Salary Cap (Creative Accounting)

[Macca19]

What makes the cap even tighter for clubs is that I understand that AFL listed players command a notional payment out of the cap of $500 per game. At Norwood we had 79 games from Crows/Power listed players last year which equals a $39,500 deduction from the cap, effectively reducing it back from $350k to $310,500 in 2008.

So because you don't know exactly how many SANFL games you are going to get out of your AFL listed players (but you can work out what the maximum will be based on the calculation of how many AFL listed players you have multiplied by the maximum number of games they can possibly play in the SANFL) how does an SANFL club know what monies will come out of the salary cap for this allowance.

They don't have a crystal ball to know how many games their SANFL players will play so do they therefore leave this "maximum amount" as a float in the cap to allow for the $500 nominal payment if it does happen to occur ? So, in a situation where an SANFL club has a higher games played input from AFL listed players than other clubs (for example, say Norwood as opposed to Centrals) is there some leeway shown to Norwood because you just don't know the final figure ?

They would have ideas from the AFL clubs about what would happen. For instance, im sure North would have known that Lonie was to spend most of this year down at Prospect for example.

[Big Phil]

What makes the cap even tighter for clubs is that I understand that AFL listed players command a notional payment out of the cap of $500 per game. At Norwood we had 79 games from Crows/Power listed players last year which equals a $39,500 deduction from the cap, effectively reducing it back from $350k to $310,500 in 2008.

So because you don't know exactly how many SANFL games you are going to get out of your AFL listed players (but you can work out what the maximum will be based on the calculation of how many AFL listed players you have multiplied by the maximum number of games they can possibly play in the SANFL) how does an SANFL club know what monies will come out of the salary cap for this allowance.

They don't have a crystal ball to know how many games their SANFL players will play so do they therefore leave this "maximum amount" as a float in the cap to allow for the $500 nominal payment if it does happen to occur ? So, in a situation where an SANFL club has a higher games played input from AFL listed players than other clubs (for example, say Norwood as opposed to Centrals) is there some leeway shown to Norwood because you just don't know the final figure ?

They would have ideas from the AFL clubs about what would happen. For instance, im sure North would have known that Lonie was to spend most of this year down at Prospect for example.

Yeah, I understand that Macca, but the point I'm trying to make is that there can potentially be a fair chunk of cash either left floating in "no mans" land or these $500 nominal payments can make the club significantly over the cap. Sqwark mentioned that Norwood had something like 80 games played from AFL players and about $35K forked out in these nominal payments.

That's a fair junk to have "in limbo" and in some instances coudl be the extra cash needed to get that gun recruit over the line ? Can anyone confirm what the clubs do in this instance ? Do they account for an allowance for this or do they just "suck it and see" and pay up what they need to when required. Just a bit confused about the technicalties of where and when the monies from this situation are allocated ???

[Squawk]

I'll stand corrected BP but I think that's how it works.

Now, the tricky bit starts. As I said, if you have two players on $80k plus allow $40k for notional AFL player payments, that leaves a club with $160K for the rest of the team......and again you still have to use plenty of guess work as to how often guys will play. If both your 80K players play 20 games and you have a few $30k players doing the same, that effectively leaves the rest of the team on not much more that minimum match payments - (presumably the minimum is around $250 a game?)

160k leftover, divided by 16 players (based on 21 players in a team less two on 80k and less say 3 AFL players getting notional payments of $500 a match = 16 players) = $10k on avaerage per player per season OR $500 a match on average for 16 players per team.

Who'd want to be a Football Operations Manager?

[dash61]

I'll stand corrected BP but I think that's how it works.

Now, the tricky bit starts. As I said, if you have two players on $80k plus allow $40k for notional AFL player payments, that leaves a club with $160K for the rest of the team......and again you still have to use plenty of guess work as to how often guys will play. If both your 80K players play 20 games and you have a few $30k players doing the same, that effectively leaves the rest of the team on not much more that minimum match payments - (presumably the minimum is around $250 a game?)

160k leftover, divided by 16 players (based on 21 players in a team less two on 80k and less say 3 AFL players getting notional payments of $500 a match = 16 players) = $10k on avaerage per player per season OR $500 a match on average for 16 players per team.

Who'd want to be a Football Operations Manager?

I think the nominal payment is only $300 a game

[stillnotout]

Indeed, enjoyed by many

just because your club cant get off it backside and recruit smart stop having a crack at a club that is trying its best to improve and give its supporters the best chance at winning a flag

WELL DONE ROOSTERS GREAT ADMIN GREAT CLUB !!!!

[redandblack]

Very good posts, squawk. A well considered response that points out the difficulties involved, as well as the impossibility of fitting a lot of highly paid players in the cap.

West last year had a lot of potential AFL players, but only got a handful of games from them.

As for stillnotout, I'm not sure that your result last year proved you were all that much smarter.

[dash61]

Indeed, enjoyed by many

just because your club cant get off it backside and recruit smart stop having a crack at a club that is trying its best to improve and give its supporters the best chance at winning a flag

WELL DONE ROOSTERS GREAT ADMIN GREAT CLUB !!!!

