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Re: Next years coaches

Postby Sojourner » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:16 am

holden78 wrote:Joffa or pyman would be the go


I felt quite bad about Robert Pyman when I read some of the information about his sacking in the Advertiser.

My mail from the other members at the club was that Pyman was being accused of not communicating enough with the players. Yet then it was openly confirmed in the Kevin Morris report that the players were activley white-anting him with the support of the club.

All this was going on with Robert Pyman whilst he was comming to terms with the fact that his daughter is dying from terminal cancer.

Pyman did well to get South into their first finals appearance in a number of years, I have no doubt he would do quite o.k if given another chance.
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby holden78 » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:19 am

I know robbie well top bloke and a good coach , some of the things iv been told abt happenings down south are a joke .
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby Sojourner » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:32 am

holden78 wrote:I know robbie well top bloke and a good coach , some of the things iv been told abt happenings down south are a joke .


Its a joke alright, yet not even remotley funny in the sense of the word....
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby Pseudo » Tue Jun 10, 2008 11:38 am

Wedgie wrote:I think a few North supporters overrate Brenton Phillips, yes he took Sturt to a flag but Sturt gradually got worse under him.

Phil Carman took Sturt to that flag as much as Phillips. Perhaps Phillips ability was that he could squeeze the best out of a ready-made team. So if North has the cattle, go for Phillips. If not, go for Phil Carman!
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby Adelaide Hawk » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:01 pm

Pseudo wrote:
Wedgie wrote:I think a few North supporters overrate Brenton Phillips, yes he took Sturt to a flag but Sturt gradually got worse under him.

Phil Carman took Sturt to that flag as much as Phillips. Perhaps Phillips ability was that he could squeeze the best out of a ready-made team. So if North has the cattle, go for Phillips. If not, go for Phil Carman!


This is a good point. Bob Hammond took Norwood to 2 flags in 1975 and 1978, but the man who gets little credit (if any) for a successful 10 years (4 flags) from 1975-1984 is Robert Oatey. He coached the club for 6 years and was responsible for recruitment in that time. A lot of our 75 premiership team joined the club while Oatey was coach.

I think Phillips was a lot like Hammond in that he took the Blues to the next step after Carman did the foundation work. Not selling Phillips nor Hammond short, their roles in the premierships were vital, just saying neither of them took a struggling club to top. Both clubs (Norwood 1974) and Sturt (2002) already had strong foundations when those coaches took the helm.
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby Blue Boy » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:04 pm

Pseudo wrote:
Wedgie wrote:I think a few North supporters overrate Brenton Phillips, yes he took Sturt to a flag but Sturt gradually got worse under him.

Phil Carman took Sturt to that flag as much as Phillips. Perhaps Phillips ability was that he could squeeze the best out of a ready-made team. So if North has the cattle, go for Phillips. If not, go for Phil Carman!


Very true about Sticks !!!

He put the icing on top of Phil Carmans work !!!
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby Rushby Hinds » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:18 pm

Adelaide Hawk wrote:
This is a good point. Bob Hammond took Norwood to 2 flags in 1975 and 1978, but the man who gets little credit (if any) for a successful 10 years (4 flags) from 1975-1984 is Robert Oatey. He coached the club for 6 years and was responsible for recruitment in that time. A lot of our 75 premiership team joined the club while Oatey was coach.




He's quite good at patting himself on the back, doesn't need anyone else to help him.
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby Cambridge Clarrie » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:21 pm

No doubt Sturt had a strong foundation that we can thank Carman for, however if he'd remained at the helm in 02, I understand a number of key players would not have been there.

An not to sell Phillips short, but I reckon the individual efforts of Barnaby French had a big say in our winning that years flag...

Didn't Sticks leave Sturt for a reason? Business interests competing for his time I think? Would this have changed to such an extent that he'd entertain the thought of coaching an SANFL side again?
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby doggies4eva » Tue Jun 10, 2008 3:26 pm

Adelaide Hawk wrote:
Pseudo wrote:
Wedgie wrote:I think a few North supporters overrate Brenton Phillips, yes he took Sturt to a flag but Sturt gradually got worse under him.

