A Disgrace (South V West Reserves)

[BlueBoy1991]

And thanks for all the posts i have got about my injury i am really disapointed it had to be from behind and not in the play of the ball.. i think everyone one that does things like this needs to look at what there doing that would not like it happening to them and it does not make you look tough it is week a real man hits from the front and when the other guy knows its coming. If you want to be tough put a good hip an shoulder on or lay a hard tackle

[spell_check]

It will depend on how the two clubs handle this IMO.

Hopefully SAPOL can be left out of this. The best place for SAPOL in footy is pulling on a guernsey and having a kick themselves.

I'm inclined to disagree. I think there should be an officer at every match with a video camera, and all assaults - that is all contact not within the rules of the game - should be prosecuted automatically. Otherwise, Kev07 will have been right in backing Soccer as the sport for 2018.

I am not just incline to disagree, but strongly disagree. What difference should it make if someone is king hit on the footy field, than in the street? I'm only using a possible scenario here, but what if one player who held a grudge against another for an off field incident, and decides 10-12 weeks of not playing football is a good price to pay to seriously injure a player? Certainly beats jail time doesn't it? Even better if there are little or no witnesses to see it!

I agree in that police involvement should not be used willy-nilly for indiscretions on the football field, but they should always be contacted in situations where one player decides to hit someone behind play just because they are frustrated or hold a grudge against them. (or even because they were instructed to do so, in that case the coach has something to answer to as well)

[drebin]

People are forgetting that Police involvement is only instigated at the request of a complainant or the incident is witnessed by Police and is serious enough to warrant Police follow-up with the victim and other witnesses. Police have a legal obligation to investigate assault allegations whether other people at the time believe these things should stay within the confines of Football (or Sporting) Associations to deal with.

I can tell you from experience there are a number of assualt matters from sporting contests referred to SAPOL every weekend but the majority are deemed to be sporting incidents and do not proceed to court by adjudication or the complaint is withdrawn at a further date.

[dash61]

The lad went up last night, got a 4 game ban, pleaded guilty but the video was there is needed

[Cambridge Clarrie]

And thanks for all the posts i have got about my injury i am really disapointed it had to be from behind and not in the play of the ball.. i think everyone one that does things like this needs to look at what there doing that would not like it happening to them and it does not make you look tough it is week a real man hits from the front and when the other guy knows its coming. If you want to be tough put a good hip an shoulder on or lay a hard tackle

Agreed. We all love seeing hard (but fair) hits. Geddes on Brown is my particular favourite!

[spell_check]

People are forgetting that Police involvement is only instigated at the request of a complainant or the incident is witnessed by Police and is serious enough to warrant Police follow-up with the victim and other witnesses. Police have a legal obligation to investigate assault allegations whether other people at the time believe these things should stay within the confines of Football (or Sporting) Associations to deal with.

I can tell you from experience there are a number of assualt matters from sporting contests referred to SAPOL every weekend but the majority are deemed to be sporting incidents and do not proceed to court by adjudication or the complaint is withdrawn at a further date.

So if someone took a swing and knocked someone out 50 metres away from the ball, that's deemed a "sporting incident" too? I can see why the complaint wouldn't get anywhere if it was within a few metres away from the ball, though.

[spell_check]

:shock: The lad went up last night, got a 4 game ban, pleaded guilty but the video was there is needed

Are you saying because the video was needed, the number of weeks was reduced? 4 weeks! Just another example of how soft the tribunal is, there never seems to be a fine line - AFL is too harsh, SANFL is too soft.

[bundy]

I think you will find it is "IF VIDEO IS NEEDED. "

[spell_check]

I think you will find it is "IF VIDEO IS NEEDED. "

So the video wasn't needed, you mean.

[Psyber]

People are forgetting that Police involvement is only instigated at the request of a complainant or the incident is witnessed by Police and is serious enough to warrant Police follow-up with the victim and other witnesses. Police have a legal obligation to investigate assault allegations whether other people at the time believe these things should stay within the confines of Football (or Sporting) Associations to deal with.

