100m Football Park Upgrade

[Big Phil]

WHO BLOODY CARES ABOUT THAT FRIGGIN' CRAP !!!

Barring the AFL Grand Final, give me the local, close to the action, exciting, fast paced SANFL competition any day...

The rest of that rubbish is boring and dumb...

GO U DOGGIES...

Big Phil...

Yeah but our underlying issue is how good the stadium is that the SANFL Grand Final is played in!

EXACTLY.....

So stop discussing stupid reality television shows and boring games of cricket...

Big Phil...

[Wedgie]

WHO BLOODY CARES ABOUT THAT FRIGGIN' CRAP !!!

Barring the AFL Grand Final, give me the local, close to the action, exciting, fast paced SANFL competition any day...

The rest of that rubbish is boring and dumb...

GO U DOGGIES...

Big Phil...

Yeah but our underlying issue is how good the stadium is that the SANFL Grand Final is played in!

EXACTLY.....

So stop discussing stupid reality television shows and boring games of cricket...

Big Phil...

It's Friday night etiquette to talk lots of rubbish here.

[pipers]

2. Olympic Games: opening ceremony 127 million
3. Olympic Games: closing ceremony 96 million

The other thing that this suggests is that people would rather watch inflatable bike-riding echidnas and 20,000 schoolkids dressed up like Peter Allen run around alongside a bunch of cross-dressers in Priscilla gowns on stilts than watch the actual Olympic events themselves...

And if that doesn't just sum up everything that is wrong with the Olympics then I dunno what does...

[magpie in the 80's]

2. Olympic Games: opening ceremony 127 million
3. Olympic Games: closing ceremony 96 million

The other thing that this suggests is that people would rather watch inflatable bike-riding echidnas and 20,000 schoolkids dressed up like Peter Allen run around alongside a bunch of cross-dressers in Priscilla gowns on stilts than watch the actual Olympic events themselves...

And if that doesn't just sum up everything that is wrong with the Olympics then I dunno what does...

you are reffering to the halftime entertainment at the s.a.n.f.l. grand final in our new 100M dollar updated stadium here fatty

[pipers]

btw, on the Olympics, did you hear that when Geoge Bush got an invite to the Greco-Roman wrestling at the Sydney games he declined to attend. By way of explanation a Whitehouse spokeperson said, "It is not America's role to sort out Europe's conflicts. However he does send a message of support to the people of Greece and Italy and hopes for a speedy and peaceful resolultion of their differences"

[pipers]

you are reffering to the halftime entertainment at the s.a.n.f.l. grand final in our new 100M dollar updated stadium here fatty

Only if the SANFL is stupid enough to let Ric Birch run it...

[Big Phil]

It's Friday night etiquette to talk lots of rubbish here.

Fairy Nuff...

So how do you find the service provided by your local council when it comes to waste management...

Big Phil...

[magpie in the 80's]

It's Friday night etiquette to talk lots of rubbish here.

Fairy Nuff...

So how do you find the service provided by your local council when it comes to waste management...

Big Phil...

not as good as the one allocated to take the crap away from the 100M upgrade at westlakes

[CUTTERMAN]

I'm continually flabbergasted, (wonder where that word came from) on peoples perception of this issue, there's such a frenzy and divide of opinion, anyone would think we're sabre rattling about to go to war. I don't mind FP, it's a bit run down but structually it's fine, traffic can be a problem at times but it's only, what 8-10kms from the city, big deal, get over it. Once it's upgraded it'll be great, alot more comfortable, easier to access the facilities and more accomodating. It's a happy meduim. Remember, "You can't always get what you want..but if you try sometimes, you just might find you get what you need." Smart man that Jagger
A new stadium would be great, but without a stupid argument with flacid statements, can someone answer these 3 questions, preferably the state liberal party.

1- where is it going to be built that doesn't affect the local community or lobby groups eg parklands.

2- who is going to foot the 1.5b - 1.8b bill for this field of dreams.
Half the people that don't want the upgrade of FP think the money can be better used elsewhere, and that is a great point, so what about the enormous amount for a new bloody stadium.

3- remembering that the SANFL totally own and control FP why would they relenquish such a well planned, hard fought position to some public/private consortium.
Has anyone thought of the ramifications of such events on the SANFL and the sustainability of our beloved local comp. I can see that it would finally put it to the sword and leave it for a controlling takeover by the AFL. It's the ownership of FP by the SANFL that has fed alot of money back to the local comp. and community and people just want to throw that away???

The MCG is a great staduim as most would agree, this has been re-developed numerous times to be what it is today there is nothing to say that FP can't be re-developed to serve the same purposes, so can all those half-wits who suggest that FP is past it's useby date tell me where the fu=#ing label is that says this, it's a stadium not fresh chicken! And does this mean that a new stadium in the city will have to be knocked down in 30 years because it's turned green and is past it's useby date? And what about Adelaide Oval, surely we should knock that down, not put more money into it cause it's past it's useby date. FFS talk about mental pygmies.
Well done to the SANFL, well done to the state Govt and well done to all involved in keeping the SANFL strong and independent.