Phil Carman took Sturt to that flag as much as Phillips. Perhaps Phillips ability was that he could squeeze the best out of a ready-made team. So if North has the cattle, go for Phillips. If not, go for Phil Carman!


This is a good point. Bob Hammond took Norwood to 2 flags in 1975 and 1978, but the man who gets little credit (if any) for a successful 10 years (4 flags) from 1975-1984 is Robert Oatey. He coached the club for 6 years and was responsible for recruitment in that time. A lot of our 75 premiership team joined the club while Oatey was coach.

I think Phillips was a lot like Hammond in that he took the Blues to the next step after Carman did the foundation work. Not selling Phillips nor Hammond short, their roles in the premierships were vital, just saying neither of them took a struggling club to top. Both clubs (Norwood 1974) and Sturt (2002) already had strong foundations when those coaches took the helm.


Good point. I regard Alan Stewart in the same way for the doggies - the foundations that he laid turned the club around. Mind you Roy Laird is an excellent coach and the reason that we have remained a force.
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby SDK » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:25 pm

As was Jona and ClarKson.
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby wedgetail » Tue Jun 10, 2008 8:48 pm

If Fuller is going to get the axe, the Eags should move heaven and earth to get Paul Hamilton back ala Mickan at the Bays. I think Hamilton's chance of being a senior coach in the AFL are slim and he may want to run his own show again.
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby Aerie » Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:42 pm

Is Luke Norman a candidate for a senior coaching role? Does he have what it takes? Has served a good apprenticeship under Fuller in a premiership year and now MacGowan for two years.

I wouldn't mind Pyman at the Eagles. Very sad about his daughter, if memory serves me correctly it was an issue when he played his last year at the Eags.

Jeffries seems very animated at quarter and 3 quarter time huddles, but would wonder if he has much of an effect.

It's hard to tell with Rogers. His seconds have struggled for the one and a half years he's had, but they've also struggled for player depth. Have always thought his comments on ABC were spot on and he'd have an excellent football brain. Would expect the Eagles got him as reserves coach a couple of years ago to succeed Fuller when he calls it a day.

Could Colville step straight in to the coaching caper?
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby topsywaldron » Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:47 pm

Aerie wrote:Jeffries seems very animated at quarter and 3 quarter time huddles, but would wonder if he has much of an effect.


So much like his playing career then.
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby topsywaldron » Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:53 pm

Hill will be very lucky to be coaching Norwood next year. Far too many atrocious performances have occurred under his tutelage for even the Norwood board to be comfortable. The only thing that might save him is they won't want to sack someone they appointed and then reappointed three weeks after a 158 point loss as they might actually get held accountable.
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby Rucciangelo » Tue Jun 10, 2008 9:59 pm

So who's next for Norwood then?
I think SturtPeter would be an excellent choice! :wink:
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby eaglehaslanded » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:41 pm

Port - Could Jack get yet another crack at the helm of the Magpies.
South - Jason Torney might be an option there.
Eagles - If current poor performances persist could the Eagles be temepted to look elsewhere maybe R.Pyman or W.Weidemann.
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby eaglehaslanded » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:44 pm

drebin wrote:
Cambridge Clarrie wrote:Let's not forget Jars got a team into a GF last season. If he's lost the support of players (and I have no idea if he has or hasn't) then that would be the only reason I could see him going.

How many years has he been at North now?


He has coached North for 5 years and had to be talked into this year (with some more $$$ thrown at him). Tiller would be the ideal replacement if we can't lure Ben Hart back.

Has he lost the players??? Did you see today's game??? There's the answer.


Ben Hart at Prosect seems the logical choice provided you could offr him enough money to contemplate leaving West Lakes.
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby eaglehaslanded » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:45 pm

schimma wrote:Andrew rogers would be an option at the Eagles


He can't coach at reserves level - this would be a huge mistake. Although Roo is a club stalwart a fantastic player in his day Ijust don't believe he has what it takes as a coach of senior level.
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby redden whites » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:48 pm

eaglehaslanded wrote: W.Weidemann.

:shock: :lol:
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Re: Next years coaches

Postby arcadefire » Tue Jun 10, 2008 10:49 pm

The best option for the Eagles would have to be Pyman. Fuller better not be there next year.
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