2007 Rumours - Who is going where?

[The Whisper]

Hopefully Chad can find a willing driver to get him to Unley each week in that case...

[Jimmy]

I think we had a look at him before he went to the eagles a few years back??

[Jimmy]

Peel Thunder
Ryan Nye returns to the Thunder after playing one season for North Adelaide in the SANFL.

Swan Districts
Star ruckman Tallan Ames could be lured to the SANFL in 2007.

Some news from footygoss.com.au

Most probably knew about Nye but wonder which club is getting this Ames bloke???

anyone know anything about him?

[aleague]

Its very difficult to assess Jarman as a coach as he has achieved very little considering the money North have spent. They have also made some very poor recruiting decisions eg.paid a fortune for Ohara, Wise, Koops etc at the expense of blooding juniors. What is the point of winning reserves, u19s, u17s premierships if you dont then promote those players through the system. Have a look at how many North born and bred played league last year versus imports. Cant understand the short term mentality which makes a mockery of junior grades being successful. Would have been much better off playing the likes of Mcentee(no league games at all this season- a joke) , Grocke and Weatherley.
Coaching is supposed to be about developing and nurturing not just paying out the most bucks to buy a premiership. Take a leaf out of Centrals and the Eagles.
Become a coach Jarman not a recruiter.

[JK]

Uh oh ....

[Wedgie]

Its very difficult to assess Jarman as a coach as he has achieved very little considering the money North have spent. They have also made some very poor recruiting decisions eg.paid a fortune for Ohara, Wise, Koops etc at the expense of blooding juniors. What is the point of winning reserves, u19s, u17s premierships if you dont then promote those players through the system. Have a look at how many North born and bred played league last year versus imports. Cant understand the short term mentality which makes a mockery of junior grades being successful. Would have been much better off playing the likes of Mcentee(no league games at all this season- a joke) , Grocke and Weatherley.
Coaching is supposed to be about developing and nurturing not just paying out the most bucks to buy a premiership. Take a leaf out of Centrals and the Eagles.
Become a coach Jarman not a recruiter.

You should over some older posts in this forum as most of your myths have been laid to rest.
Im summary:
See previous points re juniors played as you're way off the mark there, we have compared them to other clubs and they were one of the better clubs at it.
Agree about O'Hara and Koops, disagree about Wise, didn't cost much at all and was a good recruit last year.
Agree with your point about Jarman being difficult to assess.
Agree about McEntee and that it was a joke he didn't get a league game, had some great late season form although slow off the mark, if he's reversed his form would have definately been a starter early on, don't agree about Grocke and Weatherley was injured, he was North's starting full forward until injured too. Came back late in the year but still on one leg and never captured his early form in the ressies.
In regard to Jarman recruiting, I'd suspect Glenn Elliott and James Moore do most of the leg work but the Jarman name is very influential when trying to lure interstate recruits here, also Jars does meet with the recruits personally unlike at some clubs where players just get a powerpoint presentation and a group meeting with the coach if lucky (see Gill who was offered more at the Bay than North but was very non plussed about their effort to recruit him and treat him like a person rather than a number).
North may have made some poor recruiting decisions but they've also made some great decisions in Jarman's era, ie Gill, Roe, Howard, Ryswyk, Campbell, Gatto, Schubert and I think we'll see a lot better from Alleway, Walker, Weatherley, Krieg and Coulter yet.
By my reckoning North had 18 players who have come through their juniors play league footy in 2006.
If anything 2 players were blooded before they were ready and 1 was langiushing in the ressies who should have played league so they actually erred in favour of promotion rather than the other way around IMHO.

[am Bays]

(see Gill who was offered more at the Bay than North but was very non plussed about their effort to recruit him and treat him like a person rather than a number).

So he prefered the number approach of North compared to the personal approach of the Bays

We have Wedgies response, CP, just need BPBRB and Punkies...

[mighty_tiger_79]

I think GILL did us a favour by choosing north, who would want a bloke with a dodgy knee

[JK]

I think GILL did us a favour by choosing north, who would want a bloke with a dodgy knee

LOL .. In case you can't see it thats my hand up in the air

[Wedgie]

(see Gill who was offered more at the Bay than North but was very non plussed about their effort to recruit him and treat him like a person rather than a number).

So he prefered the number approach of North compared to the personal approach of the Bays

We have Wedgies response just need BPBRB and Punkies...

Nah mate, other way around, sorry if my post confused you. No need for any other responses as I feel I covered the facts quite well?
I think Punky or BRPBPB did a summary before but I just had a look at the yearbook received last night and if you break North's players into where they came from it breaks down as per follows:
Homegrown: 15
Discarded by other SANFL clubs: 5
Recruited from other SANFL clubs: 6
Victorians: 5
Northern Territory: 3
Country SA: 1
Crows recruits: 3
Port recruit: 1
Queensland: 1
WA: 1

[mighty_tiger_79]

well its changed from North Melbourne to North Australia

[redandblack]

I couldn't resist

As always, there are lies, damned lies and statistics.