Stillnotout

To finish 7th shows that one of SA's richest two clubs recruits well and spends it money wisely, dont mouth of yet, all you need is Ackland and White to go down with knee's in the first 5 rounds and you will be pack to the pack. Im sure your fellow supporters would rather you sit back and watch

[stillnotout]

Indeed, enjoyed by many

just because your club cant get off it backside and recruit smart stop having a crack at a club that is trying its best to improve and give its supporters the best chance at winning a flag

WELL DONE ROOSTERS GREAT ADMIN GREAT CLUB !!!!

Stillnotout

To finish 7th shows that one of SA's richest two clubs recruits well and spends it money wisely, dont mouth of yet, all you need is Ackland and White to go down with knee's in the first 5 rounds and you will be pack to the pack. Im sure your fellow supporters would rather you sit back and watch

Im not going off or saying anything all i am saying is that our club has done a great job to get the players we have got end of story maybe you should just build another cabinet for another wooden spoon !!!!

[stillnotout]

Very good posts, squawk. A well considered response that points out the difficulties involved, as well as the impossibility of fitting a lot of highly paid players in the cap.

West last year had a lot of potential AFL players, but only got a handful of games from them.

As for stillnotout, I'm not sure that your result last year proved you were all that much smarter.

smarter than finishing 9th

[dinglinga]

jeez it must be the off-season

here we go again

your club is a salary cap cheat

no your club is !!!! LOL!!!!

[dash61]

Indeed, enjoyed by many

just because your club cant get off it backside and recruit smart stop having a crack at a club that is trying its best to improve and give its supporters the best chance at winning a flag

WELL DONE ROOSTERS GREAT ADMIN GREAT CLUB !!!!

Without suggesting that your club has twisted the rules any way and Im sure you club is too professional to do that, but maybe your club pays in Euro's, easy mistake to make. 360,000 euro's salary cap , Im sure you have fitted all players in within the rules

[TigerBoss]

Great T-Shirt to sum up this situation.

[dash61]

you cant super impose it on to some football managers and ceo's to see how it fits??????, purely for the fashion sense of course

[drebin]

Geez Dash61 - a few people actually know who you are BTW and to make inferences like you have about Dean Howard and suggesting the SANFL knows North are cheating based on good evidence but choose to do nothing about it is likely to land you well in the shit. God knows why you have this anti North tirade all the time re our recruits etc.

Perhaps you should research just how many Salary Cap enquiries our club has had to endure since the start of 2004? Many of these ewere based on supposed "evidence" from players and complaints from other clubs yet we have yet to be pinged for any breaches!

If you are such a know it all smart arse about what players are getting then why don't you tell us how much Cupido and Ferguson are on - mind you if they were getting big $$$ you could understand because collectively the rest of Wests list would not rate too much re $$$ so no chance of you lot being over the cap.

As for White and Ackland being on $80K each - that is just absurd and for you to post that rubbish is showing a very bitter and jealous side to you.

[dash61]

Dean Howard, have never seen his name mentioned in despatches.

[G]

I was going to say before Drebin beat me to the punch, that you can get set with me about White and Ackland being on that sort of coin. [If I was a gambler that is]

[stillnotout]

Dash61

you really are a jealous man we cant help the fact that your club is going no where if are going to make such bold claims such as player payments you be able to back them up maybe have a look in your own backyard first

might be a bit hard cause there are not to many players at west that should be paid anyway, must be real hard knowing you havent got a chance before the season starts NOW THATS A FACT

[stillnotout]

Great T-Shirt to sum up this situation.

tigerboss who you talking about very big statement

[dash61]

OK All smarties

So some sums for yourself

A top SAAFL player, or a reserves fringe league player can command $500-$1000+ in tthe country leagues

That equates to 20games X $$$ = $10,000-$20000 a season

Marquee players in the Barossa / Gawler are on $500+ a game,

So Player x would join a league club in the SANFL for say $20000 from the AFL

I DONT THINK SO

eg
Cain Ackland
1 Relocation Costs
2 Possible rent assistance
3 Any clearance fees
4 match payments

Peter Street got offered $80,000 by a VFL club and his managers replied, we have had far higher offers than that, not interested

Any Team Supporters, If you were Cain Ackland (good mate of D White), how much would you require to leave Melbourne, come back to Adelaide and play for

Name your figure if you were Cain Ackland and be honest??????

[stillnotout]

OK All smarties

So some sums for yourself

A top SAAFL player, or a reserves fringe league player can command $500-$1000+ in tthe country leagues

That equates to 20games X $$$ = $10,000-$20000 a season

Marquee players in the Barossa / Gawler are on $500+ a game,

So Player x would join a league club in the SANFL for say $20000 from the AFL

I DONT THINK SO

eg
Cain Ackland
1 Relocation Costs
2 Possible rent assistance
3 Any clearance fees
4 match payments

Peter Street got offered $80,000 by a VFL club and his managers replied, we have had far higher offers than that, not interested

Any Team Supporters, If you were Cain Ackland (good mate of D White), how much would you require to leave Melbourne, come back to Adelaide and play for

Name your figure if you were Cain Ackland and be honest??????

you should know just ask Cupido !!!!