts there's no chance North are back on track then.

[redandblack]

There are enough people on here who have a fair idea of the range of payments required to get different types of players to sign. They might be a bit out, but they'd be generally in the ball-park.

On top of that, there are enough people on here who have a fair idea of what the players their club are after have been offered by other clubs. Players often tell a Club that what they've been offered isn't near what they've been offered by another Club. Strangely, it's always the same few Clubs who are mentioned at such times. On top of that, some Clubs just don't have the money to offer big dollars; some notably do.

The defence that if you're not caught, you're innocent is naive in the extreme and should just be ignored. A pattern builds up over the years and posters on here are intelligent enough to work out what's obviously happening. I'm sure North aren't the only ones who pay well over the odds. I'm amazed that Centrals can keep a multi-flag winning team together and still have enough to outbid other clubs to the likes of Callinan. I'm sure they've used some very creative methods at times.

What I propose, to keep this on a factual footing, is to apply the new WAFL points system to the (say) top 25 players at the start of the 2009 season for each Club and see what the relativity is. That doesn't prove anything, but might be an interesting exercise.

Failing that, I look forward to an answer to dash's reasonable questions.

Finally, that useful warning that another post has been put up before submitting this one alerted me to Wedgie's post. His professionally run team that finished 7th with a highly paid list isn't in a position to preach.

Denial of the obvious is also sad.

[Wedgie]

I thought North were very unprofessional last year r&b, still more professional than some other clubs but definately unprofessional at several levels. I also got canned for pointing that out during the year.
I dont know why you feel the need to make things up.
Just because a club is professional at recruiting or at conveying information doesnt mean theyre going to have onfield success.
Quite obvious I would have thought.
PS Most if not all of people on here who think they know what players get have absolutely no idea as theyre just drip fed crap told to them by those with self interests.
Every club has them and I feel sorry for those ignorant fools.

[Booney]

So basically nobody knows what anyone is getting?

[Macca19]

I do find it amusing, as redandblack mentioned in another thread, how every year when the silly season comes around, all of Norths recruits sign for the love of the jumper and for much less than what other clubs offered, but every single recruit for every other club signs for maximum coin.

I fin it even more amusing that I see no evidence of this love of the jumper statement,

Drebin and others have said so many times in the past few years. I remember back in the off season when the Magpies picked up Baird, Morrison, Alvey, Bullen and maybe someone else, there was plenty of 'gee we offered them $xx,xxx and he didnt sign so how are they under the salary cap'. Of course nothing came of it. Nick Gill is one that was mentioned numerous times in the past who signed for less than what other clubs were offering.

I also find it amusing that clubs who have been caught cheating and the 4 or 5 clubs with better lists dont get as much scrutiny.
I can only assume its petty jealousy that North keep their members more informed than most or just childish trolling.

To my knowledge, we havent been caught cheating and our club keeps us well informed on the ins and outs situation, so not sure what youre getting at there.

Im also constantly amazed that supporters of clubs who are an even bigger rabble than mine have the time in their life to worry about clubs so much.

Yes because writing a post on a message board that took about 15 seconds to do means I spend the majority of my waking hours worrying about how North Adelaide is fitting players under the salary cap!

I couldnt care less. Im just making the observation that most clubs would be involved in creative accounting. I have no doubt the Magpies must do a good job in finding ways to fit players in. I also find the statement that the SANFL know of clubs that blatantly cheat the salary cap but do nothing about it to be wrong. I cant believe the league would knowingly let teams cheat.

[Wedgie]

I do find it amusing, as redandblack mentioned in another thread, how every year when the silly season comes around, all of Norths recruits sign for the love of the jumper and for much less than what other clubs offered, but every single recruit for every other club signs for maximum coin.

I fin it even more amusing that I see no evidence of this love of the jumper statement,

Drebin and others have said so many times in the past few years. I remember back in the off season when the Magpies picked up Baird, Morrison, Alvey, Bullen and maybe someone else, there was plenty of 'gee we offered them $xx,xxx and he didnt sign so how are they under the salary cap'. Of course nothing came of it. Nick Gill is one that was mentioned numerous times in the past who signed for less than what other clubs were offering.

Yes, and I find that amusing, umm, so are you agreeing with me, Im not with you?

I also find it amusing that clubs who have been caught cheating and the 4 or 5 clubs with better lists dont get as much scrutiny.
I can only assume its petty jealousy that North keep their members more informed than most or just childish trolling.

To my knowledge, we havent been caught cheating and our club keeps us well informed on the ins and outs situation, so not sure what youre getting at there.

I didn't say you had been, I think its great that your club keeps you well informed, I wasn't referring to you or your club. Your reply has nothing to do with my quote that you've quoted, you've lost me again.

Im also constantly amazed that supporters of clubs who are an even bigger rabble than mine have the time in their life to worry about clubs so much.

Yes because writing a post on a message board that took about 15 seconds to do means I spend the majority of my waking hours worrying about how North Adelaide is fitting players under the salary cap!

I didn't say you have, your first 2 points either agree with me or make no point and now you make a silly statement like that.
No idea what you're on or where you're coming from Macca.
I'd suggest you read what I write, not what you think I mean, it might help.

Perhaps if you need further clarification PM me so this topic can stay on track.
Cheers.

[TigerBoss]

There is no doubt that several clubs are declaring players' incomes for the sake of their salary cap, and paying other payments outside of this. You'd be Blind Freddy to think otherwise.

Yes, some players will join a club based on its reputation, or based on where his mates are playing...and there are also many players that come out of the AFL system, or are very good WAFL/VFL players, that can stick their name out to the 9 clubs and wait for the highest bidder, with better job opportunities and better overall arrangements for that player.

[Macca19]

I also find it amusing that clubs who have been caught cheating and the 4 or 5 clubs with better lists dont get as much scrutiny.
I can only assume its petty jealousy that North keep their members more informed than most or just childish trolling.

To my knowledge, we havent been caught cheating and our club keeps us well informed on the ins and outs situation, so not sure what youre getting at there.

I didn't say you had been, I think its great that your club keeps you well informed, I wasn't referring to you or your club. Your reply has nothing to do with my quote that you've quoted, you've lost me again.

I figured as you were quoting my post that you were referring to Port.

Im also constantly amazed that supporters of clubs who are an even bigger rabble than mine have the time in their life to worry about clubs so much.

Yes because writing a post on a message board that took about 15 seconds to do means I spend the majority of my waking hours worrying about how North Adelaide is fitting players under the salary cap!

I'd suggest you read what I write, not what you think I mean, it might help.[/quote]

You said have the time in their life to worry about clubs so much . i replied that it takes 15 seconds to write a post here and that it doesnt equate to worrying about other clubs.

Pretty straight forward really.