Instead of listing the numbers of players origins, how about also listing the number of games played. Apart from 3 or 4 experienced home-grown players, I would be surprised if most of the other locals averaged more than a few games each.

This is along the lines of the "we lost 15 and gained 12" type of argument.

[Wedgie]

I couldn't resist

As always, there are lies, damned lies and statistics.

Instead of listing the numbers of players origins, how about also listing the number of games played. Apart from 3 or 4 experienced home-grown players, I would be surprised if most of the other locals averaged more than a few games each.

This is along the lines of the "we lost 15 and gained 12" type of argument.

Hope my maths is right (could be 1 or 2 out):
Games in 2006
Homegrown - 159 games
Discarded by SANFL clubs - 66 games (includes people like Kaesler, Gatto, Down, Schubert, etc)
Recruited from other SANFL clubs - 80 games (I included Howard here but could be above category)
Victorians: 74 games (includes Vice Captain Younie)
Northern Territory: 39 games
Country SA: 9 games (Haseldine)
Crows: 16 games
Port: 1 game (included Motlop in NT but could swap)
Qld: 23 games (Ryswyk)
WA: 12 games (Walker)

Its interesting for a top 3 Club how many players that other clubs below them didn't want go on to have a big influence collectively. Im not a big Jarman fan but he must be doing something righ there.

[Wedgie]

Apart from 3 or 4 experienced home-grown players, I would be surprised if most of the other locals averaged more than a few games each.

Excellent point r&b, it indicates lots of youngsters/newbies must have been given a try at North and you're actually backing up the point made.

[am Bays]

(see Gill who was offered more at the Bay than North but was very non plussed about their effort to recruit him and treat him like a person rather than a number).

So he prefered the number approach of North compared to the personal approach of the Bays

We have Wedgies response just need BPBRB and Punkies...

Nah mate, other way around, sorry if my post confused you. No need for any other responses as I feel I covered the facts quite well?

lol, nah I got your point, far be it for me to criticise anyone for their grammar and speling on tihs site....

[dash61]

You would have to include younie from victoria, not from WA

Heath Younie (West Coast eagles)

Guernsey Number: 42

Height 176cm

Weight: 74kg

Recruited From: Murray Bushrangers

Debut: -

Date of Birth: 26 March 1979

Eagles Biography
Recruited by West Perth from the Murray Bushrangers, he was then drafted to the West Coast Eagles rookie list. The following season he joined Claremont under the host club agreement, but when not elevated to the senior list in 2000 returned to Victoria.

Player Honours
Played in West Perth grand final team 1998. In 1999 was Claremont’s leading goal-kicker and finished fourth in the Tigers’ fairest and best count.

Player Stats
Other clubs: West Perth (22 games, 32 goals); Claremont (19 games, 44 goals).

[redandblack]

Nice try, Wedgie, but the facts have hung you out to dry.

The home grown players average the least amount of games (excluding the 1 player each from Port and tthe country).

If you take out the experienced players such as Wintle, etc, the average for home grown talent is very poor.

Far from giving them opportunity, most of the time they were put up to fill holes, by the look of it.

I'm not knocking your use of imports, just having a go at the 'home-grown talent' argument.

As I said, lies, damned lies and Wedgie's statistics

[Dogwatcher]

You'd also include Schubert as country and not discarded I reckon.
He played one league with Westies - and played the past three seasons at Loxton (his home club) before travelling to North for this season.

BTW - Wedgie, have you seen 'Harry's' missus???

[sus]

Its very difficult to assess Jarman as a coach as he has achieved very little considering the money North have spent. They have also made some very poor recruiting decisions eg.paid a fortune for Ohara, Wise, Koops etc at the expense of blooding juniors. What is the point of winning reserves, u19s, u17s premierships if you dont then promote those players through the system. Have a look at how many North born and bred played league last year versus imports. Cant understand the short term mentality which makes a mockery of junior grades being successful. Would have been much better off playing the likes of Mcentee(no league games at all this season- a joke) , Grocke and Weatherley.
Coaching is supposed to be about developing and nurturing not just paying out the most bucks to buy a premiership. Take a leaf out of Centrals and the Eagles.
Become a coach Jarman not a recruiter.

I competely agree. In fact I made the same general observations at this time last year.

[dash61]

Redandblack

The way you attacked wedgies numbers anyone would think your an accountant or work for the tax office, what is your profession sir???????????????