I can tell you from experience there are a number of assualt matters from sporting contests referred to SAPOL every weekend but the majority are deemed to be sporting incidents and do not proceed to court by adjudication or the complaint is withdrawn at a further date.

The Police generally look for excuses to not proceed and not have to do the paperwork that goes with it if they suspect the charges will be dropped or the witness not want to testify after they have done all that tedious work. "It's a domestic." is a similar response if a spouse is assaulted. The best response to that to get them moving is, "I want to press charges. Do I have to go to headquarters to do so?"

[bundy]

I think he pled guilty and video was not needed.

[spell_check]

I think he pled guilty and video was not needed.

So I can only assume that the sentence was reduced by half because of the guilty plea, because it sounds like it deserved at least 8 weeks.

[bosvit]

It will depend on how the two clubs handle this IMO.

Hopefully SAPOL can be left out of this. The best place for SAPOL in footy is pulling on a guernsey and having a kick themselves.

I'm inclined to disagree. I think there should be an officer at every match with a video camera, and all assaults - that is all contact not within the rules of the game - should be prosecuted automatically. Otherwise, Kev07 will have been right in backing Soccer as the sport for 2018.

I am not just incline to disagree, but strongly disagree. What difference should it make if someone is king hit on the footy field, than in the street? I'm only using a possible scenario here, but what if one player who held a grudge against another for an off field incident, and decides 10-12 weeks of not playing football is a good price to pay to seriously injure a player? Certainly beats jail time doesn't it? Even better if there are little or no witnesses to see it!

I agree in that police involvement should not be used willy-nilly for indiscretions on the football field, but they should always be contacted in situations where one player decides to hit someone behind play just because they are frustrated or hold a grudge against them. (or even because they were instructed to do so, in that case the coach has something to answer to as well)

Fair enough too.

What I was trying to get at was it would be good if the clubs and the SANFL can handle it properly so there is no need to involve SAPOL.

Personally I feel that if the incident was as bad as has been reported on here he is lucky to get 4. Seems a few games short for me.

But this is only one step for mine. Was there an apology? The problem here for mine is that if it is done properly and there is an apology from the offender to the ... er .... Victim? We shouldn't hear about it, its private and should be kept that way. The problem with that is we don't know if there was an apology or not

[spell_check]

It will depend on how the two clubs handle this IMO.

Hopefully SAPOL can be left out of this. The best place for SAPOL in footy is pulling on a guernsey and having a kick themselves.

I'm inclined to disagree. I think there should be an officer at every match with a video camera, and all assaults - that is all contact not within the rules of the game - should be prosecuted automatically. Otherwise, Kev07 will have been right in backing Soccer as the sport for 2018.

I am not just incline to disagree, but strongly disagree. What difference should it make if someone is king hit on the footy field, than in the street? I'm only using a possible scenario here, but what if one player who held a grudge against another for an off field incident, and decides 10-12 weeks of not playing football is a good price to pay to seriously injure a player? Certainly beats jail time doesn't it? Even better if there are little or no witnesses to see it!

I agree in that police involvement should not be used willy-nilly for indiscretions on the football field, but they should always be contacted in situations where one player decides to hit someone behind play just because they are frustrated or hold a grudge against them. (or even because they were instructed to do so, in that case the coach has something to answer to as well)

Fair enough too.

What I was trying to get at was it would be good if the clubs and the SANFL can handle it properly so there is no need to involve SAPOL.

Personally I feel that if the incident was as bad as has been reported on here he is lucky to get 4. Seems a few games short for me.

But this is only one step for mine. Was there an apology? The problem here for mine is that if it is done properly and there is an apology from the offender to the ... er .... Victim? We shouldn't hear about it, its private and should be kept that way. The problem with that is we don't know if there was an apology or not

I understand that too. Having the police step in frequently would not be good because it would seem that the SANFL is not doing its job. Only regarding off the ball incidents like these would I want the police involved. And the personal apology too, is much better than "we have suspended you for four matches" amd that's it. That would seem rather cold to the victim.

[dash61]

Anyone Interested

On page 22 of todays Sunday Mail is a quarter page story of this incident