[Wedgie]

The MCG is a great staduim as most would agree, this has been re-developed numerous times to be what it is today there is nothing to say that FP can't be re-developed to serve the same purposes,

Will never happen, they'd have to completely demolish at least half of the ground and current ammeneties at a time like they did the MCG but unlike Victoria there's no alternative venues here so it will never happen.
Expense would be more than building a new stadium.

[Hondo]

A new stadium would be great, but without a stupid argument with flacid statements, can someone answer these 3 questions, preferably the state liberal party.

1- where is it going to be built that doesn't affect the local community or lobby groups eg parklands.

2- who is going to foot the 1.5b - 1.8b bill for this field of dreams.

3- remembering that the SANFL totally own and control FP why would they relenquish such a well planned, hard fought position to some public/private consortium.

It should be the LAW that anyone who sprukes the new stadium concept MUST answer these 3 questions. Martin H-S ducks and weaves when he gets asked them ... and then changes the subject back to how great it would be. Mate, we agree with you (!) just answer the questions

It's my "I'd love a Mercedes" theory.

[Wedgie]

1) stuff lobby groups, etc
2) wouldn't cost close to that, could even have some left over to service areas that actually need improved public transport.
3) give the SANFL ownership in it for the cost of what West Lakes is sold for.

Simple. I should lead the state.

[therisingblues]

1) stuff lobby groups, etc

Hands off the parklands dude. The only reason they are there is because others had the good sense not to fill them with their needless toys.

[Dirko]

Hands off the parklands dude. The only reason they are there is because others had the good sense not to fill them with their needless toys.

Actually the only reason they are there was Col Light thought they'd be a good defence mechanism against the possible invading hoards....

[CUTTERMAN]

Wedgie, I'm not saying that FP should or can be an MCG, it never will and doesn't need to be, what I was saying is that there is no reason that FP can't be developed to serve the SA footy public to the same standards that the G does, I used it as a comparitive example, as could Adelaide Oval with the development that is to happen there, which is a development to suit the needs of the public that will attend, keeping in mind the sense of history and beauty that should be retained.

1) stuff lobby groups, etc
easy to say but it didn't help Vic Pk
2) wouldn't cost close to that, could even have some left over to service areas that actually need improved public transport.
As far as the cost, well that will be proven when WA finishes their new stadium, it had a forecast starting cost of about 1.1b and has since blown out to 1.4b/1.5b, by the time SA got everything in order to start construction on this mythical stadium and to the 1st game to be played I'd bet that the costs had blown out way beyond 1.5b.
3) give the SANFL ownership in it for the cost of what West Lakes is sold for.
The return from West Lakes wouldn't come close to the cost of the stadium and this all sounds great but who is going to pay for it to be built, what is the public going to say when it's handed over to a private organisation being the SANFL, and what do the SANFL have to give up for all this to happen.
I'll take the devil I know and a strong independent SANFL.

[therisingblues]

Hands off the parklands dude. The only reason they are there is because others had the good sense not to fill them with their needless toys.

Actually the only reason they are there was Col Light thought they'd be a good defence mechanism against the possible invading hoards armed with their needless sports stadiums, convention centers, high rise appartments, nursing homes and everything else that those hoards believe will go very nicely indeed in that big green space.

[Dirko]

Hands off the parklands dude. The only reason they are there is because others had the good sense not to fill them with their needless toys.

Actually the only reason they are there was Col Light thought they'd be a good defence mechanism against the possible invading hoards armed with their needless sports stadiums, convention centers, high rise appartments, nursing homes and everything else that those hoards believe will go very nicely indeed in that big green space.

Considering that the stadium was earmarked to be built over train yards it's a non issue anyway....

[CUTTERMAN]

It seems that that has worked well for Telstra Dome and the playing surface. What is it, 1m of soil over concrete?

[therisingblues]

Hands off the parklands dude. The only reason they are there is because others had the good sense not to fill them with their needless toys.

Actually the only reason they are there was Col Light thought they'd be a good defence mechanism against the possible invading hoards armed with their needless sports stadiums, convention centers, high rise appartments, nursing homes and everything else that those hoards believe will go very nicely indeed in that big green space.

Considering that the stadium was earmarked to be built over train yards it's a non issue anyway....

Really? If they built them on the train yards without impacting on the Parklands too much I wouldn't mind.
But I'd still be wary of them just using that as a line to get their foot in the door, then changing their tune once they have gained ground in the negotiations and going for the cheaper option of building them over the parklands.
Obviously there's been news that I haven't heard about. So excuse my asking but, where would the car park be if they did build it over the train yards?

[Hondo]

Theri, the Libs want to build it where our new hospital is meant to be going

They want to re-develop the RAH instead of build a new hospital - leaving the new site free for the new Sporting stadium. Altho even his own documents acknowledge the problems of SANFL ownership and the cost. He admits the SANFL would need to have practical ownership and that it's main use must be for AFL. Yet, neither the SANFL or AFL want any part of it so it's not rocket science ( ) to work out where this idea will end up.

It's part of Hamilton-Smith's "Master Plan for Adelaide" ..... note it does not save the park-lands, these are earmarked for a range of other new projects so I doubt you will approve

http://www.martin2010.com.au/Articles/downloads/MasterPlanpolicyfinal.pdf